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Snacksmaniac posted:Euro any recent tweaks to mill? I had a pretty solid record for September with it. This is where I'm at right now- 4 Darkslick Shores 3 Flooded Strand 4 Ghost Quarter 2 Island 1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds 4 Polluted Delta 2 Swamp 3 Watery Grave 4 Archive Trap 3 Crypt Incursion 1 Damnation 3 Fatal Push 4 Fraying Sanity 4 Glimpse the Unthinkable 4 Hedron Crab 4 Mesmeric Orb 1 Murderous Cut 2 Snapcaster Mage 3 Surgical Extraction 4 Visions of Beyond Sideboard: 1 Damnation 3 Echoing Truth 2 Fulminator Mage 2 Inquisition of Kozilek 3 Negate 3 Ravenous Trap 1 Surgical Extraction The Murderous Cut will probably become a Hero's Downfall soon, as I am stone-cold dead to a Gideon of the Trials emblem game 1. Although it will depend on how prevalent Gideon becomes going forward; I am usually paired up against at least 1 UW Control deck each FNM but I don't think I've seen any of them cast a planeswalker, the only Gideon oTT I've seen was in a Restore Balance deck of all things. I thought briefly about turning one blue source into a Steam Vents to splash for Dreadbore as a walker-killer but I'm not sure if that's any better. People have also suggested Field of Ruin over Ghost Quarter since it forces your opponent to search (and you get a land out of it) but that 2 mana activation cost is real steep. From my experience, people will almost always search off of being Ghost Quarter'd since no one wants to let you have a Strip Mine activation in Modern. And I have needed to Ghost Quarter myself in the past, if you can believe it. SB is pretty new compared to the maindeck. I will probably cut the Fulminators and bring my Hurkyl's Recalls back in as A: there aren't really any "lands" decks like Tron or Valakut around here, and B: I thought our resident Affinity player was moving but apparently he's still here  I could also see a case for dropping the Inquisitions for more removal, like a 4th Echoing Truth or a second Hero's Downfall. Inquisition is a good card but I never know when to bring it in!Snacksmaniac posted:Though I'm waiting to get paired up with the idiot that plays sneak and breach who says I can't beat him. Except I'm pretty sure mill wins that way more than half the time, depending on configuration. What kind of Breach deck? If it's running Emrakuls (which not a lot are) then you might have a hard time, but if it's a Valakut deck with Breach then you should be OK if you Surgical his Prime Times ASAP. I think the deck can mill enough Mountains or draw enough Ghost Quarters to keep an opposing player off of critical Valakut mass otherwise. Deck is still fun and still has game in my area, I'll probably bring it out next FNM while I decide what tweaks to make to my own Valakut deck (and also remain too lazy to sleeve up this finished Enchantress deck). I found out recently that one of my wife's friends is big into Magic and wants to build Mill, I'm v excited for him 
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I've never had much trouble with emrakul decks you just have to play differently (and lean on surgical hard.) I used to play this deck so much in pods heyday people started sideboarding emrakul. It didn't work.
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Snacksmaniac posted:I've never had much trouble with emrakul decks you just have to play differently (and lean on surgical hard.) I used to play this deck so much in pods heyday people started sideboarding emrakul. It didn't work.
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GoutPatrol posted:edit: why the gently caress is the rack 15 tix on magic online. no fourth edition to provide a massive supply
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Snacksmaniac posted:I've never had much trouble with emrakul decks you just have to play differently (and lean on surgical hard.) I used to play this deck so much in pods heyday people started sideboarding emrakul. It didn't work. I guess the one time I can remember playing against an Emrakul deck (RG Tron pre-Eye ban) I did win, but I had to Crypt Incursion all of his creatures away one game to do so. Some people say you need Leyline or RiP for decks where you don't want certain things to hit the yard (like Dredge) but using your opponent's graveyard as a resource (Visions, Surgical, Incursion) is too valuable to completely remove it. I'm trying out Ravenous Trap in the SB again as an emergency graveyard wipe. And yeah, Pod and other creature-combo decks feel like really easy matchups as Mill. What's your list like these days? C-Euro fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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I'm pretty close to your main deck actually. I let you do most the heavy lifting. The biggest issue I have is deciding between the fourth surgical or putting one in the sb. Everything has changed. Against emrakul decks you basically have to slow roll them. Don't blow your big mill spells until you can back it up with surgical or crypt. Oh, I have mind funeral instead of snap.
