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chernobyl kinsman posted:i didnt go to mass today and i feel bad about it lol if you don't live in a town with a night mass
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i live in a mid-tier northeastern city and literally the only night mass in the area is a 5 PM Korean service up the road
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i didnt go to mass today and i feel bad about it I attended a wedding mass yesterday afternoon (the happy couple were 78 and 76, respectively  ) and when I asked the priest afterwards if that counted as an evening mass and would fulfil my sunday obligation he was like "yeah sure, i guess" so I didn't go either, but don't feel (too) bad about it
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i live in a mid-tier northeastern city and literally the only night mass in the area is a 5 PM Korean service up the road still counts if it's in korean
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Oct 1, 2017 21:39
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it only counts if its in latin, the language spoken by jesus himself
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it only counts if its in latin, the language spoken by jesus himself I have some bad news for you.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:it only counts if its in latin, the language spoken by jesus himself and japanese since he did go to japan
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Senju Kannon posted:and japanese since he did go to japan When did he find the time to go to England, then?
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Ceciltron posted:When did he find the time to go to England, then? He squeezed it in before his trip to the American southwest.
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Ceciltron posted:When did he find the time to go to England, then? He went to England as a child.
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where can I get an Agnus Dei sacramental? i'm going to hit up my local discalced carmelites this weekPaladinus posted:He went to England as a child. during which time he founded the monastery at Glastonbury, yes. common knowledge here, guys chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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Oct 2, 2017 04:52
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this is why the Glastonbury music festival exists. Yeshua loved some good chunes
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Lutha Mahtin posted:this is why the Glastonbury music festival exists. Yeshua loved some good chunes Ironically, I don't think ELP ever played there.
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StashAugustine posted:lol if you don't live in a town with a night mass orthodox liturgies are only allowed to be celebrated once per day per altar
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HEY GAIL posted:orthodox liturgies are only allowed to be celebrated once per day per altar this sounds like a reason to have two altars
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StashAugustine posted:this sounds like a reason to have two altars
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i remember a lot of old european cathedrals have a bunch of side chapels dedicated to various big shots who donated money on the condition people would say mass for them, is that a thing with orthodox churches?
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StashAugustine posted:i remember a lot of old european cathedrals have a bunch of side chapels dedicated to various big shots who donated money on the condition people would say mass for them, is that a thing with orthodox churches? The baroque loving ruled in this regard (as it did in all others tbqh), St Stephen's cathedral in Vienna for example had 77 altars by the late 18th century iirc on which 150-200 masses were said. Per day
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System Metternich posted:The baroque loving ruled in this regard (as it did in all others tbqh), St Stephen's cathedral in Vienna for example had 77 altars by the late 18th century iirc on which 150-200 masses were said. Per day mass en masse
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The Orthodox cathedrals I've been to (Tokyo, Anchorage) both had chapels off to the side, each even with its own iconostasis. I think in the Tokyo cathedral they had confessions there. Dunno how they're used during the week, though.
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HEY GAIL posted:orthodox liturgies are only allowed to be celebrated once per day per altar In some Russian churches they have tiny side-altars when one service a day is not enough, but there's also not enough money for another dedicated altar.
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System Metternich posted:The baroque loving ruled in this regard (as it did in all others tbqh), St Stephen's cathedral in Vienna for example had 77 altars by the late 18th century iirc on which 150-200 masses were said. Per day
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A cousin of mine has been discerning for a couple of years now, and is on the verge of taking monastic vows. I don't want to say which order. The family is proud and glad for him because it's the first and only thing he's ever done that they could take pride in. When I privately confronted him regarding his motivations for the change in lifestyle (if you've ever seen "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," he's always come off as a slightly more grounded in reality version of those characters and that ethos), he freely admitted that he has no religious vocation at all and is only going into the monastery because "It's free room and board and I get to go to sleep each night imagining all of you respecting me while I think about women and hood poo poo." He also claims that he's already sold the monks on the narrative that his family and friends are against him stepping out of the secular world, and that if I tell anyone else the truth, they'll think that I'm lying. I can't speak for the monks but all our relatives would absolutely take his side over mine on the matter. Please pray for the good judgment of religiouses in knowing who is false, and I guess also for my cousin to grow some semblance of a conscience. Mostly the first one because my cousin's conscience is like a rock so big that God can't lift it.
