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JeffersonClay posted:The best part about gun chat is the outliers who'd normally be posting about guillotines and siezing the means of production who suddenly become deeply concerned with constitutional rights, legal precedent and the efficacy of government regulation. I wouldn't soil the mighty guillotine with the blood of NRA member CEOs. They get barrel o HF tossed in some suburban community pond.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Don't you mean in the year After Colony 195? Universal Century or bust.
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I'm fine with every american owning a guillotine instead of a gun
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JeffersonClay posted:The best part about gun chat is the outliers who'd normally be posting about guillotines and siezing the means of production who suddenly become deeply concerned with constitutional rights, legal precedent and the efficacy of government regulation.
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duz posted:Universal Century or bust. Well UC does start with a giant false flag.
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Tropical Storm Nate is on a direct course for New Orleans right now and will likely become a hurricane within the next few days. Most predictions have it staying pretty weak but, well, they said much the same thing about Maria...
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I feel like someone must have beaten you with a copy of God and the State when you were young. Not at all, anarchism was totally my jam when I was fourteen.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Tropical Storm Nate is on a direct course for New Orleans right now and will likely become a hurricane within the next few days. Most predictions have it staying pretty weak but, well, they said much the same thing about Maria... JeffersonClay posted:Not at all, anarchism was totally my jam when I was fourteen.
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Crabtree posted:I'm beginning to see similarities between gun owners and people who play video games Go to TFR and replace every mention of guns with anime
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So uh, since gun chat is still going can someone explain to this silly foreigner, why the whole "well regulated militia" is ignored? Or what it actually means? Because I never see it brought up in gun debates.
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Tarantula posted:So uh, since gun chat is still going can someone explain to this silly foreigner, why the whole "well regulated militia" is ignored? Or what it actually means? Because I never see it brought up in gun debates. There is literally no good answer to your question.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There is literally no good answer to your question. But I don't even see gun control advocates bring it up, it seems like a glaring issue, which if addressed could maybe lead to positive change?
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Tarantula posted:So uh, since gun chat is still going can someone explain to this silly foreigner, why the whole "well regulated militia" is ignored? Or what it actually means? Because I never see it brought up in gun debates. Don't ask questions you do not want answers to. Pages and pages of answers. Each more different and pedantic as the last.
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Fun fact, on my AT&T Galaxy S5, Uber is installed by default and can't be uninstalled! Wooooo rip my privacy (Though I'm using android so my privacy was never there to begin with  )
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Tarantula posted:So uh, since gun chat is still going can someone explain to this silly foreigner, why the whole "well regulated militia" is ignored? Or what it actually means? Because I never see it brought up in gun debates. American law tends to be stand pretty closely by the letter of the law than the spirit (which is both good and bad), and it's difficult to pin down what constitutes a militia exactly, let alone what regulation would be considered well-regulated. By comparison, the right to bear arms is pretty easy to interpret and define; it's the right of the citizen to wield weapons. E: That's not to say that the Well Regulated Militia aspect could not be challenged and presented to the courts, but there's no guarantee which way the gavel would swing and the reprecussions would be tremendous. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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I really do not understand Americans. They already did this experiment for you guys. They took a smaller, but very comparable nation with a very similar cultural background and a great love for guns in general, and they banned all guns. The results were excellent, you could hardly ask for a more conclusive proof that banning guns will reduce gun violence and suicide by guns by a large amount. You would be hard pressed to design a better test case, it is even close to the perfect sample size. Given these evidence, it is hard to argue that every year nothing is done about this thousands of lives are sacrificed needlessly. It is also weird for me personally to see how little focus there is on suicide by gun. Most suicidal thoughts are overcome if the person suffering from them is kept from acting on them for a short amount of time. Most suicides are impulsive actions of a person who is temporarily mentally ill. Restricting access to the easiest and most efficient way to kill yourself in society has a huge impact on successful suicide numbers. Somehow there is a myth that people that commit suicide will always succeed in the end, but of course this is completely wrong. People that fail at a suicide attempt are often saved and overcome their suicidal thoughts, and people will often get through their depression if given time.
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Tarantula posted:But I don't even see gun control advocates bring it up, it seems like a glaring issue, which if addressed could maybe lead to positive change? It comes up in every gun control debate?
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Dead Reckoning posted:It's an explanatory clause that in no way restricts the nature of the individual right articulated in the subsequent clause. This has been subject to extensive legal, historical, and grammatical analysis and is wholly uncontroversial outside of internet smuglords going for idiotic "well you aren't in a regulated militia" one liners, and some of the stupider members of congress. That's cute, but that's not close to the argument you were making. You were making an "It's clear that they meant X" argument about the second amendment, a set of words that has been argued about for over 2 centuries by many many people much smarter than any of us, and tried to argue the merits of your side very ineffectually by pointing to text (that wasn't actually what the original text was) and saying it means what you think it means and that's why you're right. I'm not not talking about interpretations or whatever the gently caress you wanna yell at someone about. You made a lovely dumb intellectually dishonest argument and now you're trying to move the goalposts like a good right winger. gently caress off and come back when you have something worthwhile to say.