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Snacksmaniac posted:I'm pretty close to your main deck actually. I let you do most the heavy lifting. The biggest issue I have is deciding between the fourth surgical or putting one in the sb.  Happy to lead the way on forums Mill tech. If you couldn't already tell, I spend way too much time thinking about this deck!Surgical is real good but for me it comes down to a fourth Surgical vs a fourth Orb maindeck. Orb is better in Mill's weaker matchups (aggro decks) while Surgical is better against decks that IMO are easier matchups (combo decks). Snaps are kind of a splurge for me. To be honest I think I find myself using them to flashback non-mill spells more often than not. They also play well with 4x Orb. Mind Funeral is fine for that spot too, I was running a couple until Fraying Sanity came along. Funeral is also good against aggro decks since they typically run fewer lands but it feels really bad to whiff on casting one. I could see myself going to 2x Sanity and 2x Funeral in the future but I need more playtesting with 4x Sanity. Also, with Mind Funeral you can do cutesy poo poo like Surgical-ing away lands in their graveyard to improve your odds of a big Mind Funeral. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Went to a small Legacy cash tournament at my local store. Played RG Lands. Played 3x Death and Taxes, 2x RG Lands, and Dark Maverick. Lost both Lands mirrors (once in T8), Once to D&T. It was a miserable day. I lost the Top 8 match despite starting Land, Exploration, 2x Mox Diamond, Loam, play an extra land as my turn 1. He drew Bog for my Loam, then gripped my Exploration. He eventually got ahead and found his Loam. Before I found mine.
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How do you feel the D&T matchup is from Lands' side?
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Aston posted:How do you feel the D&T matchup is from Lands' side? I've been playing lands forever and it isn't great on RG. You can shore it up a little bit by playing a bayou and running massacre though >: ).
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Or Cabal Pit.
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suicidesteve posted:Or Cabal Pit. I have Barbarian Ring. It's slightly unfavorable, but not terrible. If they draw the right cards you lose. You draw the right cards, you win.
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Modern Scapeshift/Breach crew- why do I keep seeing decks running 2x Relic of Progenitus mainboard? Is having a graveyard wipe + cantrip useful enough for maindeck slots? Admittedly I'm running Emrakuls so I'd rather keep my graveyard around for the chance to shuffle it all back in, but I might ended cutting down on those if not removing them altogether. Is Relic that much better than running more ramp or something like an extra Bolt? Also, anyone try SSG in the deck? I picked up a couple and am thinking of trying them out, having better odds at a turn 3 Breach seems handy. I've seen a handful of lists running them online but it's not commonplace.
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C-Euro posted:Modern Scapeshift/Breach crew- why do I keep seeing decks running 2x Relic of Progenitus mainboard? Is having a graveyard wipe + cantrip useful enough for maindeck slots? Admittedly I'm running Emrakuls so I'd rather keep my graveyard around for the chance to shuffle it all back in, but I might ended cutting down on those if not removing them altogether. Is Relic that much better than running more ramp or something like an extra Bolt? You're trying to erase the graveyard before someone can cast Tasigur or Gurmag Angler or flashback a spell with Snapcaster Mage. It also draws you a card sometimes.
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Star Man posted:You're trying to erase the graveyard before someone can cast Tasigur or Gurmag Angler or flashback a spell with Snapcaster Mage. It also draws you a card sometimes. Well yeah it's a good and useful card, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering if the deck has some inherent weakness to decks that use the graveyard as a resource (Dredge, Grixis Death's Shadow, Storm) that I haven't picked up on. I haven't seen too many decks at my store lately that fit that description, so maindecking graveyard hate isn't something that I feel is necessary for the deck (at least when I'm playing it around here).
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C-Euro posted:Well yeah it's a good and useful card, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering if the deck has some inherent weakness to decks that use the graveyard as a resource (Dredge, Grixis Death's Shadow, Storm) that I haven't picked up on. I haven't seen too many decks at my store lately that fit that description, so maindecking graveyard hate isn't something that I feel is necessary for the deck (at least when I'm playing it around here). Adjust for your meta. If there aren't decks that have graveyard manipulation in your meta, then don't worry about it. But now I'm reminiscing about Alara-Zendikar Standard when I could play Quenchable Flames in Red Deck Wins because blue was in such a weak position. Then Jace, the Mind Sculptor was printed.
