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Corrode posted:And having just talked about reasonable people in 40k, a guy on our club Facebook has posted looking for a game and ended with 'I WILL not fight a Codex army until my Orks get one.' I mean he's phrasing it like a tool, but I sort of agree from the other side, I'm going to hold off on using my Death Guard in my group for a while because they're stomping all over people without a codex.
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Perhaps Games Workshop should strongly consider not charging nearly the cost of a squad of basic dudes for a single character model that cannot even be posed or customized in any meaningful way if it wants to reduce the spread of dudes in China making counterfeit for a fraction of the price and near-identical quality
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ro5s posted:I mean he's phrasing it like a tool, but I sort of agree from the other side, I'm going to hold off on using my Death Guard in my group for a while because they're stomping all over people without a codex. Most of the people at my shop don't have multiple armies ready to go so I would never presume to ask someone not to play with their poo poo just because they happened to get a codex already. Ultimately, I just want to throw dice and have fun and make up funny stories about how my dudes are bravely dying.
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goose willis posted:Perhaps Games Workshop should strongly consider not charging nearly the cost of a squad of basic dudes for a single character model that cannot even be posed or customized in any meaningful way if it wants to reduce the spread of dudes in China making counterfeit for a fraction of the price and near-identical quality They don't care. Whatever the recast market, they've done the numbers and have set the price point accordingly. IMO the only way GW would reduce prices is if technology caught up to the point where 3D printing could replicate the results at the consumer level. In other words desktop printers capable of making GW quality models. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in less than a decade.
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Oct 6, 2017 13:11
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I don't think "if you don't want people to steal your stuff then you should sell it for cheaper" is ever a valid argument for non-essential goods. This poo poo is as "luxury item" as it gets, but by all means pretend you're entitled to play warhammer and rationalize away.
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Oct 6, 2017 13:21
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bonds0097 posted:I don't think "if you don't want people to steal your stuff then you should sell it for cheaper" is ever a valid argument for non-essential goods. Counterpoint: the music industry, pre Napster.
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There's also a lot to be said about selling $25 figures that can be converted from $2 ones. Acolyte Iconward, I'm looking right at you.
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I gotta say, the new Mortarion model goes together extremely nicely. I managed to build mine in about 2 hours. Now I just have to finish my hobby commitment of painting the rest of my Sylvaneth for Armies on Parade so I can get started on painting him. 
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Corrode posted:And having just talked about reasonable people in 40k, a guy on our club Facebook has posted looking for a game and ended with 'I WILL not fight a Codex army until my Orks get one.' Eh, I feel him. The Index is missing a bunch of the Orks' iconic stuff. It's why I'm painting Biglys right now, I'd feel the same about running Space Wolves until they get their codex.
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Liquid Communism posted:Eh, I feel him. The Index is missing a bunch of the Orks' iconic stuff. It's why I'm painting Biglys right now, I'd feel the same about running Space Wolves until they get their codex. Orks are awesome and he's dumb for refusing to play more popular armies.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Counterpoint: the music industry, pre Napster. Yeah the music industry is doing real great right now too
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GW could handily reduce their prices in Australia by even 30%, and still be in the realm of 'charging an inordinate mark up'.
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Aren't their Aus prices the fault of import costs and local taxes though? Reducing the price would cut into their profits. Also GW will absolutely not reduce their existing prices because it would harm their prestige.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:GW could handily reduce their prices in Australia by even 30%, and still be in the realm of 'charging an inordinate mark up'. This I agree with, though. GW prices poo poo in Australia like they don't even want people there to buy it
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moths posted:Honestly I think recasts are at a good, beneficial place right now for GW. And consider the fact that the EU paid for a study to prove why piracy is harmful to content owners, and then suppressed it when the report stated that not only was piracy not found to be harmful, it actually increased legal consumption. I'm not gonna lie - I've got recasts, and every one is something that I wouldn't have spent the money on otherwise. But to counter that, I have way too many thousands of dollars in legit stuff sitting on shelves in my basement, and, God help me, I keep buying more... Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Aren't their Aus prices the fault of import costs and local taxes though? Reducing the price would cut into their profits.
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Strobe posted:If you think the minimum wage in Australia affects the cost of a miniature produced in the UK then Distribution costs exist
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Strobe posted:If you think the minimum wage in Australia affects the cost of a miniature produced in the UK then I'm sorry - you don't have to store stock or pay people to staff stores in Australia? My bad. You probably also think an iPhone should cost like $190, because that's the combined cost of the parts, right?
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Most distribution jobs aren't minimum wage. Granted, I don't work distribution in Australia so there's admittedly some speculation in there. Minimum wage in manual labor trends toward performance hindering high employee turnover. If that has even a 2-3% effect on the bottom line I'd be shocked. It sure as gently caress isn't why prices are literally doubled.
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berzerkmonkey posted:And consider the fact that the EU paid for a study to prove why piracy is harmful to content owners, and then suppressed it when the report stated that not only was piracy not found to be harmful, it actually increased legal consumption. I am dying to see this study. I stopped pirating games a while back, but Rockstar owes me  for Max Payne 3 because after I paid them money, they assumed I was a thief and blocked me from running it with some malware DRM horseshit. I don't have to hold a goddamn seance to contact Ray Croc to ask permission to eat a burger I bought, and I don't have to ask mommy DRM server for permission to use the software I bought. Eat infinite dicks.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I'm sorry - you don't have to store stock or pay people to staff stores in Australia? My bad. I don't know the economics exactly, there is about a difference of 22 Australian dollars between the US and Australia for a pack of Primaris whatevers. Or 10 AUD for the Primaris Captain. These are the two first things I clicked on to check. Our sales tax is only 10%. That is unless the GW website lists both in American dollars, in which case it's 38 and 15 dollars respectively. So if they were just keeping the price up to not undercut their brick and mortar stores (which do need to pay outrageous rents) it would make sense to charge that premium. Everything in Australia is more expensive for whatever reason. It was far more egregious when they didn't account for our strong dollar. When we were getting something 1.10 USD for every AUD they (like every other company) didn't adjust it downwards to compensate.
