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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Pingiivi posted:

Here's actually a stylus for the Tonar Banana that you posted a picture of https://www.turntableneedles.com/Tonar-Banana-DJ-Stylus_p_3927.html . I have an Ortofon Pro S that's pretty much identical and you can get styli for that too. Just pull the end off and smack a new one on.

As far as I know, Tonar has never manufactured anything so all their systems are identical to and/or compatible with something. For instance, the Tonar Birdie looks a lot like the Goldring Elan/Elektra and Sanyo Whatever because they all just order them straight from Generic Chinese Phono Cartridge Factory #88. Printing "Goldring" on the stylus assembly raises the price rather nicely.

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Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Kelp Me! posted:

Oh man just imagine audiophile message boards that are probably nothing but slapfights like this :allears:

Are you trying to use facts? You know those are against the rules!

I'm not even kidding, a lot of the audiophile forums will ban you for referring to blind testing or actual analysis.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Keiya posted:

Are you trying to use facts? You know those are against the rules!

I'm not even kidding, a lot of the audiophile forums will ban you for referring to blind testing or actual analysis.

I never forget the audiophile reviews of different NAS's - all hooked up to the same DAC.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
Firewire gives better sound than USB.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


remember that you need a slightly higher concentration of nitrogen in the room to really get that tone right

SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
Put a sticker on the wall to remove the bad vibes from your tunes.

I find a Grumpy Bear pairs nicely with Pantera.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Brb, just taping some pebbles to my audio cables.

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

I never forget the audiophile reviews of different NAS's - all hooked up to the same DAC.

The one where they were testing a DAC plugged in to a router, with different TP cables from the NAS to the router? Yeah, that was a good one. Also different HDMI cables where you can totally see the difference in quality in the picture (yeah I know about those new anti-aliasing cables with a microprocessor in the contacts, you know that's not what I mean).

Audiophiles don't know how digital stuff works, apparently.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


JazzmasterCurious posted:

Audiophiles don't know how digital stuff works, apparently.

You'd think understanding bias would actually be an interesting thing for them.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO has a new favorite as of 23:13 on Oct 2, 2017

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

To counter analog/digital/cosmic jitter I vibrate all the time they cancel each other out.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Jerry Cotton posted:

To counter analog/digital/cosmic jitter I vibrate all the time they cancel each other out.

It's funny, your eyes actually do this already. Scientists aren't 100% sure why your eyes make tiny movements, called microsaccades but they're responsible for some optical illusions.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Kwyndig posted:

It's funny, your eyes actually do this already. Scientists aren't 100% sure why your eyes make tiny movements, called microsaccades but they're responsible for some optical illusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktHn97hl0Cs

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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My favorite audiophile story is a group of them listening to a new, high-tech speaker wire and commenting how good it sounds, then finding out it was just a straightened wire hanger.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


As an audio tech it always confuses the hell out of me how people think this. As long as your copper cables don't have any breaks and are shielded properly then you'll get good signal. The properly-shielded part is vital. One company I worked for lost a valuable contract because their lovely cables started picking up spanish-language christian AM radio.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

My thots and pryors are with CanadianHotChick who thought of being right and died :(

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Grand Prize Winner posted:

As an audio tech it always confuses the hell out of me how people think this. As long as your copper cables don't have any breaks and are shielded properly then you'll get good signal. The properly-shielded part is vital. One company I worked for lost a valuable contract because their lovely cables started picking up spanish-language christian AM radio.

It's a way they can feel superior to others. It happens in every fandom. See: slapfights on /r/anime about which sub group is the best, Retro gaming enthusists complaining about lack of pixel fuzzing, any time a Smash Bros. Melee player hears about someone playing on an LCD tv....

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Are audiophiles still buying old Playstations to use as CD players for some reason?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Neito posted:

Retro gaming enthusists complaining about lack of pixel fuzzing, any time a Smash Bros. Melee player hears about someone playing on an LCD tv....

But... these make a verifiable and quantifiable difference? (Assuming by pixel fuzzing you mean exploiting old display hardware's lack of definition.)

No sense in complaining about it though since you can literally get CRTs for free :shrug:

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Jerry Cotton posted:

But... these make a verifiable and quantifiable difference? (Assuming by pixel fuzzing you mean exploiting old display hardware's lack of definition.)

