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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Soonmot posted:

I still love Aberrant

And I still love Trinity.

It had some pretty good improvements over the Storyteller system... in 1997. Like fixed TNs and trying to make each attribute useful.

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Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Having played Aberrant it definitely was much better when we went from being super heroes to just people with powers. The only PC super hero was a really put upon working man with a serious gambling problem who had to be a franchise hero to keep the Super Mafia from killing his family.

Good times.

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



My mage chronicle that has forever been 'ready to start' now actually has people ready to play (still like in literal months though) but I have realised I feel like I have mis-considered an aspect of my game.

I originally wanted my game to have the Seers been just recently driven out of the city of Melbourne, with the PCs awakening in the last days of the 'hot war', and as the game starts it's a time of rebuilding and crazy projects going on and so the players could be more free to pursue their own interests.

Then I realised that there exists a giant building called Crown Entertainment Complex, housing Crown Casino, and it sits just across the river that divides the main city and poorer west side from the richer eastern side and a boulevard of tech companies and private schools.

I may need to revise from 'Seers driven out' to 'Seers entrenched in their mighty fortress'.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
James Packer and money launderers for the mafia and triads are pretty odd choices for wizards.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

rumble in the bunghole posted:

James Packer and money launderers for the mafia and triads are pretty odd choices for wizards.
That's basically the Seers in a nutshell though.

Thanqol
Feb 15, 2012

because our character has the 'poet' trait, this update shall be told in the format of a rap battle.

bewilderment posted:

My mage chronicle that has forever been 'ready to start' now actually has people ready to play (still like in literal months though) but I have realised I feel like I have mis-considered an aspect of my game.

I originally wanted my game to have the Seers been just recently driven out of the city of Melbourne, with the PCs awakening in the last days of the 'hot war', and as the game starts it's a time of rebuilding and crazy projects going on and so the players could be more free to pursue their own interests.

Then I realised that there exists a giant building called Crown Entertainment Complex, housing Crown Casino, and it sits just across the river that divides the main city and poorer west side from the richer eastern side and a boulevard of tech companies and private schools.

I may need to revise from 'Seers driven out' to 'Seers entrenched in their mighty fortress'.

They're building one in Sydney too, right next to the ugliest park ever. It's a Seer fortress in my game set there too.

Captain_Person
Apr 7, 2013

WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
In cpt_dr's game the Melbourne Consilium has its sanctum atop the Atlantis Hotel as a giant middle finger to the Seers.

Jade Mage
Jan 4, 2013

This is Canada. It snows nine months of the year, and hails the other three.

In Scion news, they sent out an email containing a preview for the entire Storypath system.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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I really like the looks of this stuff. They pared down a lot of attribute bullshit.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I'm glad that they moved more ~story-game-y~ in a lot of ways, but I'm pretty disappointed how feats of strength is still a weird prescriptive table with precise, static values that don't entirely make sense. (I can straight-up lift a two-ton car at 16, but I need 18 to flip an SUV?) The exhortation at the end of the description of feats of strength that it's "only a guide" is kind of flat when it's a 21-row table with very particular-sounding values.

Other than that, it looks like a pretty great iteration on Story* system.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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I guess their idea is that you can flip an SUV with a single one-handed shove or something.

But yeah that table is silly and dumb.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

I appreciate the Scale system in that preview for giving you a way to pretty quickly plot out relative power levels between "guy running" and "sports car" without having to go in incremental Movement Points or something with similarly absurd levels of granularity (like the uhhh STR table, come to think).

The only thing that gives me pause right now is that Combat still getting a whole other chapter implies it'll still get a WoDly disproportionate amount of rules around it, unless it's just like "roll Close-Combat + Might to do one of these 400 things, or more; roll C-C + Finesse to do one of these other 400 things, or more" and then some rules for range bands and initiative.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
I still wish that attributes and skills had materially different effects on rolls such that Int 5 Medicine 1 didn't provide the same doctoring power as Int 1 Medicine 5.

