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Bakeneko posted:Laci Green made a mistake in not understanding the sarcasm of that tweet, but what Zinnia had said before that in complete sincerity is still really awful. The idea that people can and should “work through” a lack of sexual attraction to a specific group is the same kind of bullshit that you’d hear at a gay conversion camp, which is exactly the point Laci was trying to make. Its uh Its not really the same at all
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Bakeneko posted:Laci Green made a mistake in not understanding the sarcasm of that tweet, but what Zinnia had said before that in complete sincerity is still really awful. The idea that people can and should “work through” a lack of sexual attraction to a specific group is the same kind of bullshit that you’d hear at a gay conversion camp, which is exactly the point Laci was trying to make. you, uh, do know the contexts for that question right? Because it literally was predicated on 'I have sexual attraction to my partner'.
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sexpig by night posted:you, uh, do know the contexts for that question right? Because it literally was predicated on 'I have sexual attraction to my partner'. Nah you see its literally the same as a gay conversion camp because uh
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Junpei Hyde posted:Its uh Well, obviously the circumstances are different but they both draw upon the same false notion that people can change who they’re attracted to if they try hard enough. sexpig by night posted:you, uh, do know the contexts for that question right? Because it literally was predicated on 'I have sexual attraction to my partner'. I only know the part that was quoted in the article, which certainly seemed to be saying that this is something all heterosexual men should do if they aren't attracted to pre-op trans women. Bakeneko fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 6, 2017 |
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Bakeneko posted:Well, obviously the circumstances are different but they both draw upon the same false notion that people can change who they’re attracted to if they try hard enough. I don't think you get her point tbh
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Junpei Hyde posted:I don't think you get her point tbh Can you clarify it, then?
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Bakeneko posted:Can you clarify it, then? the person literally asked 'I love my partner and am attracted to them but I have issues getting over their junk, I want to get over it, help' and she answered with 'uh man I kinda can't help you a ton there it sounds like a mental block issue, maybe just get in there and see if that helps'. Which is, as a gay guy, a bit offensive to compare to 'we're gonna shock the human being out of you' but hey, you do you.
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Bakeneko posted:Can you clarify it, then? People may be telling themselves that they don't wanna gently caress trans people due to preconceived notions born from societal biases of what genitals mean. My take from Zinnias tweets was that she felt people should have a deeper think about their tastes beyond just "this person has a penis so nah" as the effective default, not that people who just aren't into the dick need to be mass converted.
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Ah ok this isn't a belief that's been pushed by certain branches of the trans community, my bad! I guess that Riley Dennis video where she says that you're a bigot if you don't want to date trans people and that you can "unlearn" your preferences was just faked because the anti-SJW folk were running out of material to riff on. Joke Zinnia Jones tweet or not, the point remains.
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If you don't want to date a certain group of people it'll make you look like a bigot tho?
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Kim Justice posted:Riley Dennis video where she says that you're a bigot if you don't want to date trans people I'm not seeing the error here.
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Oct 6, 2017 23:18
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So is it bigoted to not wanna date black people??? (Yes)
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again it literally wasn't even about that, the asker explicitly said they were attracted to their partner, but yes Laci also turned it to the "OH SO WHAT PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE PREFERENCES" way, just like she turned right to "I CAN'T BELIEVE FEMINISTS WOULD SAY I, A WOMAN, AM BEING A BIGOT, NICE FEMINISM BROS" and all the other poo poo every other very boring woman like her who gets alt-right love does.
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sexpig by night posted:the person literally asked 'I love my partner and am attracted to them but I have issues getting over their junk, I want to get over it, help' and she answered with 'uh man I kinda can't help you a ton there it sounds like a mental block issue, maybe just get in there and see if that helps'. Okay, in that context, with someone actively wanting their own sexual preference changed, its not a problem. Although I'd still say it's not possible but whatever.
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Guys, we all have our preferences and they're pretty much hardcoded in. And saying that it's the same as not wanting to date a black person is spurious as hell...like, there's so many factors you've not considered. What about starting a family, say? Maybe someone wants a kid, they'd like to be a biological father or something along those lines...we trans women can't provide that because we don't have uteruses. You don't get that in other cases... As much as I'm sure things would be great if everyone had a degree of attraction to everyone else, that's just not the way things work. Some people are attracted to us (You know what type of porn is just about as popular as straight porn?), some people are not. Physical attraction...it's not that deep. And to say that not being attracted to a certain someone makes you a transphobe, or a homophobe, or a racist...sorry, that's just completely ridiculous.
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I'm afraid I don't really agree with your point. I feel that if your reason for not dating someone is "they're in X group" then you prooooob have some biases against that group
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Oct 6, 2017 23:37
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It's like a contest to see who's the most tolerant person.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's like a contest to see who's the most tolerant person. I already won tho
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Junpei Hyde posted:I'm afraid I don't really agree with your point. I feel that if your reason for not dating someone is "they're in X group" then you prooooob have some biases against that group If this extended to not wanting to be friends with said someone or not wanting to interact with them in any way, I'd be in agreement with you about those biases. But physical attraction is not something that can just be controlled like that because so much of it is subconscious and hardwired. Like, there might be certain little things that will change here and there but in so many cases, you're either into something or you're not into something.
