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bradzilla posted:
and we're the ones that survived. think how dumb a lot of the retard mutant variants that we've replaced must've been (except neanderthals and denosivans who apparently might have been significantly smarter than us - theory: they discovered social justice millennia ahead of schedule, meaning they were discussing whether a cave painting of tits was problematic when cro magnons rolled in and clubbed them to death)
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The Human Body is a Piece of poo poo
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humans are really great at making enough kids that some reach sexual maturity and make yet more kids. anything that happens to a human body afterward has no bearing on evolution. humans: literal gently caress machines
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Oct 2, 2017 23:13
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:humans are really great at making enough kids that some reach sexual maturity and make yet more kids. anything that happens to a human body afterward has no bearing on evolution. yeah. to clarify, that we survived doesn't mean we were the best at anything other than having passed on our genes - i won't even say the best at passing on our genes in an general sense because some random quirk could've wiped out our better neighbours. but i imagine for all of those fitter cousins of ours there were a million retard mutant tribes that were worse than we are.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:15
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the immune system keeping us from just imploding into a pile of green ooze like a gross controlled skyscraper demolition is pretty amazing I think
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Oct 2, 2017 23:17
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the immune system is loving insane whenever you're sick take solace in the fact that the things that did it to you are being brutally murdered in horror-movie like ways by the millions as you rest
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Oct 2, 2017 23:26
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when you get a cold the pathogens are being ensnared and trapped in a coffin of slime and then dumped into a pool of hydrochloric acid
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Oct 2, 2017 23:28
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:humans are really great at making enough kids that some reach sexual maturity and make yet more kids. anything that happens to a human body afterward has no bearing on evolution. The high risk of dying while doing this seems like a pretty major flaw, not that it stopped us but still.
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Oct 2, 2017 23:36
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bradzilla posted:
Sounds like these boil down to "if you inhale your food and refuse to work your core while not healthily stimulating your prostate you could die" Might i suggest a dildo with a suction cup that he can squat on, he could repurpose the cum tube to feed vital liquid nutrients down his gullet
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Oct 2, 2017 23:43
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Fojar38 posted:the immune system is loving insane My immune system got bored and started going after my pancreas and briefly the myelin sheaths around my nerves so its brutal efficiency has been a mixed blessing
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Oct 3, 2017 00:14
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Neurosis posted:My immune system got bored and started going after my pancreas and briefly the myelin sheaths around my nerves so its brutal efficiency has been a mixed blessing rogue faction of white blood cells attempted a coup; might have lost faith in high command after exposure to the kind of brutal warfare expected of them
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Oct 3, 2017 00:28
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Here's something to think about: If our brain is the most interesting in the universe, but supercomputers can do all the brain calculations and regulations better, where do the lines cross of organic tissue and metallic computers to maximum what it can do? Maybe we don't need computers after all so it's 100% flesh 0% circuits? Otherway around? Or like 80% computer 20% flesh? I ask because of a hypothetical question where if you want to think better/stronger, you slap on computer attachments to your brain, or directly replace bits of brain with computers.
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Oct 3, 2017 02:53
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i have a cybernetic prosthesis attached to my brain. it's a floppy drive so i don't get much use out of it these days.
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Oct 3, 2017 02:56
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EorayMel posted:Here's something to think about : IIRC there are certain kinds of calculations our brains do better than computers, they just don't involve math.
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Oct 3, 2017 03:15
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I think it is pretty amazing. Lots of diseases and stuff, but, man. Best body I've ever been in so far.
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generally, people in the industry of learning machines have been equating one neuron to one transistor in terms of how much raw intelligence a particular bit of hardware (be it carbon or silicon based) is capable of. the argument is that anything beyond that is software, and humans currently (and for the next at least half century) have much better software since nature wrote it over the course of a gorillion years. language is one of those things that we will likely never see computers be good at in a general sense, there are entire subsections of the brain that are specialized and primed to learn natural language that activate around 18-24 months old and stay white-hot until age 6 or so, at which point it slowly starts cooling off until age 25 (give or take), when it enters a steady-state. you do not need to teach a toddler what a verb is for the toddler to use one correctly. thousands of ph.d. projects in the realm of natural language processing have been completed just to get to a point where computers can even begin to grasp the concept. if you ever wanted to make a human preternaturally good at languages, you'd work to increase the density of that region and isolate triggers to keep it glowing hot; it would be ridiculous to even consider a silicon based prosthesis. in the universe we live in that might not end up mattering because we're rapidly approaching the point in our civilization where there's a unified trade language (though the jury's still out on which of the three top languages on the planet it'll end up being) and it'll only really matter if the computers get that one. but computers will remain very slow to adapt habits in that space and many others compared to humans, who tend to pick up habits, test them out, and discard them almost obsessively. so in that sense, the question of 'what is best' probably ends up with 'it depends what you're trying to do'. a silicon based arithmetic coprocessor that you can interface with mentally likely makes more sense than simply adding neurons until you have enough neural space to be preternaturally good at math; even if the coprocessor ran off electricity generated by your own neural activity it would be more efficient than doubling your neuron count because that would double the energy requirements of the brain - and the brain is already the most energy-hungry part of the human body. by the same token, it wouldn't make sense to add silicon to give someone better spacial awareness, because that would almost certainly require enough energy to mandate other energy intake methods. it's very sci-fi to imagine putting solar cells in your skin or something but the reality is that you sacrifice a lot of what's good about the human body when you start fiddling around with it too much - namely, the toughness and raw survivability that allows us to keep moving with injuries that would cripple most other animals and mend those injuries using pretty much any nutrition we can lay our hands on. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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quote:(though the jury's still out on which of the three top languages on the planet it'll end up being) what jury its english and has been for a long time
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Don't know if been posted yet, but baby have huge heads and so delivery is painful for women.
