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Okay, what traits or attributes does a dumb person have?
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Sep 27, 2017 12:13
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Nition posted:The problem with a benevelent computer dictatorship is that the real dictator is whoever owns the computer. 
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Sep 27, 2017 12:17
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klen dool posted:Okay, what traits or attributes does a dumb person have? They have more difficulty than the average person figuring things out for themselves or understanding things when they are explained e: I also agree with you that better education/information about how our voting system works and what parties stand for would be a good thing, it's not just a matter of dumb people gonna dumb. There are plenty of average/smart people who would make better decisions if they were better informed. Dumb people exist though and all the education and information in the world won't help some of them Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Sep 27, 2017 12:22
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People aren't dumb. They're just monstrously selfish and uncaring and when you combine this with the oh-so-popular notion that success in life is proportionate to how hard you work/how much effort you put in, dusted with some mild racism, you get most national voters. Most of them also can't really be bothered verifying anything anyone says so they form their not-particularly-clear views based on snippets of the media vortex which is why blatant lies and disinformation win elections.
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Sep 27, 2017 19:56
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Sep 27, 2017 19:58
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poo poo, that all seems reasonable.
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Sep 27, 2017 20:30
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One of the things that surprised me as an adult was very few people are truly dumb if you engage them on something that they care about. Wilful ignorance and self-centeredness are what gives you the impression of stupidity. When I voted, I heard the lady next to me saying "Oh my god, there's so many names! Which ones should I go for!" while a slightly flustered electoral worker told he that he can't advise her on who to vote for. But if you talked to this lady in her first language about something she cared about, she'd probably be intelligent enough. So I don't know where I'm going with this other than to say that it's only people in aggregate that can be dumb and an election is the worst of the lot as many people who care not a jot for the braying thrusters of politics vote on name recognition or habit.
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Sep 27, 2017 21:30
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I wonder how much the results in one area would change if you changed the party and candidate order. In my electorate National was at the top and National won (not to say that means anything on its own). I think it's based on alphabetical order of the surname of the candidates? IMO the order should probably be randomized to cover for the "I don't know who to vote for!" people.
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Sep 27, 2017 21:40
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I used to think other people were dumb but actually it turns out I'm just dumb makes u think
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Sep 27, 2017 21:42
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Nition posted:I wonder how much the results in one area would change if you changed the party and candidate order. In my electorate National was at the top and National won (not to say that means anything on its own). I think it's based on alphabetical order of the surname of the candidates? IMO the order should probably be randomized to cover for the "I don't know who to vote for!" people. I was under the impression that the ballots are randomised in batches of <made up number here>
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Sep 27, 2017 22:11
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Okay, so dumb people are dumb because their worldview prevents them from having compassion and they refuse to entertain the possibility that their worldview is wrong because they see their worldview as intrinsic to themselves and if their worldview is wrong then THEY themselves are wrong. I am happy to be wrong, but it still hurts psychologically to have my worldview challenged and to change it. Maybe we are all a little dumb.
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Sep 27, 2017 22:15
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All campaigning and media reporting on the election should be banned, with all information on policy to be submitted to a neutral, independent group. This group will provide all information to the voting public and verify any claims and projections made by each party. No candidate shall be permitted to engage with the public outside of events and debates organised by the information group. This will hopefully eliminate misleading information, media bias etc and make sure every voter is well informed and able to make a reasonable decision based on the facts.
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Sep 27, 2017 22:22
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It's almost as if intelligence is a multifaceted concept?
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Sep 27, 2017 23:19
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Wandle Cax posted:All campaigning and media reporting on the election should be banned, with all information on policy to be submitted to a neutral, independent group. This group will provide all information to the voting public and verify any claims and projections made by each party. No candidate shall be permitted to engage with the public outside of events and debates organised by the information group. This will hopefully eliminate misleading information, media bias etc and make sure every voter is well informed and able to make a reasonable decision based on the facts. This, but only if I get to select the group and decide what information is correct and what is misleading.
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Sep 27, 2017 23:44
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klen dool posted:I was under the impression that the ballots are randomised in batches of <made up number here> Ah, maybe they are? Myself and someone else compared our party list order and they were the same (or at least the first five were), but we voted at the same place at much the same time. Then another person told me it was based on candidate surname.
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Sep 28, 2017 00:21
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bike tory posted:This is the most DND thing I've ever read I was always under the impression that D&D was of the mind that there was such a thing as a perfect society, provided everyone did exactly as the poster specified with no deviation. And the poster was at the helm of the social change. And people were really cherubs who had been mislead by Slavvy posted:People aren't dumb. They're just monstrously selfish and uncaring Are you an engineer? Because that's kinda the most redundant thing I've ever seen constructed.
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Sep 28, 2017 05:00
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WarpedNaba posted:I was always under the impression that D&D was of the mind that there was such a thing as a perfect society, provided everyone did exactly as the poster specified with no deviation. Redundant in what way?
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Sep 28, 2017 05:12
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Being utterly selfish and uncaring is kinda the definition of dumb, seeing as fetid sociopaths either end up crunched by society or If you're going to be a sociopath, at least extend your self-preservation plans out longer than the next five seconds.
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Sep 28, 2017 05:21
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Nition posted:Ah, maybe they are? Myself and someone else compared our party list order and they were the same (or at least the first five were), but we voted at the same place at much the same time. Then another person told me it was based on candidate surname. After an exhaustive (lazy) search, I cannot find where I read that. But I choose to go on in life believing it anyways.