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I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime.
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Lord Windy posted:I don't know the economics exactly, there is about a difference of 22 Australian dollars between the US and Australia for a pack of Primaris whatevers. Or 10 AUD for the Primaris Captain. These are the two first things I clicked on to check. Our sales tax is only 10%. That is unless the GW website lists both in American dollars, in which case it's 38 and 15 dollars respectively. Should compare it to the UK prices, since the US is inflated as well just not to the same extent. Primaris librarian UK: 22.50 GBP ($29.38 USD, $37.89 AUD) US price: $35 AUD price: $60 Considering minimum wage is way lower in the US than the UK and import wouldn't be very high, those arguments don't really work here.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:I am dying to see this study. I stopped pirating games a while back, but Rockstar owes me Gizmodo article The site of the German Parliamentary member who brought the study to light (she has a link to the study.) ANAmal.net posted:I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime. chutche2 posted:Should compare it to the UK prices, since the US is inflated as well just not to the same extent. No, but there are transportation costs and import fees. There is a difference between casting up a Primaris at GW HQ and tossing it into a truck for delivery 100 miles away vs. having to secure a shipping container, cargo space, port fees, import taxes, etc. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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ANAmal.net posted:I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime. In the context of a heist it is 
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ANAmal.net posted:I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime. I thought that was arson? Man, if not, I gotta make some changes to my life.
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ANAmal.net posted:I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime. I don't lose sleep over GW losing money to recasts/piracy, but it's also denying money to FLGSs which sucks.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Gizmodo article Sure, but on the other hand the overhead once it actually is in the US is going to be a lot cheaper than running stores in the UK is. Anyway, a 20% price hike isn't too terrible.
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Back in the day, my main justifications for pirating specifically FW stuff was that A) It was overpriced and GW was the current devil, B) It wasn't available in local stores so I wasn't hurting FLGSs, and C) Recasts were better quality than real FW anyway. Now A and C are less true, so I haven't bought any recasts since I have been back in the game.
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mango sentinel posted:I don't lose sleep over GW losing money to recasts/piracy, but it's also denying money to FLGSs which sucks. Yeah I've never gotten a recast of anything that I could've ordered at my FLGS. Half my poo poo is bought second hand but I buy a lot of new product from my store. FW doesn't inflate prices beyond their usual inflated prices for selling to the US at least, and I've bought a good bit of my FW stuff legitly.
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Yeah I put orders through my store specifically to support them. I could get it marginally cheaper online, but it's less hassle to have it from the shop and I want them to stay in business so I have somewhere with a great gaming set-up. Plus the owner is a good dude. Glad I didn't support the previous shop which turned out to be owned by a rapist, though.
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My store gives you 15% off if you pre-pay on special ordering stock they don't currently have, which is really nice. Sometimes they don't actually order it for weeks though but it's rarely something I'm in a hurry on.
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mango sentinel posted:I don't lose sleep over GW losing money to recasts/piracy, but it's also denying money to FLGSs which sucks. That's assuming your local FGLS will order FW stuff, so there's that. Mine doesn't.
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ANAmal.net posted:I think we can all agree that stealing is the coolest crime.  "The Children will be really happy to hear you say that! The things we 'steal' you're not even using!"
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bonds0097 posted:I don't think "if you don't want people to steal your stuff then you should sell it for cheaper" is ever a valid argument for non-essential goods. This poo poo is as "luxury item" as it gets, but by all means pretend you're entitled to play warhammer and rationalize away. This post is retarded.
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Maybe it's because I haven't played in forever, but I don't understand how to structure my army for detachments and all that stuff. BACK IN MY DAY you just needed an HQ and two troops. I'm trying to play Night Lords, I have bikes and a lord and a sorcerer, some chosen, a squad of normal marines, and a bunch of raptors. I don't know how to make it so I get more command points or whatever, or so it's legal. I just don't know where to start to make a legal list.
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If you have your 1 HQ and 2 troops, you have a patrol detachment. You can add to that but you only have 3 command points. With 2 HQ and 3 troops, you're up to a battalion. 6 command points and adding on from there.
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ijyt posted:This post is retarded. Actually you should feel ashamed if you don't proudly pay MSRP at your local Warhammer(tm) store for your space man dollies. This is how us in the landed gentry while away our days while the peasants toil in our fields, and we disrespect both the sweat of their labor and the gravity of our station if we go online and buy the same thing for a fraction of the cost.
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downtimejesus posted:Maybe it's because I haven't played in forever, but I don't understand how to structure my army for detachments and all that stuff. BACK IN MY DAY you just needed an HQ and two troops. I'm trying to play Night Lords, I have bikes and a lord and a sorcerer, some chosen, a squad of normal marines, and a bunch of raptors. I don't know how to make it so I get more command points or whatever, or so it's legal. What format are you building for? Friendlies, or a Tournament, or what? For friendlies just take whatever you want and discuss with your opponent what's appropriate for the scenario you're playing. If you want to go Battleforged (to gain access to Command Points) it's still quite simple:
In your case, assuming you have no other units, you can use a Patrol Detachment plus an Auxillary: Patrol: 2 HQs (Lord & Sorceror) 1 Troops (Chaos Marines) 1 Elite (Chosen) 1 Fast Attack (Bikes) Auxillary: 1 Fast Attack (Raptors) True this only gives you 2 CP (none for the Patrol and -1 from the Auxillary) but it's Battle Forged.
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