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Coolguye posted:the big brain isn't even really the secret to human domination, also lmao what How do we have trade without communication which is impossible without sufficiently developed intelligence? Also, I loving love these constant "here is the world according to my gut beliefs" that fall apart in 2 moments on Google: quote:like, try to imagine two male baboons meeting on neutral ground and exchanging bananas for grapes. you can't, because that's loving absurd and the unambiguous conclusion from that meeting is that the baboons are going to try to murder each other. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/magazine/monkey-business.html
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Teeth are one thing I wish evolution would have hammered out a better system for. Too important for how easily damaged they can be, and irreplaceable to boot. Also baby teeth are basically a horror show. 
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COMRADES posted:lmao what simmer down, stud, i didn't say intelligence wasn't required, i said it wasn't the secret to human domination. neanderthal was very intelligent by any measure and were very happy to use tools (most notably, the acheulean hand axe), but at no point did they ever erupt out of their meat-eating niche or manage to challenge habitats that were not their own. that is a uniquely human thing. consequently, big brains and smart behavior aren't really the secret. they're part of the solution, but they're not the secret sauce. also, the article you link is demonstrating reciprocity and group thinking, not trading. reciprocity is all over the primate classes and is in a lot of other brainy animals as well. food for sex 'trades' are also common in the animal kingdom, but that is again not what i'm talking about. prostitution among animals has been easily observable for over a century - it's not news. token exchanges also do not indicate barter, because the monkeys do not value the tokens, so they are happy to give them up.the indian rope trick that humanity used to get huge was exchanging one thing for a completely unrelated thing at the same time. trading fish for vegetables allows one person to specialize in getting fish, and another person to specialize in getting vegetables - they're both more productive this way, and both have achieved the goal of diversifying their diet and making themselves healthier. both people involved in this trade got more time to do other things, which is, in effect, how progress (that is, technology evolving faster than biology) became a winning move. perhaps if you cared to clarify and perhaps asked for supporting documentation (here is an actual research paper, not some rando article, by noted primatologist Sarah Brosnan on the matter - long story short, while certain chimpanzees are sometimes willing to trade cucumbers that they hate for grapes that they love, the habit cannot be taught to them in a generalized way as to indicate barter) you'd be better off here. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Parts are pretty cool-- the brain, the heart, the immune system, the endocrine and lymphatic systems, the liver, the thumbs and nerve endings in your fingertips, but most of it is pretty bad. There is way too much of a cascade effect once poo poo starts to go wrong. We are all badly made jenga towers.
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Oct 3, 2017 05:17
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I can't fly without a plane, this is some bullshit
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bradzilla posted:How about the teeny-tiny birth canal that women have to push our fat big-brained heads through. High risk of death just trying to deliver a child and only in the last 100 years have we had technology to assist with this. i read somewhere they deserve it
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Orkin Mang posted:i read somewhere they deserve it if a woman is giving birth that means she is a slut who has had sex
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extra stout posted:if you've ever had your wisdom teeth removed while you're awake and had to flex your neck and shoulder muscles so that the mallet and chisel dont shake you it does become easy to wonder why god didn't spend a bit more time thinking us through I'm part of the >10% of humans who has never grown wisdom teeth and never will. Suck my homo superior dick, Neanderthals.
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Oct 3, 2017 05:58
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my wisdom teeth popped right out. the process was completely painless.
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I'm one of the I don't know percentage of people whose wisdom teeth grew in perfectly.
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EorayMel posted:Here's something to think about : Perhaps metal bits can be better at everything and eventually when we can replace every neuron with artificial boys one by one the Theseus' Ship conundrum will become more than a thought experiment and vital to knowing whether your consciousness will continue or not
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Coolguye posted:simmer down, stud, i didn't say intelligence wasn't required, i said it wasn't the secret to human domination. neanderthal was very intelligent by any measure and were very happy to use tools (most notably, the acheulean hand axe), but at no point did they ever erupt out of their meat-eating niche or manage to challenge habitats that were not their own. that is a uniquely human thing. consequently, big brains and smart behavior aren't really the secret. they're part of the solution, but they're not the secret sauce. Neanderthals were basically just a group of humans who spent tens of thousands of years stuck in glaciated Europe with a limited food supply. They didn't have the resources to support large populations and there were already more populous homonid groups living in Africa and Asia. We don't know that Neanderthals never left Europe because if they did, they would have gradually interbred with a much larger hominid gene pool and would have quickly ceased to be a distinct subspecies. Neanderthals "died out" in Europe when the glaciers receded and cro magnons came in, but that doesn't really mean they were out-competed, they may have simply been reintegrated into the broader hominid gene pool.
