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C2C - 2.0 posted:Share with me your tips for getting a turkey close enough that you could kick it. Be not hunting them, but rather trying to drat drive in a wooded area.
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Back when I worked for the public defender we had one coherent class of case I took up real often, people charged with falsely reporting they wrw eligible to buy guns from brick and mortar stores. Now the state had no law requiring this paperwork at either gun shows or for person to person transactions, only for brick and mortar stores. All of those clients were not guilty. None had the intent to deceive. If they did, they'd just but from a dude online or at one of the endless state gun shows. These were all people trying to comply with the law. The people not trying to comply, didn't see them at the orvis.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:14
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stone cold posted:yes, this a real thing somebody has said itt What do you think that "assault weapons" are An AR-15 and a 308 hunting rifle fire the same bullet in the same way, but one is going to shoot up a school and the other one is totally cool because your grandpa has one.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:14
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Gun tax. $500 per year per gun. $150 billion per year can go towards nationalized single payer mental health care or gun buybacks for smelting (take your loving pick). There, I fixed it.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:15
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skylined! posted:i think the inference is that guns, like all mechanical devices, break down with time. how many cars from the 80s are still around? same idea. My point is how are you even going to get all the guns? How do you plan on reimbursing firearm owners for their firearms? No reimbursement? How do you deal with gun owners who have all their guns in a Trust?
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Oct 2, 2017 19:15
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NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS POLICY!!
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Oct 2, 2017 19:16
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theflyingorc posted:Be not hunting them, but rather trying to drat drive in a wooded area. I've got woods on my property, and it is lousy with a cadre of turkeys. I don't own a gun so I can't shoot them, but it's been very tempting to chase those scrote-looking motherfuckers down with a wood axe.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:16
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pkay posted:My point is how are you even going to get all the guns? How do you plan on reimbursing firearm owners for their firearms? No reimbursement? How do you deal with gun owners who have all their guns in a Trust? It doesn't have to happen all at once. I'm sure if we do this for 50 years then we can get most of them.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:16
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Endorph posted:what if you build a really lovely house and then encourage people to move into it and then it collapses if only we could figure out a way to regulate this from happening some sort of....code for buildings? i dunno this seems too hard, please help my family is dying
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Oct 2, 2017 19:16
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Dietrich posted:Gun tax. $500 per year per gun. $150 billion per year can go towards nationalized single payer mental health care.  holy poo poo can you imagine if something like this were instituted?
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Oct 2, 2017 19:16
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pkay posted:My point is how are you even going to get all the guns? How do you plan on reimbursing firearm owners for their firearms? No reimbursement? How do you deal with gun owners who have all their guns in a Trust? Australia managed to work it out. It's a solved problem.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:17
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pkay posted:My point was that a gun is basically a hammer and a nail. Also an incredibly stupid point. Making it very difficult to obtain the most efficiently lethal and/or concealable weapons is just common sense. We are the only developed nation that hasn't figured this out because dipshit rednecks are married to the obsolete ideal of the citizen soldier fighting off the british. It's so loving insane it makes my head hurt.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:17
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I'm afraid these guns....have diplomatic immunity.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:17
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skylined! posted:i think the inference is that guns, like all mechanical devices, break down with time. how many cars from the 80s are still around? same idea. Guns can last pretty much forever if you take care of them.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:18
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Fart City posted:I've got woods on my property, and it is lousy with a cadre of turkeys. I don't own a gun so I can't shoot them, but it's been very tempting to chase those scrote-looking motherfuckers down with a wood axe. I will work your land for the opportunity to hunt them (with a bow) from a ground blind. I'm only half-kidding.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:18
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Dietrich posted:Gun tax. $500 per year per gun. $150 billion per year can go towards nationalized single payer mental health care. Pittman-Robertson puts an excise tax on guns decades ago, and the revenue is used for wildlife conservation purposes. It's been hugely successful. I support more gun taxes for more good things. Fitzy Fitz fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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Oct 2, 2017 19:18