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C-Euro posted:Well yeah it's a good and useful card, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering if the deck has some inherent weakness to decks that use the graveyard as a resource (Dredge, Grixis Death's Shadow, Storm) that I haven't picked up on. I haven't seen too many decks at my store lately that fit that description, so maindecking graveyard hate isn't something that I feel is necessary for the deck (at least when I'm playing it around here). Dredge wrecked me repeatedly. Conflagrate is one hell of a card. Another note: Popeye Stompy was a myth.
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The March Hare posted:I've been playing lands forever and it isn't great on RG. You can shore it up a little bit by playing a bayou and running massacre though >: ). From the D&T side it seems pretty hard as well - Punishing Fire is very hard to beat once it gets going, and all the disruptive land stuff is pretty ineffective against Loam. It seems to hinge pretty heavily on whether I can get a vial down early, so that I can develop the board through Tabernacle, and then it's a race. Sanctum Prelate on 2 is obviously great but I think Lands has adapted to that with Molten Vortex/Barbarian Ring so it's not game over.
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Aston posted:From the D&T side it seems pretty hard as well - Punishing Fire is very hard to beat once it gets going, and all the disruptive land stuff is pretty ineffective against Loam. It seems to hinge pretty heavily on whether I can get a vial down early, so that I can develop the board through Tabernacle, and then it's a race. Sanctum Prelate on 2 is obviously great but I think Lands has adapted to that with Molten Vortex/Barbarian Ring so it's not game over. Phyrexian Revoker shutting down Vortex limits your outs. The guy I always play at my shop always has Revoker into Prelate, and then sometimes Aven Mindcensor to ruin my crop rotation plan.
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So the guys that are lucky enough to have a legacy scene around them how do you feel 4c loam is going to line up in the current iteration of legacy ? Asking because I finally finished my post miracles legacy deck and it ended up being loam because I'm to poor to afford a tabernacle and got my diamonds before the price spike
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wiskibubbles posted:So the guys that are lucky enough to have a legacy scene around them how do you feel 4c loam is going to line up in the current iteration of legacy ? Asking because I finally finished my post miracles legacy deck and it ended up being loam because I'm to poor to afford a tabernacle and got my diamonds before the price spike It's not awful? Punishing fire matches up well vs drs and delver in general. I wouldn't be ecstatic to play it, nor do I think it's the worst deck right now. As with everything if you're good with it you can do a lot. Also chalice on 1 is very strong especially since decay seems to be on a downturn after counterbalance is gone.
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It actually made the finals of our tournament. It's ok in the current meta. As a Lands player I like to see it because it's a great matchup.
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C-Euro posted:Modern Scapeshift/Breach crew- why do I keep seeing decks running 2x Relic of Progenitus mainboard? Is having a graveyard wipe + cantrip useful enough for maindeck slots? Admittedly I'm running Emrakuls so I'd rather keep my graveyard around for the chance to shuffle it all back in, but I might ended cutting down on those if not removing them altogether. Is Relic that much better than running more ramp or something like an extra Bolt? skred player not a scapeshift player, but relic gives you free wins in some matchups and the majority of modern decks are not happy to see a t1 relic. seems like a meta choice over bolt since bolt doesn't kill much in the current meta also it plays fine with emrakul, as long as you don't sacrifice relic with the shuffle trigger on the stack. the only reason you might have to do that is if a clever opponent tries do something in response to the shuffle trigger, like snapcaster back a spell or cast living end, but even then you'll have the choice to crack relic or not C-Euro posted:Well yeah it's a good and useful card, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering if the deck has some inherent weakness to decks that use the graveyard as a resource (Dredge, Grixis Death's Shadow, Storm) that I haven't picked up on. I haven't seen too many decks at my store lately that fit that description, so maindecking graveyard hate isn't something that I feel is necessary for the deck (at least when I'm playing it around here). the most relevant interaction for your deck would probably be stopping snapcaster->counterspell. make sure to let snapcaster resolve, make them choose a target, and then crack relic in response to the snapcaster etb trigger little munchkin fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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wiskibubbles posted:So the guys that are lucky enough to have a legacy scene around them how do you feel 4c loam is going to line up in the current iteration of legacy ? Asking because I finally finished my post miracles legacy deck and it ended up being loam because I'm to poor to afford a tabernacle and got my diamonds before the price spike it's a non-combo, non-pure control deck that does not play deathrite shaman. it is unplayable.
