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me, galaxy-brained woke superbeing: it is imperative to me that the awkward tilda swinton looking guy who reviews fast food on youtube is a marxist at the very least
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Sure there are plenty of folks out there with way more influence and do a ton of harm but I shall now attempt to dissect the philosophy of that guy who reviews bottled water.
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Oct 9, 2017 14:07
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The guy who crushes things with a hydraulic press refuses to answer my repeated questions in the comments about the direction that the rational skeptic movement has taken. More like Smashy Fashy.
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Oct 9, 2017 14:11
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bald guy who interviews people while feeding them hot sauce covered chicken wings: is your bald head indicative of your support for neo-nazis? i shall assume yes
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Oct 9, 2017 14:25
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Goon Danton posted:Yeah, and it seems to be based on a screenshot that we can't corroborate. It wouldn't be the first time 4channers went in with their "Our guy" trolling. Midig fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 14:27
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Goon Danton posted:Yeah, and it seems to be based on a screenshot that we can't corroborate. Midig posted:It wouldn't be the first time 4channers went in with their "Our guy" trolling. That's exactly why I brought it up, I think you probably shouldn't take random photoshops on know your meme at face value, so I tried looking into it and as far as I tried that comment and thread don't exist, anything about his politics was just people speculating and arguing. Also goddammit Lowtax what are you doing with these giant buttons. 
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Oct 9, 2017 15:37
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Somfin posted:The codephrase I've found that kicks a lot of guys out of their die-on-this-hill mentality is "I know you're smart, so I know you can understand where I'm coming from." A lot of hard-right rhetoric emphasises how condescending and holier-than-thou the be-nice-to-people crowd can be, and a lot of indoctrinated guys (because it is mostly guys) pick up on that and learn to shut their thinking down when they encounter it. Watch Sargon for a few minutes when he's in full flow and you can hear this point repeated over and over- don't listen to them, don't read them, mock them instead, they want to take away your toys because they think they know better, don't listen. You just have to shift things. These guys are gamers. They're used to, if not addicted to, smashing their faces against problems until they understand the problem and can best it. If you set up "see things from my point of view" as a problem for them to solve- and your relationship is good enough that they want to play along- you better fuckin' believe they'll get there. That codephrase is great because it pushes that listening and considering your argument is in the listener's interest while being familiar to them. I remember one article said that people rank values differently depending on their politics, so talks of compassion or tradition will fall flat against someone who values freedom the most. I bet a lot of these guys want to be, and be seen as, smart and logical which is why they range from being apolitical to edgy to "I am trying to be rational and see all sides, but the SJWs are so emotional and therefore bad". A lot of these types see being emotional and rational (and thus intelligent) as polar opposites, without answering why that is. Saying that you know that they are already smart and then getting them to try and understand your side to prove their intelligence is clever.
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Another thing is that some of these people have a pop culture view of being intelligent, in which the Smart Guy is able to effortlessly defeat the arguments presented by some establishment egghead bureaucrat. Think of it as a mix of being contrarian, winning arguments as being true, and finding things that normal people miss. At least from what I have seen of right-wing people in their late teens to early thirties, they view themselves as rebels against a PC or tradition-bound majority. This is where I can see the leap from rising Youtube star destroying creationist arguments to Youtube mainstay whining about pronouns and academia.
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Oct 9, 2017 16:52
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my brother became violently angry when i tried that after he scoffed at my sister talking about white privilege (my brother has gone so off the deep end his fbook cover photo is the county election map and his profile pic is young donald).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYnlUv68nvk&t=1846s My boy Matt D. met Sargon at the Mythcon, he isn't familiar with him or his shittiness so much and its so cathartic to see him completely rip him apart because he's coming from another social place of the internet then me (SA, this thread, my twitter sphere etc) so its nice to know my optics are validated from another angle.
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Yardbomb posted:That's exactly why I brought it up, I think you probably shouldn't take random photoshops on know your meme at face value, so I tried looking into it and as far as I tried that comment and thread don't exist, anything about his politics was just people speculating and arguing. These forums only take place 10 years before TOS so he's trying to make the tech appear more inline with that time period.
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Oct 9, 2017 17:31
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Groovelord Neato posted:my brother became violently angry when i tried that after he scoffed at my sister talking about white privilege (my brother has gone so off the deep end his fbook cover photo is the county election map and his profile pic is young donald). The MAGA crowd isn't really the same kind of group, I think. They definitely don't single out intelligence and ability to understand things as important values, but more that they just consider them more words for "good" that they can attach to things they like. Sorry your brother joined a cult though 
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Lampsacus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYnlUv68nvk&t=1846s Matt's whole shtick about how you should never call people Nazis or protest speakers irks me, but at least he recognized that Sargon is a dipshit.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:24
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The sadmad carlgon fans in the comments sustain me, desperately scrambling to move goalposts and bullshit about how using nazi iconography is totally just satire.