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I think there is something to be said for the argument that our gun laws tend to focus way too much on peripherals and arbitrary classes of guns, largely because they're a lot easier to legislate around. That also means that gun nuts can point to those laws and show that they aren't reducing the gun violence. That argument isn't actually a good one against gun control legislation in general, of course.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:18
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The hosed up thing is I've been doing some research, and it turns out that not only is Mandalay Bay not even close to a bay, it's right in the middle of a loving desert.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:19
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It's interesting just how worked in American exceptionalism is. There are literally dozens of countries with successful gun legislation to draw inspiration from, and yet every time it comes up you still have people asking "but how would you ever implement gun control? The problem is intractable"
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Oct 2, 2017 19:20
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pkay posted:My point is how are you even going to get all the guns? How do you plan on reimbursing firearm owners for their firearms? No reimbursement? How do you deal with gun owners who have all their guns in a Trust? For one thing, just stopping the flow of new guns into the ecosystem would have a major effect in just a few years. The average street life of an illegally-owned gun is only 2 years. Cut off the supply and keep up current rates of confiscation (plus throw in some generous reimbursement programs) and the amount of guns out there will quickly do won. I'm genuinely confused why the gun control debate focuses on the thorny subject of taking away citizens' guns, rather than the easier and lower-hanging fruit of neutering the industry that's pumping these loving things out. 2nd Amendment doesn't say poo poo about the right to manufacture or sell guns.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Push El Burrito posted:The hosed up thing is I've been doing some research, and it turns out that not only is Mandalay Bay not even close to a bay, it's right in the middle of a loving desert.  HappyHippo posted:It's interesting just how worked in American exceptionalism is. There are literally dozens of countries with successful gun legislation to draw inspiration from, and yet every time it comes up you still have people asking "but how would you ever implement gun control? The problem is intractable" It's almost as though an entire industry is spending millions upon millions of dollars a year clouding the issue while we just passed an estimated 112 guns per 100 citizens in this country and stock prices are freaking soaring.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Dietrich posted:Gun tax. $500 per year per gun. $150 billion per year can go towards nationalized single payer mental health care or gun buybacks for smelting (take your loving pick). That would be great. And people would still pay it because hoarders have no issue paying thousands of dollars for guns they are going to bury in the ground.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Right on Cue the WH says "Now is not the time to debate gun control."
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Dietrich posted:Gun tax. $500 per year per gun. $150 billion per year can go towards nationalized single payer mental health care or gun buybacks for smelting (take your loving pick). I'm actually not against this...because those who could afford that and go through buying a gun would have to be avid and intentional enough to not gently caress their right away. The average yokel doesn't love guns enough to take on that kind of cost. And it's about the only way I can think of that a gun could actually lead to more lives being saved.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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skylined! posted:i think the inference is that guns, like all mechanical devices, break down with time. how many cars from the 80s are still around? same idea. if you wanted to pass a "gun ban", you would pair a mandatory gun buyback at fair market value with penalties for gun possession that were harsh and basically strict liability, along with a ban on the purchase/sale/transfer of guns and ammo you wouldn't want to just rely on mechanical deterioration, you'd need to get rid of them and make it a very bad idea to evade that. now there are naturally massive political issues with that and, in america, federalism/federal power issues, but those are a separate question.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Deteriorata posted:Australia managed to work it out. It's a solved problem. uhhhhh No, it isn't. There are significant cultural differences and a mishmash government structure here. I'm also pretty sure that the populated area of Australia is much lower than the US? Maybe I'm wrong here, but we have huge amounts of somewhat sparsely populated land, whereas they have huge amounts of "nobody lives here at all in any capacity" land, so I THINK that covering 99% of our population is a much greater effort. If I'm wrong about that, someone correct me. I don't know how to confirm that. edit: As I have to make sure I say every time - I'm for a gun ban. But let's not pretend that a gun harvest wouldn't be ugly here.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:21
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I think there is something to be said for the argument that our gun laws tend to focus way too much on peripherals and arbitrary classes of guns, largely because they're a lot easier to legislate around. That also means that gun nuts can point to those laws and show that they aren't reducing the gun violence. That argument isn't actually a good one against gun control legislation in general, of course. Which is why we need to start advocating for a repeal of the 2nd. Yes, the gun nuts will howl. If you want to change the debate, though, you need to change the debate. Put them on the defensive. Stop nibbling at the corners and go to the heart of the issue. Once the 2nd is gone, the rest is easy.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:22
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Speaking of guns, remember when our president encouraged us to shoot Muslims with bullets dipped in pig's blood?
