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Alaois posted:i brutally, unforgivingly bully Griffin McElroy every day of his life by standing outside his bedroom window at 4 AM hollering "PLAY APOCALYPSE WORLD ON THE ADVENTURE ZONE, YOU COWARD." until the cops show up Same, but with the Star Wars RPG
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The quintessential Justin McElroy experience is his team frantically looting a seaside village as a horde of intelligent zombies hunt them down and in the background Justin performs Boat Drinks without a care in the world.
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Oct 6, 2017 11:00
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Justin "Hoops" McElroy is awesome basically.
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Oct 6, 2017 11:48
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What was the graphic novel debacle?
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Oct 6, 2017 12:02
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What was the graphic novel debacle? http://theadventurezone.tumblr.com/post/161367685782/on-the-adventure-zone-graphic-novel-blue-taako basically a combination of disappointment that taako was depicted as blue instead of say brown, and then people trying to tie blue taako to anti-semitic caricatures of jews having green skin.
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Oct 6, 2017 12:15
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If you don't like the characters for this arc you can just bounce for a month or two from the podcast. It's not that big of a deal.
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Oct 6, 2017 12:30
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dogsicle posted:http://theadventurezone.tumblr.com/post/161367685782/on-the-adventure-zone-graphic-novel-blue-taako Jesus christ. I consider myself very accepting, but holy gently caress, nerds... Get off the internet for a while, maybe.
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Oct 6, 2017 12:54
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Griff does git a bit pushy in the creation phase, but all 4 of the dudes are pretty trained on him being the leader. Hope he can wind it down a bit and take it easy.
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Oct 6, 2017 13:33
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SoupyTwist posted:It was really dumb of Travis to shoehorn in “thinks Remy is a failure” into his character intro. Save character dynamics like that for the actual role play, dude! also going back to this, part of creating a character in FATE is creating an aspect that is directly linked to how you feel about the other characters in the group. he didn't "shoehorn" in anything, he was literally just doing what the game has you do.
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Oct 6, 2017 13:53
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What bothered me about this episode, wasn't so much Griffin being a baby about how Travis' character interacts with his, but more so that was still directing traffic. He was the one asking the table questions about how that will interact with the world, and even guiding his dad on when to talk and when not to. Felt like the dude was DMing the show even though he isn't the DM, and it just felt overbearing. I was used to Griffin talking for 70% of episodes when he was DMing (although there was too much monologuing for my taste) but now there's no justification for how much i had to listen to him in this episode. Justin is still the bomb and has the most interesting role playing concepts.
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Oct 6, 2017 14:31
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Mikey Purp posted:It did seem kind of weird to me to "hard code" character conflicts into the characters. SoupyTwist posted:It was really dumb of Travis to shoehorn in “thinks Remy is a failure” into his character intro. Save character dynamics like that for the actual role play, dude! Alaois posted:also going back to this, part of creating a character in FATE is creating an aspect that is directly linked to how you feel about the other characters in the group. he didn't "shoehorn" in anything, he was literally just doing what the game has you do. It also seems like Griffin was a bit crestfallen that the other brothers adapted the rules of the skills/powers to suit their needs while he basically went vanilla. Maybe on the next one-shot he'll feel a little more loosey-goosey in that sense. But then again, seems like there's always one player in every group who wants things as close to the rules as written as possible.
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Oct 6, 2017 14:49
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Yeah a lot of "I didn't see that skill" "Well I created it the book says skill names are just a guideline." "...oh"
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Oct 6, 2017 14:52
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Which is the right way to go, for this kind of thing, but I don't think Griffin got the memo. It's a super common design feature in supers TT games. Like I said, it's one-shots so he'll get another try at chargen soon enough.
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Usually coming up with a new skill is something that you collaborate on. Fate games can be defined by the skill lists. Like Fate Core is very different from Atomic Robo Fate (which is what Travis and Justin's characters would work better in) and that's due in part to a radically different skill list.
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I don't know FATE that well, but from the podcast, it's not so much that Travis devised new skills/powers, just reskinned them. Justin's dual aspect thing I'm not sure is mechanically supported but it seems like it should be in a supers game. e: Oh, right, FATE is Fudge-based. Man, it's been a while since I've seen that one. Kenny Logins fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 14:58
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yea I think Travis misunderstood that bit because it does say 'just make your own label if it works well' but it also says 'work with your GM and group to do it'. I think he was just used to D&D's very rigid system and saw 'or make your own if you need to' and thought 'sweet a bit of time to be a little creative with my character for a change'.
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Kenny Logins posted:Which is the right way to go, for this kind of thing, but I don't think Griffin got the memo. It's a super common design feature in supers TT games. Like I said, it's one-shots so he'll get another try at chargen soon enough. IIRC, Griffin's playing experience prior to TAZ was D&D 3.5, a system where every drat action you can think of is hard coded into the rules, so there's a good chance that's still lingering in his player mindset
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Oct 6, 2017 15:14
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actually on that note lets lay off Griffin for a second to drag Travis for that Science! bullshit, that poo poo is so 2007
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Oct 6, 2017 15:14
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Because these guys have been a stickler for the rules so far. My opinion should be Clint should just adjust his battle tactic. To me this is like a game of blackjack where the dealer can always see your hand. He can make it as hard or easy as he wants. I just hope he realizes how much influence on the progression of story vs action he has.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:17
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Alaois posted:actually on that note lets lay off Griffin for a second to drag Travis for that Science! bullshit, that poo poo is so 2007 No, I'm pretty sure superheroes still fight using gadgets even today. Some of them build whole suits out of gadgets, even!
