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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege And ya, Taliban insurgency is exactly like what would happen in the US. I hear the terrain is really similar. I also hear that they had little devices on all the Taliban members that were constantly communicating with base stations and relaying their communications and comms. Like not only would your naive little insurgency be way behind in actual weapons, they'd be even more behind w/ information security and opsec. Something that uhh... didn't matter in the crap you keep posting like the Battle of Blair Mountain.
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People say take the guns from the cops too but you just know even in the unlikely event of gun control in America there's no loving way they'd take the cops' guns.
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It is profoundly amazing how bad any sort of well regulated militia would lose a battle of information warfare against the US government. You probably won't even be worth a tossable 0-day.
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imo what we need to do is to take America away from Earth it might even work
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safely sodomized posted:yeah its a machine that kills people. letting only the military and cops have it is better, they would never abuse that unchecked power i dont think thats good either i just think postin a wiki to the taliban insurgency like its something to aspire to is kinda weird
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hey is that trump dude still president??
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I think the more salient point about invoking Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq as an example of low-level insurgency "succeeding" over the American military is that all three countries were tremendously wrecked beyond all belief, and that the process of "winning" took decades. Even if we were to grant that, yes, the American military is going to lose a guerrilla war, that includes literally reverting the US into a third-world country over the course of a dozen years or more.
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i think we need good ol fashioned socialism n restoring ppls faith in government fortunately donald trump is leading the way
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platzapS posted:hey is that trump dude still president?? no, Jeb! took his rightful place through force
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platzapS posted:hey is that trump dude still president?? Nah it's Jeb! Cuck Yeah!
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think the more salient point about invoking Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq as an example of low-level insurgency "succeeding" over the American military is that all three countries were tremendously wrecked beyond all belief, and that the process of "winning" took decades. I mean it's not good but it's better than unopposed fascism
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Oct 3, 2017 08:46
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jeb won the spain election bigly
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Turdfuzz posted:i dont think thats good either i just think postin a wiki to the taliban insurgency like its something to aspire to is kinda weird I'd love to be able to wear robes
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big black turnout posted:I mean it's not good but it's better than unopposed fascism maybe they both suck
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:It is profoundly amazing how bad any sort of well regulated militia would lose a battle of information warfare against the US government. You probably won't even be worth a tossable 0-day. on a macro scale, sure. on the local scale, the militia absolutely has the advantage: 1984-poo poo doesn't work if you sever all communications, you're not getting an intimate floorplan of a fortified compound unless you already have people in it, and since there's no such thing as domestic terrorism any more, fuckin  at getting people on the inside.
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localized or even regional insurgencies could easily be put down by the military, the only factor being the will to fire upon citizens. a nationwide civil war would likely render many advanced weapons systems inoperable or severely reduced in capability due to desertions, split loyalties in leadership, and breakdown of the entire civilian contractor system.
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I don't think there's a real sectional breaking point so what a "civil war" would look like, I think, is random groups of armed men shooting civilians here and there for looking funny, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc.
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There is never going to be a point where there's American militias fighting fascist governance. No matter how bad the Republicans get, Americans will go along with it.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing yeah things dont change
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VectorSigma posted:localized or even regional insurgencies could easily be put down by the military, the only factor being the will to fire upon citizens. a nationwide civil war would likely render many advanced weapons systems inoperable or severely reduced in capability due to desertions, split loyalties in leadership, and breakdown of the entire civilian contractor system. Yeah this is the only way I'd see something successful play out. And this is why you always go for control of the media first when attempting a coup
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Turdfuzz posted:policeman tried to give me a ticked but i flashed my gun n he backed the gently caress up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UYW70Rao0c&t=110s
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any situation where there was an actual popular insurrection against the government is so drastically different from the current situation that the few small militias that exist are right wing is entirely irrelevant. it would require at the minimum a massive economic depression
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safely sodomized posted:it would require at the minimum a massive economic depression good thing that will never happen again ever
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safely sodomized posted:any situation where there was an actual popular insurrection against the government is so drastically different from the current situation that the few small militias that exist are right wing is entirely irrelevant. it would require at the minimum a massive economic depression It'd have to be an extremely rapid crash. The slow slide into poverty that we're in isn't enough.
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This is jebland now, all dotards surrender their weapons
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VectorSigma posted:good thing that will never happen again ever yeah, its going to happen and in our lifetimes and surrendering popular power over to the state so when we do revolt we get mowed down even easier is not smart
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holy macaroni
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one of these summers it just won't rain at all in the great plains and bam civil war
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they'll never have these guns  *kisses flabby weakling arm and wooden pegleg im using as my other arm*
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safely sodomized posted:yeah, its going to happen and in our lifetimes and surrendering popular power over to the state so when we do revolt we get mowed down even easier is not smart ur a wacky guy
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safely sodomized posted:it would require at the minimum a massive economic depression um there are like a dozen different things trump could decide to do when he wakes up this morning to send us into one of these
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Nichael posted:It'd have to be an extremely rapid crash. The slow slide into poverty that we're in isn't enough. well if we know one thing about the american economy it has never experienced extremely rapid crashes
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Turdfuzz posted:ur a wacky guy im p boring actually
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VectorSigma posted:localized or even regional insurgencies could easily be put down by the military, the only factor being the will to fire upon citizens. a nationwide civil war would likely render many advanced weapons systems inoperable or severely reduced in capability due to desertions, split loyalties in leadership, and breakdown of the entire civilian contractor system. i don't think you realize how centralized the supply chains are for the military nowadays. this isn't the civil war where you and your like-minded buddies go raid the armory a few cities over for supplies. any military installation that doesn't immediately follow the pentagon's orders is going to be taken out so that it can't be used against the military vehicles don't run without fuel, guns don't fire without ammunition, and troops are going to desert up until they realize that the new government isn't paying them every two weeks. at best, some state national guards spin up and then you've got a few weeks worth of fight before the whole train stops and turns into street gangs in ugly pajamas. warfare is logistics. anyone expecting sections of the military to rise up successfully is seriously underestimating how much bureaucracy and planning is required.
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safely sodomized posted:yeah things dont change the only good point you've made is that shooting senators in the rear end gets poo poo done. tarring and feathering them instead has worked just fine for a while though so not sure why the gun is necessary. I'd wager that you would actually see change happen when enough people get desperate that lone wolf attacks on representatives turn into a frequent thing. Something that a bad health care or tax plan could generate sufficient hopelessness to do.
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Kurtofan posted:This is jebland now, all dotards surrender their weapons 
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:the only good point you've made is that shooting senators in the rear end gets poo poo done. tarring and feathering them instead has worked just fine for a while though so not sure why the gun is necessary. im just gonna vote against em
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:the only good point you've made is that shooting senators in the rear end gets poo poo done. tarring and feathering them instead has worked just fine for a while though so not sure why the gun is necessary. a revolution is just multiple people shooting senators in the rear end
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