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little munchkin posted:skred player not a scapeshift player, but relic gives you free wins in some matchups and the majority of modern decks are not happy to see a t1 relic. seems like a meta choice over bolt since bolt doesn't kill much in the current meta I still have 3 Bolts MB with 2 Relic in the side, Bolt is still relevant in my area since a lot of decks here are still playing small creatures, but I'll have to keep an eye on that. The way my store's calendar works out has us only doing Modern once, sometimes twice each month so it's real tough to get a consistent read on the meta!
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:it's a non-combo, non-pure control deck that does not play deathrite shaman. it is unplayable. are you hating on death and taxes
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well that is an oversight on my part but yes, I will hate on Death and Taxes for any and all reasons
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i've actually changed my mind on the legacy deck im taking to EW now. I'm going to play death's shadow with 4 Dread of Nights
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wiskibubbles posted:So the guys that are lucky enough to have a legacy scene around them how do you feel 4c loam is going to line up in the current iteration of legacy ? Asking because I finally finished my post miracles legacy deck and it ended up being loam because I'm to poor to afford a tabernacle and got my diamonds before the price spike 4C Loam is the kind of deck that either runs the tables if you're in a meta with lots of Delvers and small creatures, or is a feel-bad worse version of Lands if you aren't. You'll have to get a LOT of practice in because of the number of lines the deck has, and even then, you'll still have some nearly unwinnable matchups. You can bend it to your local meta, but I wouldn't take it to a GP at this point.
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thanks for the info guys. Still gonna bring this to the open because right now its all that I got. I have a been playing the deck for 5-6 months right now and not expecting to do amazing would love to just hit the right side of a bracket and maybe catch day two for the first time
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i've actually changed my mind on the legacy deck im taking to EW now. I'm going to play death's shadow with 4 Dread of Nights Play some Magical Hacks or Painters too.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I have the deck and love it despite all its flaws. When it works it feels completely degenerate, and Tabernacle is a relatively recent addition, so the deck is fine without it. Personally I do run a Deathrite as a GSZ target, but that's the whole beauty of the deck; how many different ways you can build it based on what you expect to see.
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Strongly consider the new 2 Mana pithing needle variant. It would fit well into the strategy you're going for.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i've actually changed my mind on the legacy deck im taking to EW now. I'm going to play death's shadow with 4 Dread of Nights Lol
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i've actually changed my mind on the legacy deck im taking to EW now. I'm going to play death's shadow with 4 Dread of Nights Elyv posted:rude as hell
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Played bant spirits for the first time at FNM tonight. I beat GW tron, GW ranumap excavator/azusa company, a variant of the saffron olive mono black vehicles deck, and lost a close match to storm. The deck felt really good the whole time. Putting together double drogskol captain was what won a big percentage of those games. I'm on a slightly different list (below) that plays zero geist of saint traft and four nebelghast herald. The herald is kind of an embarrassing card to be playing in modern, but it does a lot in matchups that are about creature combat. I'm much lower on geist than most people in this deck. Your plan should be to ignore their ground guys as much as possible, and hexproof is not an important keyword to a deck that already has a million ways to protect its creatures. 4 Collected Company 4 Drogskol Captain 4 Mausoleum Wanderer 4 Nebelgast Herald 4 Noble Hierarch 4 Path to Exile 2 Phantasmal Image 4 Rattlechains 4 Selfless Spirit 4 Spell Queller 3 Botanical Sanctum 1 Breeding Pool 2 Flooded Strand 1 Forest 2 Gavony Township 2 Hallowed Fountain 2 Island 2 Misty Rainforest 1 Plains 1 Razorverge Thicket 1 Temple Garden 4 Windswept Heath SB: 2 Aven Mindcensor SB: 1 Blessed Alliance SB: 1 Burrenton Forge-Tender SB: 1 Dispel SB: 2 Dusk // Dawn SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric SB: 2 Rest in Peace SB: 2 Stony Silence SB: 3 Unified Will
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How were the matches against Tron and the Ramunap deck? I thought Spirits was a dog to big mana decks, and I'm about to finish that Ramunap deck and need to know what to watch for when I play our local Spirits guy. E: No Kira either? C-Euro fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Star Man posted:There's a Ramunap deck in Modern? GW value company, runs 2 excavator usually.
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