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GOP ideology is predicated upon creating as harshly an anti-social existence as possible. Whether it's fear of getting shot by your neighbor or someone with more grandiose visions of mass murder, or struggling to make ends meet without the power of a labor union to back you up when it comes down to brass tacks, it is by design that the vast majority of people are crushed by their pursuit of survival in order to prevent them from inflicting any manner of consequence upon the oligarchs that run this country.
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Spaced God posted:Fun fact, on my AT&T Galaxy S5, Uber is installed by default and can't be uninstalled! Skyweir posted:It is also weird for me personally to see how little focus there is on suicide by gun. Most suicidal thoughts are overcome if the person suffering from them is kept from acting on them for a short amount of time. 
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https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/916070020773421056 For those who don't remember this is the same DA who declined to press charges against the Trump kids for fraud.
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Skyweir posted:I really do not understand Americans. There's been a lot of money spent tying guns to nationalism and masculinity. It's been very successful.
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Trust the gun. Obey the gun. The gun is right. The gun is just. The gun is law. 
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Repeal 2nd Amendment. Ban all handguns and revolvers from civilian ownership. Legal long guns for hunting or target shooting: Rifles: Break or bolt action only. Single shot. No external or internal magazines. No magazine ports on the gun at all (to avoid the "oh I prooooooomise to only use single capacity mags~" horseshit). Shotguns: Break, bolt, or pump. Tube Magazines only, maximum capacity 4 shells. Hard cap on 4 shells. None of this "filling up the extra space with a rod that I'm totally not going to remove". Total ban on the AR platform. No "converted" """"single shot"""" ARs. Gun owners must belong to a shooting club/range/lodge or Hunting organisation to own a rifle. Rifle and Ammunition must be kept at organization until being used on site or at hunting grounds. Shotguns can be kept in the home. All long guns must be at a minimum 26 inches long. No telescoping, folding, quick draw, or easily adjusted stocks allowed for civilian use. Stocks that allow for adjusting the length of pull by adding spacers that are mechanically held in place which require disassembly to remove are allowed. gently caress your murder sport.
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Tarantula posted:But I don't even see gun control advocates bring it up The answer to your question is that as far as US constitutional law is concerned it either means nothing at all or that we can't have sawed-off shotguns. Depending on how the court is feeling on any given day. Further proof that Vermont is the best.
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tweet removed Edit: This is from 2014. I'm leaving it here because others have already quoted but this is an old article. RevKrule fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Not enough. I hope he gets TB.
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RevKrule posted:https://twitter.com/ToriNicksWho/status/915998362498928640 Such is the price for getting away with murder.
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RevKrule posted:https://twitter.com/ToriNicksWho/status/915998362498928640 Is it me or did his face shrink?
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Office Pig posted:Is it me or did his face shrink? Hes getting fatter.
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RevKrule posted:https://twitter.com/ToriNicksWho/status/915998362498928640 quote:"Honestly, I [would] love to live a calm life without being in the press. I’d like [to be treated like] any American citizen — have a ticket ... or an argument ... [and] not have everyone aware," he said. "But that ... that's my life and I do not understand why that is, but I'm living my life as I have always lived, " he said. Gee, I wonder...
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Mustached Demon posted:Such is the price for murdering an unarmed child and being given $433,000 for it. Fixed that for you. edit: Found a more recent figure. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Skyweir posted:I really do not understand Americans. Don't assume we are civilized.
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RevKrule posted:https://twitter.com/ToriNicksWho/status/915998362498928640 Just an FYI, the linked article is not exactly hot of the presses (February, 2014). E: Quoted the wrong poster.
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Tarantula posted:But I don't even see gun control advocates bring it up, it seems like a glaring issue, which if addressed could maybe lead to positive change? The court has spoken on this in, of course, a controversial 5-4 decision. The amendment is so badly written that its not clear which side is correct. On the right (the side the court endorsed), a "militia" at the time the document was written, was every able-bodied man who owns a gun in the community, which is something you need at that old time if the town needs to round up a posse to defend the town, go after native americans, hang a horse thief, or whatever. There is some limited support for this, but its not definitive. If you accept this definition, then the militia clause is merely an explanation that has no legal meaning. We don't usually have those in our laws or amendments, we normally want every word to be legally important. The left rejects that definition and insists on the modern one (especially since "well regulated" is in the amendment), where a militia is some kind of uniformed military-like unit with a chain of command. If this is correct, then the amendment only guarantees a collective right where each state is allowed to organize their own little military units (aka the national guard). No matter which side is correct or which side you believe in, we all agree that the 2nd amendment is the most loving terribly-written and confusing thing in the entire constitution. Every year schoolchildren learning about the constitution look up at their teacher and go "what the gently caress is this?" when they get to #2 Rigel fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Rigel posted:The court has spoken on this in, of course, a controversial 5-4 decision. Nah, the Third Amendment is more of a shitshow. 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all headliners. The third is this random rear end poo poo.
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Xae posted:Nah, the Third Amendment is more of a shitshow. 3rd amendment is not really confusing, though. Its useless, but we're not confused about its meaning.
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Falstaff posted:Just an FYI, the linked article is not exactly hot of the presses (February, 2014). Yup. gently caress. I saw the tweet date and didn't see the article date. My bad on that.
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