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Rabid Snake posted:Glad you didn't get a 8700k to flip then So if Microcenter makes it up to $500 it's fine, but if I price match it, buy one from them and mark it up to $500, that's bad?
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Cygni posted:yes I guess capitalism sucks then.
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VulgarandStupid posted:So if Microcenter makes it up to $500 it's fine, but if I price match it, buy one from them and mark it up to $500, that's bad? Are you stupid? Of course its bad. Are you going to let the person who buys it price match? This isn't capitalism it's just scalping. Its just as bad as people who do it with limited edition shoes. Let it go to people who are actually going to use the item. Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 00:27
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Rabid Snake posted:Are you that stupid? Of course its bad. Are you going to let the person who buys it price match? *plugs ears while screaming SUPPLY AND DEMAND! SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!*
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Oct 6, 2017 00:37
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this is the dumbest slap-fight
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Don Lapre posted:Call them and get it resolved. Your CC probably declined it. It was successfully charged, both per NewEgg and my credit card, a day before I even checked... It's all good now, but I am very much not impressed with their communication. ohgodwhat fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 00:42
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dud root posted:No 6700k in any of the review comparisons Yeah I noticed this too but I think the 6700K is only about 5% slower than the 7700K at stock speeds (if that)
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You've been able to get to ~5Ghz for a long time too with Skylake and Kabylake too, especially if you were willing to delid and/or deal with crazy temps. The big thing here to me is 6 cores for less money from Intel which is nice. Worthwhile to upgrade to if you have Sandybridge still but not really a game changer if you got a Haswell or newer chip since per core/clock performance didn't really change at all.
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WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:this is the dumbest slap-fight thanks caller, appreciate your input. PC LOAD LETTER posted:You've been able to get to ~5Ghz for a long time too with Skylake and Kabylake too, especially if you were willing to delid and/or deal with crazy temps. I want to delid my Skylake once I get my hands on a 8700k. I don't want to be screwed without a PC if I boink the operation. My temps are already high for a 6700k only overclocked to 4.5. It hits 80-90C no matter which heatsink I put on it. I'm sure a delid will drop the temperatures by a lot Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:I guess capitalism sucks then. yes
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Looks like some Microcenters still have 8700s in stock. Orange County, Denver, Detroit and Twin Cities.
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I'm getting massive GCN 1.0 vs Kepler vibes again, where AMD stuff people actually buy in any meaningful quantity would be steadily pushed back to the $200 and below mark. I for one won't hesitate to take a $300 8700NK over a $200 1700 non-X.
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Jesus, guy drove 11 hours to get a loving 8700k https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/74k8af/i_got_one_an_11_hour_road_trip_and_how_not_all/
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Palladium posted:I'm getting massive GCN 1.0 vs Kepler vibes again More people are price sensitive than performance needy right now and ~$210 for a AMD R5 1600 is a drat good value buy against a ~$300 i7 8700, especially given the price of a good GPU + monitor where you're dollar is going to go farther anyways in terms of PC experience. In terms of OEM sales and servers that performance vs cost bang for your buck factor is still going to matter a heck of a lot and AMD is going to continue to increase marketshare there without even getting their APU's out yet for the notebook market which will help their revenues lots. Yeah they'll have had to drop their ASP's a bit more I bet with current chips to keep momentum on sales but they're still going to be doing clearly heaps better than they were with the BD based chips so your vibes seem off to say the least to me.
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8700K looks like (nearly) a no-compromise upgrade for i7 920. TIM is bad but what can you do, use an old rear end cpu forever? I was a bit late with ordering so I have to wait for the cpu for an unknown amount of time. Single or dual rank memory? 4x8 or 2x16? 3200mhz cl14 g.skill or something slower/faster? Dunno about what kind of memory would be good on Intel platforms.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Why? CFL is Kabylake/Skylake IPC with 2x extra cores and, in practical terms, 200-300Mhz more OC potential without dealing with ~90C temps or a delid. There is a performance advantage there but its not all that big for most things that people care about (ie. gamez & internets) here or anywhere. These would all be good points, except the 8400 exists at $189. It basically makes the entire R5 lineup a bad-buy at their current prices, and essentially makes the consumer computer recommendation a two-tier discussion: Are you building a PC and want to spend a normal amount? Buy a 8400. Are you a money bags? Consider an 8700NK or K... or just get an 8400. It's probably the most disruptive CPU from a value perspective in a while.
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Ihmemies posted:8700K looks like (nearly) a no-compromise upgrade for i7 920. TIM is bad but what can you do, use an old rear end cpu forever? I was a bit late with ordering so I have to wait for the cpu for an unknown amount of time. Of course it is, that is a 45nm processor released 9 years ago
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Oct 6, 2017 04:34
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Unless my 2500K rig goes kaput or a game I want to play comes out that simply won't run on it at all (meaning the game requires more that four cores/threads) I'm not upgrading yet.