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Alvarez IV posted:A cousin of mine has been discerning for a couple of years now, and is on the verge of taking monastic vows. I don't want to say which order. The family is proud and glad for him because it's the first and only thing he's ever done that they could take pride in. When I privately confronted him regarding his motivations for the change in lifestyle (if you've ever seen "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," he's always come off as a slightly more grounded in reality version of those characters and that ethos), he freely admitted that he has no religious vocation at all and is only going into the monastery because "It's free room and board and I get to go to sleep each night imagining all of you respecting me while I think about women and hood poo poo." He also claims that he's already sold the monks on the narrative that his family and friends are against him stepping out of the secular world, and that if I tell anyone else the truth, they'll think that I'm lying. I can't speak for the monks but all our relatives would absolutely take his side over mine on the matter. I know this isn't the encouragement you want, but trust me, things are going to shake out better for him. If he's a fraud, the monks won't gently caress around setting him straight, or they'll just throw him out again. Either way, he'll be closer to hitting the bottom, so he'll get the motivation needed to grow as a person.
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Tias posted:I know this isn't the encouragement you want, but trust me, things are going to shake out better for him. If he's a fraud, the monks won't gently caress around setting him straight, or they'll just throw him out again. Either way, he'll be closer to hitting the bottom, so he'll get the motivation needed to grow as a person. It's mostly the order itself that I want to know is going to be okay through all of this. I know he's not going to start pimping out of the monastery, but I don't even like the idea of him being one of them in all outward and identifiable aspects while secretly holding the whole thing in contempt. I've got too much respect for sequestered religious groups to want to subject them to that. Hopefully they somehow read his mind because I'm convinced that if he wants to, he can live a long and happy life as a monk while compartmentalizing his true self. He only ever tells me this stuff because he likes having a Cassandra who knows the truth but no one will believe. As for hitting the bottom, I'd say he did that when he took in a gay teenage runaway that he started gaslighting into transitioning into a woman because he thought it would make for an interesting story about how he got a maid. The last thing he needs is motivation to grow as a person, unless you want him in politics.
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yeah uhhh, i hope he realizes that monastic rules are generally extraordinarily demanding. anyone under the rule of st. benedict is going to get up at about 3:30 am. monks get about seven hours' sleep each night and work during the day
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Don't troll this thread
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My friends, I bear terrible news https://twitter.com/giorgio_karam/status/914160538569072640
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Joining a monastic order to avoid hard work is quite possibly the dumbest plan I've ever heard. It's the kind of idea George Costanza would come up with.
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And it's not like he'll actually join the order overnight. If he wants to work for a tiny room and food as a novice, let him, imo. Monks could use some help probably.
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Samuel Clemens posted:Joining a monastic order to avoid hard work is quite possibly the dumbest plan I've ever heard. It's the kind of idea George Costanza would come up with. The Gang Joins The Benedictines
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I know a guy who I suspect is trying to pull almost exactly this same poo poo, except it's a way better grift because he wants to be an evangelical minister. Much easier/better paying than being a monk.
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Alvarez IV posted:he freely admitted that he has no religious vocation at all and is only going into the monastery because "It's free room and board and I get to go to sleep each night imagining all of you respecting me while I think about women and hood poo poo."
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Samuel Clemens posted:Joining a monastic order to avoid hard work is quite possibly the dumbest plan I've ever heard. It's the kind of idea George Costanza would come up with.
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It does seem like a sitcom plot. Lazy character joins a monastery to get out of working for a living but drives the head monk bonkers. Character realizes his mistakes and before leaving the monastery somehow saves it from some kind of plight.
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There was an Italian (?) TV show where a prostitute (?) joined a monastery to hide from the mafia, and later decided to join for real. I remember very little about it, only that the novice habits were blue, so I'm not sure if it was before or after Sister Act.
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It's certainly possible that there were times in history where joining a monastic order would've been a path for ducking out of work, but those ages do seem far past.
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CountFosco posted:It's certainly possible that there were times in history where joining a monastic order would've been a path for ducking out of work, but those ages do seem far past. i'd imagine it's less "ducking out of work" and more "doing a shitload of work but also getting access to a shitload of alcohol" IANAMedievalist though
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Assuming you aren't trolling you should know your cousin sounds like a legitimate psychopath.
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