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Oct 3, 2017 06:32
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Eventually I want to have my consciousness in a cyborg body. A shiny metal machine instead of this meatbag filth.
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THERES LIKE A 600MS PING FROM YOUR BRAIN TO YOUR FOOT
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What do you think would happen if they replaced your brain cell by cell with machine parts?
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Vakal posted:Teeth are one thing I wish evolution would have hammered out a better system for. Too important for how easily damaged they can be, and irreplaceable to boot. Yeah, no kidding.  just in case:https://i.imgur.com/a0qqQSM.jpg
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COMRADES posted:What do you think would happen if they replaced your brain cell by cell with machine parts? If we reached the point where the nanomachines were close enough to human cells to actually replace them, then we'd basically just have a new way of making living tissue. Could we make that tissue so it's immortal and doesn't break down? Maybe, but to do that, we'd have to understand cellular anatomy so thoroughly that we'd probably have a pretty good understanding of how to achieve the same ends with biological cells without replacing our bodies with horrible robotic simulacra.
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COMRADES posted:What do you think would happen if they replaced your brain cell by cell with machine parts? IBMs stock price would skyrocket.
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Duckbox posted:Neanderthals were basically just a group of humans who spent tens of thousands of years stuck in glaciated Europe with a limited food supply. They didn't have the resources to support large populations and there were already more populous homonid groups living in Africa and Asia. We don't know that Neanderthals never left Europe because if they did, they would have gradually interbred with a much larger hominid gene pool and would have quickly ceased to be a distinct subspecies. the other thing to mention here is that there's lots of debris from neanderthal camps that have been uncovered and there is no evidence whatsoever that their toolkit ever really changed in 300 millenia or so. it's only when you start seeing homo sapiens - the specific hominid that was known to trade - did you start seeing changes in toolkits that you can link to habitat drift and ecological adaptation. e: also, for what it's worth, re-integration via breeding cannot explain the collapses in neanderthal numbers that led to their extinction about 40,000 years ago. i could go on but it's late and the wikipedia article on the matter has better annotated sources than i'm going to come up with at this hour. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Coolguye posted:the other thing to mention here is that there's lots of debris from neanderthal camps that have been uncovered and there is no evidence whatsoever that their toolkit ever really changed in 300 millenia or so. it's only when you start seeing homo sapiens - the specific hominid that was known to trade - did you start seeing changes in toolkits that you can link to habitat drift and ecological adaptation. I think people's view of the Neanderthal disappearance relates a lot to whether you think of them as "human" or not. More modern human history is full of isolated and relatively resource poor and technology stagnant societies having their populations collapse upon contact with larger groups and the broader "human community." We could just as easily suppose that most Neanderthals got wiped out by disease like happened in the Americas and their relatively static level of technology can easily be explained by the low population density and the immense difficulty of traveling in frozen Europe. There's no reason to think they were biologically unsuited to trade. The more obvious explanation is that they simply never had the surplus resources/population needed to make large-scale trade worthwhile over long distances and difficult terrain.
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you need neither large populations nor large surpluses to trade. in fact that gets the dynamic backward. kauri shells travelled hundreds of miles inland from the coasts of Africa hand to hand between bands of Homo sapiens no larger than 100-150 and this is well documented in their debris that coincide with the Neanderthal's time period. trade is what makes large surpluses actually worth something; otherwise, there's no point in breaking your back gathering an extra 10 pounds of grain from wild bushes, it's just gonna mold before you can eat it. but if you can trade, you can turn that grain into anything someone else has - fish, tools, firewood, hides, whatever. then when your trade buddy realizes they don't actually need to worry about grain anymore, they can take time off to make a better tool, or a tool making tool, to turn a surplus into a larger surplus. this is the reason trade is so huge. it auto catalyzes from something tiny and simple to something of arbitrary complexity really readily, providing consistent benefits to everyone involved the entire time. trade doesn't require large surpluses. it creates them.
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Duckbox posted:I'm part of the >10% of humans who has never grown wisdom teeth and never will. Suck my homo superior dick, Neanderthals. enduring pain gives us wisdom. it's also highly concentrated in the heartwood of the teeth named after wisdom, wisdom teeth. what i'm saying is that you're incapable of writing aphorisms and if you tried to scribble down an epigram i could tell you lack the proper teeth
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I think language is the thing that gives our brains power. You can't put together complex thoughts without words. I think Helen Keller said she just had very basic animal instinct reactions to things before she learned language.
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