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Sep 28, 2017 06:35
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The greens were at the top of my paper, and their candidate was first alphabetically
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Sep 28, 2017 06:43
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Also if you look at the results on the official page the candidates are listed alphabetically, and from memory this was the same order as on my voting form so i'm concluding with 85% certainty that the parties are listed by order of their candidate name on every form
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Sep 28, 2017 07:01
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Wandle Cax posted:Also if you look at the results on the official page the candidates are listed alphabetically, and from memory this was the same order as on my voting form so i'm concluding with 85% certainty that the parties are listed by order of their candidate name on every form As far as I can remember, it's this, and then parties without a candidate in the seat are randomised after that
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Sep 28, 2017 07:47
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Sep 28, 2017 09:16
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I lol'd
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Sep 28, 2017 10:39
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couple of good spinoff articles anti-immigrant rhetoric (maybe) hosed labour in auckland and Danyl on the greens quote:They also got lucky with TOP, Gareth Morgan’s attempt at a centrist environmental and economic reform party. Happily Morgan approached politics like a true economist: he assumed he possessed total mastery of a field in which he was completely ignorant, wasted an enormous amount of time, energy and money, and accomplished nothing while learning nothing.
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Sep 30, 2017 01:40
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That Danyl Mclauchlan one is more like a blog post about his experience (kinda) working for the Greens than it is an article about how the Greens made it over 5%. It's not a bad article but still
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Sep 30, 2017 10:11
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 glad this old gently caress has shown his true colours again, after everybody fell in love after his 9th floor interview
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Oct 1, 2017 02:17
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Also a bunch of columns about how labour is better off not in government than working with nzf.
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Oct 1, 2017 05:48
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Well on the 9th Floor he was saying all the right things. Especially when compared to leader Jenny Shipley, who is a leader of people, and leads, because she is a leader.
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Oct 1, 2017 06:02
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Slavvy posted:Also a bunch of columns about how labour is better off not in government than working with nzf. LOL. Labour needs to be in power to have a shot to implementing their policies. Winston's dog whistles are worse than his bite. I am sure he is salivating to school Jacinda to stroke his real or imagined superiority.
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Oct 1, 2017 06:06
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The Rabbi T. White posted:Well on the 9th Floor he was saying all the right things. Especially when compared to leader Jenny Shipley, who is a leader of people, and leads, because she is a leader. She was the only honest one tbh
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Oct 1, 2017 07:12
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oohhboy posted:LOL. Labour needs to be in power to have a shot to implementing their policies. Winston's dog whistles are worse than his bite. I am sure he is salivating to school Jacinda to stroke his real or imagined superiority. I was wondering that, he's played the racist policies whistle every election without fail, what has he done to put them into practice when he had power? My feeling is 'gently caress all', but i could well be missing something.
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Oct 1, 2017 07:35
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the 96 coalition agreement led to thisquote:On 30 June 1998 the Minister of Immigration announced that the number of countries whose citizens require transit visas when passing through New Zealand was to increase from 24 to 70. The measure was said to be “to manage risks and to clamp down on refugee scams”.59 The Immigration (Transit Visas) Regulations 1998 implemented this decision.60 Dramatically, on 21 October 1998 citizens of Indonesia lost their right of visa-free entry to New Zealand and found themselves in the position of requiring even a transit visa to pass through New Zealand.61 These changes were made to prevent Indonesians of Chinese ethnicity from seeking refugee status in New Zealand in the aftermath of the violence, and in particular the anti-Chinese violence, which occurred on May 13-15, 1998, particularly in Java.62 In announcing the changes, the Minister of Immigration said that there had been over 300 refugee applications in the past four months from Indonesian nationals. This, he said, was “a very serious trend” and that by suspending the visa-free status for Indonesian nationals, New Zealand was better placed to “manage the risk of people seeking refugee status” upon arrival in New Zealand.63 Following the massive refugee crisis caused by the outflow of Kosovar refugees into Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro, the New Zealand Government moved quickly to prevent the spontaneous arrival of such refugees in New Zealand. On 1 July 1999 the Immigration (Transit Visas) Regulations 1999 came into force.64 In addition to revoking and replacing the 1998 Regulations, these Regulations added citizens of Albania, Macedonia, Yemen and Yugoslavia to the list of persons who require transit visas. The New Zealand Government did agree, however, to offer permanent refuge to 200 Kosovar Albanian families with family ties in New Zealand.65
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Oct 1, 2017 09:04
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Slavvy posted:Also a bunch of columns about how labour is better off not in government than working with nzf. A friend of mine writes for the Herald, and she said it's just a case of writing opinion pieces just to fill column inches. It must suck being in the politics section, due to being in limbo.
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Oct 1, 2017 20:40
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Did you suggest they find writers without poo poo opinions?
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Oct 1, 2017 21:14
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looking increasingly likely that Peters will go with national imo
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Oct 2, 2017 01:36
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If only there were political events elsewhere in the world while literally no political news is happening in NZ
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Oct 2, 2017 01:42
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exmarx posted:looking increasingly likely that Peters will go with national imo how come? not that i disagree, but what makes you think so?
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Oct 2, 2017 01:59
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If English doesn't get Peters he may as well pack up everything, write his valedictory speech and go home. If Jacinda doesn't she can spend the next three years knocking them down.
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sebmojo posted:how come? not that i disagree, but what makes you think so? Yeah there's been a lot of meaningless comment and speculation in support of both sides. None of it, along with anything he says himself means anything at all as to what he'll decide
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