No sense in complaining about it though since you can literally get CRTs for free :shrug:

yes, but it doesn't substantially and completely change the entire experience of playing the game, the way some claim. I'm not having an inferior experience playing Zelda 2 with sharp LCD pixels.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Neito posted:

yes, but it doesn't substantially and completely change the entire experience of playing the game, the way some claim. I'm not having an inferior experience playing Zelda 2 with sharp LCD pixels.

I haven't played that but from what I remember seeing it doesn't really have very ambitious graphics anyway?

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Jerry Cotton posted:

I haven't played that but from what I remember seeing it doesn't really have very ambitious graphics anyway?

Exactly. But much like an audiophile defending his wooden volume knobs that "kill the microvibrations that metal ones make", they'll fight you to the death over it. SPECIFICALLY using Z2 as an example.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
What the gently caress is the emulator one? I've been emulating since the mid 90s, and they've never looked like that.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Johnny Aztec posted:

What the gently caress is the emulator one? I've been emulating since the mid 90s, and they've never looked like that.

It’s from zStrawman.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Johnny Aztec posted:

What the gently caress is the emulator one? I've been emulating since the mid 90s, and they've never looked like that.

It's froma filter that adds scanlines.

impulse 7 effect
Jun 2, 2011

Neito posted:

It's a way they can feel superior to others. It happens in every fandom. See: slapfights on /r/anime about which sub group is the best, Retro gaming enthusists complaining about lack of pixel fuzzing, any time a Smash Bros. Melee player hears about someone playing on an LCD tv....

Obvious bait but in terms of good old quake, if you are happy playing at lower resolutions, CRTs rocking 200hz really are better. It's just modern FPS games need something higher than 640x480. And don't cost the earth flying to attend a tournament/break your back.

edit: fixed quote. Interestingly, when the BenQs started hitting 140hz, the convenience/performance ratio really started to make that shift

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Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

Grand Prize Winner posted:

As an audio tech it always confuses the hell out of me how people think this. As long as your copper cables don't have any breaks and are shielded properly then you'll get good signal. The properly-shielded part is vital. One company I worked for lost a valuable contract because their lovely cables started picking up spanish-language christian AM radio.

Never enter the home of an audiophile with money. I was doing some freelance IT work for a client working out of his home office and he couldn't wait to show me his setup. All of his equipment was perched on Sterrett precision surfaces, which were in turn surrounded by quartz crystals and had pyramids made from carbon fiber rods over them (can't recall his reasoning for the crystals or pyramids.)

Power was supplied by a gang of AC-DC-AC converters (as in, he was feeding one out of the other to remove all "noise" from the pole) and his speaker cables were some crazy 1" thick shielded lines that ran across the floor suspended from ceramic supports that were (like the Sterrett surfaces) surrounded by quartz crystals.

Apparently all of that wasn't enough, because he was talking about building an underground bunker listening room 50' below ground, with 2' concrete walls and a Faraday cage to remove all electromagnetic interference for "the optimal listening experience" :psyduck:

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Geoj posted:

Never enter the home of an audiophile with money. I was doing some freelance IT work for a client working out of his home office and he couldn't wait to show me his setup. All of his equipment was perched on Sterrett precision surfaces, which were in turn surrounded by quartz crystals and had pyramids made from carbon fiber rods over them (can't recall his reasoning for the crystals or pyramids.)

Power was supplied by a gang of AC-DC-AC converters (as in, he was feeding one out of the other to remove all "noise" from the pole) and his speaker cables were some crazy 1" thick shielded lines that ran across the floor suspended from ceramic supports that were (like the Sterrett surfaces) surrounded by quartz crystals.

Apparently all of that wasn't enough, because he was talking about building an underground bunker listening room 50' below ground, with 2' concrete walls and a Faraday cage to remove all electromagnetic interference for "the optimal listening experience" :psyduck:

I'd love to see the society that arises when only crazy audiophiles survive a nuclear war.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Geoj posted:


Apparently all of that wasn't enough, because he was talking about building an underground bunker listening room 50' below ground, with 2' concrete walls and a Faraday cage to remove all electromagnetic interference for "the optimal listening experience" :psyduck:

I was trying to imagine why this needs to be underground when all he really needs is sound baffling and the faraday cage if he's that concerned about EM interference, but then I realized I was starting to think like an audiophile.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

Geoj posted:

Power was supplied by a gang of AC-DC-AC converters (as in, he was feeding one out of the other to remove all "noise" from the pole)

He is like a little baby. Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJJy6VJvSCk

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Geoj posted:

surrounded by quartz crystals and had pyramids made from carbon fiber rods over them (can't recall his reasoning for the crystals or pyramids.)