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Oct 6, 2017 15:19
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It felt like maybe they should have done more discussion beforehand because it seemed like Clint just said "superhero game" and the boys brought traditional characters not knowing what an odd setup Clint had in mind.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:20
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Who What Now posted:No, I'm pretty sure superheroes still fight using gadgets even today. Some of them build whole suits out of gadgets, even! you dense fucker. you absolute moron. you loving imbecile.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:22
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Who What Now posted:No, I'm pretty sure superheroes still fight using gadgets even today. Some of them build whole suits out of gadgets, even! thank you xkcd guy
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Kenny Logins posted:I don't know FATE that well, but from the podcast, it's not so much that Travis devised new skills/powers, just reskinned them. I would have done it just by having Kadala (?) as an aspect, and any scene where Irene is transformed gets the aspect bonus on the things Kadala is good at. This way will probably work fine though, it's just a little more bookkeeping.
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Alaois posted:i brutally, unforgivingly bully Griffin McElroy every day of his life by standing outside his bedroom window at 4 AM hollering "PLAY APOCALYPSE WORLD ON THE ADVENTURE ZONE, YOU COWARD." until the cops show up Who among us isn’t guilty of this, though?
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Ariong posted:Who among us isn’t guilty of this, though? I'm not, and I would never do such a thing. I tell him to play Dark Heresy, not Apocalypse World.
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Oct 6, 2017 16:07
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Mikey Purp posted:Right, a hyper vocal, demanding fandom couldn't possibly hold sway over a group of Grown rear end Men I don't think you can add anybody to The Adventure Zone without breaking the family vibe. "You can't say that, you're my DAD!" doesn't work as well if one of the people present isn't somebody who's known Clint for thirty-something years. e: Has anybody listened to Wonderful! recently? Have they found a through-line? Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 16:46
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I remember them joking about furries in like, episode 30 and apologizing the next episode but I don't recall them ever doing jokes about transpeople. I have missed about 100 episodes somewhere in the middle though.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Seriously, they've been doing this for seven years, they've been trying to become better people on MBMBaM for many of those years, and they've been trying to make all their products kinder, more representative, and more inclusive. They did this in part because the fanbase complained to MBMBaM about being rude to furries, transpeople, and the like. "Let's try to be decent" is part of the brothers (and Clint's) core brand, and if they're overreacting to some fan demands at least it means they're listening to the people who have a legitimate gripe. That's one of the things the audience is there for, the sense that the McElroys want to try to include and be considerate of everybody. The point you are trying to make is exactly why I made the qualification which you struck through. MBMBaM is popular and has been for a long time, but TAZ became 2-3 times more popular than MBMBaM within a number of months. Not only is the audience bigger, but they are more directly attached and involved with the "universe." You have to recognize that fans of a goof-filled talk show podcast interact with the content in a different way than fans of a fiction podcast with rich characters do. They are definitely walking on eggshells and that while there's certainly an aspect of them just being genuinely nice and considerate people, a big part of it is also a reaction caused by the backlash they've gotten in the past. Not to say that they are or should stop being careful, but just that it can definitely hamstring them to continue operating under the assumption that they can please all the people all the time when the fandom has grown so large and attached to the content. To me, the main problem with being conscious of and reactive to "legitimate gripes" is that their idea of legitimacy may be a little too inclusive. Case in point that whole blue Takko thing...the brothers probably took that seriously into account and were affected by it emotionally, and I'm sorry but it was complete poo poo and they shouldn't have to feel bad about that. Mikey Purp fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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https://fate-srd.com/fate-core/basics This might a good resource for anyone who wants to know a bit more about how the FATE system works. http://theadventurezone.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Commitment_PCs This category has write-ups for the 3 characters, including their superpowers and stunts.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:27
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I remember them joking about furries in like, episode 30 and apologizing the next episode but I don't recall them ever doing jokes about transpeople. I have missed about 100 episodes somewhere in the middle though.
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Mikey Purp posted:. or the "legitimate gripe" that the character named after/obsessed with mexican food wasn't represented as latinx. talk about tone deafness.
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My parents named me the same thing as a predominantly black musical group when they knew I was white. Couple of racists. Sudden Loud Noise fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Oct 6, 2017 17:57
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:My parents named me after a predominantly black musical group when they knew I was white. Whatever you say, Jackson 5.
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Who What Now posted:Whatever you say, Jackson 5. Wow, racist much? -Fat Killah
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Oct 6, 2017 18:02
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hot take, I think it's good that the McElboys stopped saying things like "man up" but think it's bad that they had to write a novella apologizing for the perceived ancient anti-Semitism in having a character in a fantasy story be blue or green or whatever
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Serf posted:It felt like maybe they should have done more discussion beforehand because it seemed like Clint just said "superhero game" and the boys brought traditional characters not knowing what an odd setup Clint had in mind. It could have been worse, one of them could have made a genius gorilla or a space alien character or something.
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The Berzerker posted:hot take, I think it's good that the McElboys stopped saying things like "man up" but think it's bad that they had to write a novella apologizing for the perceived ancient anti-Semitism in having a character in a fantasy story be blue or green or whatever McElroys are still haven't given us the full truth about (((Taako))) and the heavy amount of Masonic imagery surrounding his character.
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Oct 6, 2017 18:54
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Hey, let's not do the parenthesis thing, even as a joke, okay?
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Those are taco shells
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