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Oct 2, 2017 19:22
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DreamShipWrecked posted:That would be great. And people would still pay it because hoarders have no issue paying thousands of dollars for guns they are going to bury in the ground. uh hoarders would scream "gun registry!!!!" and refuse to comply with anything that required the government having a record of their arsenal
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Oct 2, 2017 19:22
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LeeMajors posted:Also an incredibly stupid point. So in this whole equation you think that making it very difficult to obtain the easiest part to manufacture is common sense? How about making the hardest part of the processes to reproduce (smokeless powder) more difficult to obtain. Like I said before, Joe Dirt can make a makeshift gun. Joe Dirt cannot manufacture smokeless powder without blowing himself the gently caress up.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:23
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DreamShipWrecked posted:What do you think that "assault weapons" are i didn't know your grandpa's bolt action hunting rifle was also semi-automatic have you considered learning about the different types of gun actions, you don't seem to be good at guns
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Oct 2, 2017 19:23
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Ammo isn't protected by the constitution Bing bong so simple 
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Oct 2, 2017 19:23
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evilweasel posted:uh hoarders would scream "gun registry!!!!" and refuse to comply with anything that required the government having a record of their arsenal If it turns gun hoarders into criminals then it's a good law.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:24
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pkay posted:My point is how are you even going to get all the guns? How do you plan on reimbursing firearm owners for their firearms? No reimbursement? How do you deal with gun owners who have all their guns in a Trust? simply stopping the sale of guns and ammo would do enough to have the grandchildren of today's america build statues for the amount of violence it would eliminate. you don't have to Collect All Guns to diminish gun violence holy poo poo. the guns in currently owned by all people will disappear with time. CubanMissile posted:Guns can last pretty much forever if you take care of them. yes so can most things. this mindblowing fact brought to you by poster CubanMissile does nothing to erode the argument, so i guess you are playing forums trivia and just got a bingo? 
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Oct 2, 2017 19:24
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I have to wonder how many of the "Come and get 'em" types are completely full of poo poo. Like hypothetically the sheriff shows up to (now legally) confiscate your guns. You've got your wife and two kids in the house. Do you doom them all in a shoot out or do you just hand over your loving guns and live your life where you can still bitch about it online?
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Oct 2, 2017 19:24
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Beastie posted:I have to wonder how many of the "Come and get 'em" types are completely full of poo poo. Most, but not enough.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:25
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theflyingorc posted:uhhhhh there are several problems getting mixed up here and it's usually key to separate out political problem (i.e. how do you manage to get the law passed), US-centric federalism problems (i.e. what regulations can, legally, be made by the federal government and what can only be done by a state, this is relatively unique to the US compared to other countries), and finally the nuts and bolts problems (i.e. what is the actual content of the regulations you want to pass and how do they work). when people are not clear about which problems they're talking about people usually are talking past each other. the third issue is what Australia effectively solved, but to replicate it in the US you would have problems one and two.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:26
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theflyingorc posted:uhhhhh Lots of necessary things are ugly. Failing to act is positively hideous.
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Oct 2, 2017 19:26
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Trump is going to invade North Korea to avoid a gun control debate.
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pkay posted:So in this whole equation you think that making it very difficult to obtain the easiest part to manufacture is common sense? How about making the hardest part of the processes to reproduce (smokeless powder) more difficult to obtain. Like I said before, Joe Dirt can make a makeshift gun. Joe Dirt cannot manufacture smokeless powder without blowing himself the gently caress up. once joe dirtbag is reduced to using zip guns with self-made ammo we can start solving that problem, but solving it now is sort of putting the cart before the ancestor of the horse species that, in a few million years, will evolve into a horse
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