Two kind of funny goofs/inconsistencies I noticed:

* Someone with Academics 5 can know a lot of languages, but someone with Culture 5 can't
* The paragraph about sainthood has a typo or something in it such that it reads "any Momentum spent out of the black pool to add dice results in bonus dice added"

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets

Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:

I appreciate the Scale system in that preview for giving you a way to pretty quickly plot out relative power levels between "guy running" and "sports car" without having to go in incremental Movement Points or something with similarly absurd levels of granularity (like the uhhh STR table, come to think).

The only thing that gives me pause right now is that Combat still getting a whole other chapter implies it'll still get a WoDly disproportionate amount of rules around it, unless it's just like "roll Close-Combat + Might to do one of these 400 things, or more; roll C-C + Finesse to do one of these other 400 things, or more" and then some rules for range bands and initiative.

It's the latter.

Chernobyl Peace Prize
May 7, 2007

Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Dave Brookshaw posted:

It's the latter.
Yaaaaay

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets

To elaborate somewhat after clearing it with Neall - your combat roll is done like any other action, you spend attack action stunts on increasing your defence stat from its base value or inflicting injuries on your opponent. Weapons are enhancements to your attack roll, Armour is in two kinds, one of which absorbs injury conditions by damaging itself instead of you ("soft") and one of which increases the successes cost of injuries ("hard").

The Combat section of the book is a short list of actions (roll this for ranged attack, this for melee, etc) stunts (this many successes to injure them, this many successes to grapple them) and weapon/armour tables (a shotgun is this much enhancement, a bulletproof vest is this much soft armour.)

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


That frankly makes the feat of strength table all the more incongruous.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

That Old Tree posted:

That frankly makes the feat of strength table all the more incongruous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSoYCetG6A

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
Help the party is running away from each other in the lamest car chase ever. Nobody has any points in drive so they're wiping out on every turn. This is the worst.

Cool Dad
Jun 15, 2007

It is always Friday night, motherfuckers

I think you mean best.

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
"I investigate the scene of the crime!"
"Um, the crime where there are two dead werewolves that your party member shot to death while you were here like an hour ago?"
"Yeah! I got 3 successes."
"You know who did it. It was your friend Bell. Actually you remember seeing her do it. You were there."

The Unlife Aquatic
Jun 17, 2009

Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock all my doors
It's the only way to live
In cars
Your party's incompetence is truly inspiring.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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TF:V's budget got slashed just before these guys were hired.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

In a world full of hyper-competent black ops murder teams, a bunch of bumbling, naive, well-intentioned civil servants stumbling through the occult is an absolute treasure.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Dave Brookshaw posted:

To elaborate somewhat after clearing it with Neall - your combat roll is done like any other action, you spend attack action stunts on increasing your defence stat from its base value or inflicting injuries on your opponent. Weapons are enhancements to your attack roll, Armour is in two kinds, one of which absorbs injury conditions by damaging itself instead of you ("soft") and one of which increases the successes cost of injuries ("hard").

The Combat section of the book is a short list of actions (roll this for ranged attack, this for melee, etc) stunts (this many successes to injure them, this many successes to grapple them) and weapon/armour tables (a shotgun is this much enhancement, a bulletproof vest is this much soft armour.)

So is there a health track/health pool/whatever or just injury conditions that pile up as you take hits?

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
Alright, session over. They used a chained up and gagged Changeling as a key to open a Verge and enter the Shadow for the big finale.

Once on the other side they reunited with their spirit mage friend who happened to already be there. He freaked out about the "fairy" hostage and made them release her. She's angry but per the promise she made to him, she won't directly seek retribution on the party.

Next session: Final boss fight against The Hunt. They'll either all die or succeed in binding/killing/sending away this big spooky spirit.

I'll miss these guys either way.

hangedman1984
Jul 25, 2012

So my M20 group is having an...interesting problem. Recently through chain of events we ended up with a minor salt spirit as like a pet or team mascot. We are having trouble thinking of any good salt puns to use as a name though.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Nackle.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

hangedman1984 posted:

So my M20 group is having an...interesting problem. Recently through chain of events we ended up with a minor salt spirit as like a pet or team mascot. We are having trouble thinking of any good salt puns to use as a name though.