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Kim Justice posted:Guys, we all have our preferences and they're pretty much hardcoded in. And saying that it's the same as not wanting to date a black person is spurious as hell...like, there's so many factors you've not considered. What about starting a family, say? Maybe someone wants a kid, they'd like to be a biological father or something along those lines...we trans women can't provide that because we don't have uteruses. You don't get that in other cases... The fertility thing is bullshit. Outside of the fact that there are other options for raising children, you never see this being brought up with regards to cis women even though there are numerous ways a cis woman can be infertile. That it's only ever brought up in relation to trans women makes it absolutely transphobic. The attraction thing is irrelevant because no one is saying anyone should be forced to date a trans person. Just that, if someone is turned off purely because the prospective partner is trans, it might be because of deeply held transphobic views, and that the person in question should probably do some soul searching.
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Genocyber posted:The fertility thing is bullshit. Outside of the fact that there are other options for raising children, you never see this being brought up with regards to cis women even though there are numerous ways a cis woman can be infertile. That it's only ever brought up in relation to trans women makes it absolutely transphobic. This, basically.
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All I am going to say is Zinnia Jones' tweet about this stuff did lead to this bull poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsH_XA_IcA4
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Genocyber posted:The attraction thing is irrelevant because no one is saying anyone should be forced to date a trans person. Just that, if someone is turned off purely because the prospective partner is trans, it might be because of deeply held transphobic views, and that the person in question should probably do some soul searching. Nah mate, no one's forcing you to date a trans person! Just that you're probably a transphobe if you don't want to! You and Junpei would make for great conversion therapists. I'm done.
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I do not think I'd make a good conversion therapist.
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Kim Justice posted:Nah mate, no one's forcing you to date a trans person! Just that you're probably a transphobe if you don't want to! I mean, yes? In exactly the same way that someone is very likely racist if they wouldn't date a black person. These attitudes don't come from nowhere, and if you're suggesting they're purely biological constructs that just happen to exist within some people, separate from societal influences, I'd point you to that one black dude that's converted several hardcore KKK members into not being racists.
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I'm kinda glazing over this, are we seriously lumping "I don't want to date x" with "I think x should be gassed"? Thats a bit extreme isn't it? E: Like I prefer a woman a bit shorter then me. Does that mean I have some deep hatred of tall women and I secretly want to cut them off at the knees to make them shorter?
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Leal posted:I'm kinda glazing over this, are we seriously lumping "I don't want to date x" with "I think x should be gassed"? Thats a bit extreme isn't it? No, there are different levels of bigotry, and there's a clear line between those two.
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EDIT: I've been thinking about this post and I regret making it. Female infertility is a large issue in my immediate and extended family but it was entirely inappropriate of me to foist my familial/genetic baggage into this issue. I'm sorry. i am tim! fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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So how about that new Blade Runner eh? (Anything to veer off this godawful conversation ffs whenever these pop up you can see how the crowd of thread regulars disappears into the sidelines)
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Arcsquad12 posted:So how about that new Blade Runner eh? (Anything to veer off this godawful conversation ffs whenever these pop up you can see how the crowd of thread regulars disappears into the sidelines) I really wanna watch it cause I love Blade Runner, but the way my work schedule and the theatre schedule works I wont be able to see it until next week when I finally get a day off since the earliest showing is when I'm still at work and the next showing I'll be having to sleep before it finishes 
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IDK why I get involved in these debates either, they never go anywhere and only seem to fuel my suicidal depression. I'm sorry for being a poo poo person.
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https://twitter.com/lonelytiefling/status/908367292161036288 https://twitter.com/Arghdeaded/status/908370715505840128 Junpei Hyde posted:IDK why I get involved in these debates either, they never go anywhere and only seem to fuel my suicidal depression. I'm sorry for being a poo poo person. Stop following this thread. To be clear, I don't mean, "roflcopter yur dum, stop followin the thread dummas", I mean that for the the sake of your own mental health, unbookmark this thread. I did that almost a month ago, and it ended up making me feel slightly less awful about myself. I don't even know why I'm here now; I just wanted to see the thread's thoughts were on John Walker's dumb tweet about gameplay, but we stopped talking about that like two pages ago.
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Max Wilco posted:Stop following this thread. This is really good advice in general. If you find yourself reading stuff that fucks with your brain problems, get away from it ASAP and stay away long enough for things to move on. May be a day or so, may be a week, may be never in certain cases. There's no good reason to keep reading stuff that makes your depression worse. Keep away from it, and your life will be so much better. (And you will be more able to do good stuff that is actually important instead of arguing on the internet.)
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This is actually a better discussion than last time, because nobody has started going on about how Laci Green's statements were the result of her Mormon sleeper programming activating and forcing her to be a TERF
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Oct 7, 2017 03:27
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So.... the Honest Trailers guy is a creep. Most accurate thread title ever.
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Echo Chamber posted:So.... the Honest Trailers guy is a creep. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
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Echo Chamber posted:So.... the Honest Trailers guy is a creep. It should be clarified that it's not Jon Bailey aka the awesome narrator guy who's the creep, but Andy Signore, the dude who writes and edits the Honest Trailers.
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Oct 7, 2017 04:52
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Echo Chamber posted:So.... the Honest Trailers guy is a creep. I hope his life is destroyed forever and he dies in prison, at least partially because it means I'll never have to endure or hear about another Honest Trailers video.
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