Dude, he wanted to JO with you. He had the pyramids out and all!

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Where are these audiophiles getting all this kool-aid that they keep drinking? Those Japanese guys were insane.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

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Neito posted:

Exactly. But much like an audiophile defending his wooden volume knobs that "kill the microvibrations that metal ones make", they'll fight you to the death over it. SPECIFICALLY using Z2 as an example.



Emulator one should be some horrible upscaling filter that makes it look like poo poo

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Weren't there a series of really long effort posts in this thread about how far emulator programers are going to get the CRT look on modern LCDs?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Kwyndig posted:

Where are these audiophiles getting all this kool-aid that they keep drinking? Those Japanese guys were insane.

At least one highend site started as a parody and then started getting people asking how to order

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Trabant posted:

He is like a little baby. Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJJy6VJvSCk

Just lol'ing at this scrub that thinks he's got everything tuned out whereas I can see he still clearly has fluorescent lights in his home (due to the flicker of some shots). How can you be isolated if you have 50/60Hz (IDK where he lives, didn't pay attention) ballasts just buzzing away? And what about the opto-audio effects of cracks in the casings of any of his microcontroller-having devices?

We all know you need a pure HVDC connection to an isolated bunker building with only solid state step-down converters. And WTF is with this AC poo poo?! Get direct DC drives for your turntables and amplifers, n00b.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


that's all scrub-tier. just get a hand-cranked victrola. that way your music is never contaminated by electricity

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Just lol'ing at this scrub that thinks he's got everything tuned out whereas I can see he still clearly has fluorescent lights in his home (due to the flicker of some shots). How can you be isolated if you have 50/60Hz (IDK where he lives, didn't pay attention) ballasts just buzzing away? And what about the opto-audio effects of cracks in the casings of any of his microcontroller-having devices?

We all know you need a pure HVDC connection to an isolated bunker building with only solid state step-down converters. And WTF is with this AC poo poo?! Get direct DC drives for your turntables and amplifers, n00b.

Solid state step‐down? As in switch mode power supplies!?

Power must be supplied at 5 V logic level. Only diodes and resistors may be used to regulate the voltage.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

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Geoj posted:

Never enter the home of an audiophile with money. I was doing some freelance IT work for a client working out of his home office and he couldn't wait to show me his setup. All of his equipment was perched on Sterrett precision surfaces, which were in turn surrounded by quartz crystals and had pyramids made from carbon fiber rods over them (can't recall his reasoning for the crystals or pyramids.)

Power was supplied by a gang of AC-DC-AC converters (as in, he was feeding one out of the other to remove all "noise" from the pole) and his speaker cables were some crazy 1" thick shielded lines that ran across the floor suspended from ceramic supports that were (like the Sterrett surfaces) surrounded by quartz crystals.

Apparently all of that wasn't enough, because he was talking about building an underground bunker listening room 50' below ground, with 2' concrete walls and a Faraday cage to remove all electromagnetic interference for "the optimal listening experience" :psyduck:

Wow someone in the wild that actually bought the crystals?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Grand Prize Winner posted:

As an audio tech

random question: could you do me a favor and explain what a di box does in extremely simple terms? I'm a pro musician and i'm not a dunce technically but for some reason explanations about that particular piece of kit never stick in my brain.

I play cello so I'm pretty sure I need to use them but I still have no idea why.

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Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Just lol'ing at this scrub that thinks he's got everything tuned out whereas I can see he still clearly has fluorescent lights in his home (due to the flicker of some shots). How can you be isolated if you have 50/60Hz (IDK where he lives, didn't pay attention) ballasts just buzzing away? And what about the opto-audio effects of cracks in the casings of any of his microcontroller-having devices?

We all know you need a pure HVDC connection to an isolated bunker building with only solid state step-down converters. And WTF is with this AC poo poo?! Get direct DC drives for your turntables and amplifers, n00b.

Yeah, so that idiot has his own utility pole. WHICH IS CONNECTED UP TO THE PUBLIC GRID UPSTREAM. So the blood is tainted from being circulated closer to the heart.

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