Morton.

e: alternatively, name it DarkSydePhil

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

hangedman1984 posted:

So my M20 group is having an...interesting problem. Recently through chain of events we ended up with a minor salt spirit as like a pet or team mascot. We are having trouble thinking of any good salt puns to use as a name though.
Gigi Nori.

Hattie Masters
Aug 29, 2012

COMICS CRIMINAL
Grimey Drawer

Xinder posted:

"I investigate the scene of the crime!"
"Um, the crime where there are two dead werewolves that your party member shot to death while you were here like an hour ago?"
"Yeah! I got 3 successes."
"You know who did it. It was your friend Bell. Actually you remember seeing her do it. You were there."

Just wanted to say I showed this post to my friends during our session today and we all laughed for like a good minute, whilst agreeing that it sounded like another friend of ours (who is also in our group but not in this game and is also kinda on our collective nerves at the moment)

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
It's a little unfair because I cut out the part after where she clarified she was actually trying to figure out the werewolves' motivation for attacking them and I had to sort of spell out with a text message on one of their phones that they were out for revenge because the party killed another werewolf in their pack just a few in-game days ago.

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009
So my local Hoppy shop had a garage sale this weekend where people bring old board games and stuff to sell at the store. I found a copy of Wraith the Oblivion for $2 dollars and I immediately picked it up because I've never seen a physical copy of Wraith. While I was paying for it at the counter one of the employees said they had a box of old white wolf stuff in the back if I wanted to browse through it. I said yes, but apparently its so far back in the building that only one guy knows where it is and he doesn't work on the weekends. So maybe I'll get lucky again and find something nice.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Mappo posted:

So my local Hoppy shop had a garage sale this weekend where people bring old board games and stuff to sell at the store. I found a copy of Wraith the Oblivion for $2 dollars and I immediately picked it up because I've never seen a physical copy of Wraith. While I was paying for it at the counter one of the employees said they had a box of old white wolf stuff in the back if I wanted to browse through it. I said yes, but apparently its so far back in the building that only one guy knows where it is and he doesn't work on the weekends. So maybe I'll get lucky again and find something nice.

The idea of a box full of old White Wolf stuff at a place that will sell you a copy of Wraith for $2 has me all but salivating. Let us know what you find!

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
I really wish I'd found that because I just bought a PoD copy of Wraith and it's really bad. The quality of the scan is just terrible.

I was extremely surprised because every other scanned PoD I've bought from White Wolf has been really good, to the point of being indistinguishable from the original or even better.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Mappo posted:

So my local Hoppy shop had a garage sale this weekend where people bring old board games and stuff to sell at the store. I found a copy of Wraith the Oblivion for $2 dollars and I immediately picked it up because I've never seen a physical copy of Wraith. While I was paying for it at the counter one of the employees said they had a box of old white wolf stuff in the back if I wanted to browse through it. I said yes, but apparently its so far back in the building that only one guy knows where it is and he doesn't work on the weekends. So maybe I'll get lucky again and find something nice.

Try to see if the Glow in the Dark title still works. Mine does, but is pretty faded.

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009

MonsieurChoc posted:

Try to see if the Glow in the Dark title still works. Mine does, but is pretty faded.

Just tried it out, it still works!

Mind you that the store didn't price this at $2, whoever brought it in priced it. So I might not be able to get away with 2 dollar books, but we will see next week.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Rand Brittain posted:

I really wish I'd found that because I just bought a PoD copy of Wraith and it's really bad. The quality of the scan is just terrible.

I was extremely surprised because every other scanned PoD I've bought from White Wolf has been really good, to the point of being indistinguishable from the original or even better.

I don't want to say Wraith is cursed.

It *is* cursed, I just don't want to say it because it might hear me and get even worse somehow.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
We might be getting the 20th Edition soon!

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Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Rand Brittain posted:

I really wish I'd found that because I just bought a PoD copy of Wraith and it's really bad. The quality of the scan is just terrible.

I was extremely surprised because every other scanned PoD I've bought from White Wolf has been really good, to the point of being indistinguishable from the original or even better.
Artificers Guild, no doubt

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