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[quote="“spasticColon”" post="“477103705”"] Unless my 2500K rig goes kaput or a game I want to play comes out that simply won’t run on it at all (meaning the game requires more that four cores/threads) I’m not upgrading yet. [/quote]  I think I will build a low(ish) power consumption NAS box instead, actually kind of thinking about one of the AMD 4 cores.
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Cygni posted:These would all be good points, except the 8400 exists at $189. Cygni posted:It's probably the most disruptive CPU from a value perspective in a while.
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priznat posted:
Overkill. Just use a kady lake 4 thread pentium dual core.
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Don Lapre posted:Overkill. Just use a kady lake 4 thread pentium dual core. It definitely is but I kind of want to build an AMD for a change even if it won't be a worthy game replacement for my 2500k. I will check out the KL pentiums though, good option.
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8400 comes with an HSF, and beats even an overclocked R5 1400 in like every single test ive seen. Hell, it beats an 1800X in most stuff that isnt Civ or cinebench. But buy whatcha want man, i dont own either of em.
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hitze posted:Looks like some Microcenters still have 8700s in stock. Orange County, Denver, Detroit and Twin Cities. When in doubt, it seems like Detroit *always* has *everything* in stock. They were the last store to go out of stock on the 1TB 960 EVOs. Detroit be poor.
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Would the i7 k or non k be worth it over the i5 k or non k if you're just playing the vidya games? I'm on a 3570k, and still probably build for 6mo unless my computer melts
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Worth 70$ extra? Not unless you enjoy tinkering with your setup. The couple 100 MHz are not worth the headache anymore imho. In a couple of months you should also be able to buy a cheaper H370 board, and an even more attractively clocked i5-8500 god willing. sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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the 8400 is an attractive buy and probably the only one purchasable after the stock for all the ks and 65w-8700s are snapped up for a couple weeks
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the 8400 is an attractive buy and probably the only one purchasable after the stock for all the ks and 65w-8700s are snapped up for a couple weeks I'd like to see benchmarks for it on an H370, or at least with the RAM speeds lowered to 2666. That's where the real value is going to be, saving money on a cheap motherboard and slightly cheaper RAM. VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Cygni posted:8400 comes with an HSF, and beats even an overclocked R5 1400 in like every single test ive seen. Hell, it beats an 1800X in most stuff that isnt Civ or cinebench. But buy whatcha want man, i dont own either of em. You too can buy what you want, my comments were in response to what seemed to me to be fairly hyperbolic statements.
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Also Z370 mainboards are generally more expensive than B350 ones so the entire "waah Ryzen is of no value anymore" thing some guys here have going on is really ridiculous.
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orcane posted:Also Z370 mainboards are generally more expensive than B350 ones so the entire "waah Ryzen is of no value anymore" thing some guys here have going on is really ridiculous. Unfortunately Ryzen almost requires faster RAM and the QVL/AMD certified stuff may be more expensive. We also haven't seen any H370 pricing yet or Coffee Lake performance with only 2666mhz RAM, so it's hard to draw absolute conclusions. VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:We also haven't seen any H370 pricing yet or Coffee Lake performance with only 2666mhz RAM, so it's hard to draw absolute conclusions. A bunch of the reviews used 2666. Anandtech, for example, always uses the highest officially supported frequency and nothing else. https://www.anandtech.com/show/11859/the-anandtech-coffee-lake-review-8700k-and-8400-initial-numbers/5
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I'm running a 4790K and I've got upgrade fever! Now if I can just find an 8700NK or 8400 here 
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priznat posted:
R5 4/8 is one thing, but R3 4/4 offers no tangible benefit to your low-load media box than simply buying used Haswell.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Unfortunately Ryzen almost requires faster RAM and the QVL/AMD certified stuff may be more expensive. And by a bit I mean $2-3 for the 16GB kits of dual channel stuff. It hasn't been a big issue running at that speed for most since at least AGESA 1.0.0.4a and most mobo vendors had that update out for their BIOS'es since late April/early May. Typically a bump to vCore or vSoC/DRAM will make even the "Intel only just for X99/Z170/etc." stuff work at those speeds on Ryzen.
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priznat posted:
Why wouldn't you take advantage of one of those $329 Dell T30s with the four-core Xeons?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Why wouldn't you take advantage of one of those $329 Dell T30s with the four-core Xeons? They disabled the functioning M.2 slot with a bios update 
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Ihmemies posted:They disabled the functioning M.2 slot with a bios update Wow, you're right. Strange move but I see you can update to fix the Intel remote management vulnerability and retain that through a BIOS downgrade to restore M.2 functionality. on a different note...
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dud root posted:No 6700k in any of the review comparisons The joke is that it is in all of them... they're essentially Skylake anyway
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