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Yardbomb posted:The sadmad carlgon fans in the comments sustain me, desperately scrambling to move goalposts and bullshit about how using nazi iconography is totally just satire. I always wonder what is it satirizing?
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Oct 9, 2017 18:31
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murphyslaw posted:He's a pretty typical underachiever gamer dude whose political awakening was when GG was in full swing. That tantrum really hosed a lot of people in the head it seems. I had one of those moments just when I read your posts. I followed GG pretty actively as it unfolded and I just realized I don't still have the slightest idea of why gamergate is a thing and why people started going after Zoë Quinn. Of course, it's misogyny but most misogynists don't bother with actively doing poo poo like that. Even now, years later, I occasionally see dorks turn up in my mentions if I happen to mention Quinn on Twitter. It's really mindboggling.
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Kemper Boyd posted:I had one of those moments just when I read your posts. I followed GG pretty actively as it unfolded and I just realized I don't still have the slightest idea of why gamergate is a thing and why people started going after Zoë Quinn. Of course, it's misogyny but most misogynists don't bother with actively doing poo poo like that. Even now, years later, I occasionally see dorks turn up in my mentions if I happen to mention Quinn on Twitter. group identity. i spend most of my time talking about video games with nerds on the internet > i am a "gamer" > other gamers told me this bitch is trying to ruin gaming, which is our thing > i will forever hate this bitch because the little society i identify with hates her it keeps its own momentum where hating zoe quinn, anita sarkeesian and so on becomes something you do if you profess to share this identity. you can't meaningfully question the reason for the hate until you question the identity, and this is an identity built by and for nerds desperate for inclusion. it's the same reason older americans still get freaked out about communism or jane fonda it's similar to the geek social fallacies http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html
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OwlFancier posted:I always wonder what is it satirizing? "Uh, uuuh, UUUUH, OUTRAGE CULTURE, yeah that's it, heh heh, see it's funny cause it's a repurposed nazi symbol, then people call the users nazis when they totally promise they aren't, it's like so ironic."
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Oct 9, 2017 18:39
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Who What Now posted:Sargon is a dipshit. Even if "I wouldn't even rape you" wasn't a threat (read the Gift of Fear for why it actually is a threat) it is still a gruesome misogynist insult that implies the speaker is a rapist and is ok with rape.
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OwlFancier posted:I always wonder what is it satirizing? Silly sjews who will jump at the chance to shout "Nazi" at anyone doing things they don't like. Things like "wearing Nazi uniforms" or
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Lampsacus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYnlUv68nvk&t=1846s it's funny at the end where he talks about not having to debate david duke because people like him hold views that have been refuted thoroughly but doesn't seem to grasp sargon et al are in the same boat.
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Oct 9, 2017 19:00
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No, no, my name is, er, Goseph, uh, Joebbels. The similarity is just coincidence. Anyway I don't see why you would refuse to debate me on the Globalist Question, don't you believe in the marketplace of ideas?
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Where does this belief that the Rationals aren't emotional come from? Every single video I see of these clowns is them going ballistic at whatever random thing an SJW does at any given moment.
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Oct 9, 2017 20:17
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Mr Interweb posted:Where does this belief come that the Rationals aren't emotional? Every single video I see of these clowns is them going ballistic at whatever random thing an SJW does at any given moment. projection, like how all the strong right wing rugged individualists are justifiably outraged at other people kneeling during the national anthem but it is the liberals who are permatriggered snowflakes, you see it's part of the weird dichotomy of "people who get angry at the internet are themselves owned" / "performative outrage is the laziest, hackiest way to build a brand"
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like boner said it's projection and it's also that "emotional" is just their weird way of saying "empathy". for some reason """rationals""" see being empathetic as weakness.
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Groovelord Neato posted:like boner said it's projection and it's also that "emotional" is just their weird way of saying "empathy". for some reason """rationals""" see being empathetic as weakness. Yeah there's a certain set of people in the world who do this. "emotional" doesn't mean emotions it means the gay girly emotions that I don't like and never developed as a child.
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Krotera posted:(I'm pretty sure I'm one of the people who has been really mean to you. Sorry for doing that, my praxis is not great.) I don't have any excuse like that really. I got a few conspiritard friends, but its hard to take them seriously. They are 9/11 truthers/global warming deniers. Retarded as gently caress, but not exactly /pol material. I also had one friend who believed some really horrific poo poo, but we have not had any real contact in 5 years. I just kind of started through the atheist youtube community when I was 16. Midig fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 21:19
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Midig posted:the atheist youtube community when I was 16. I just reflexively lurched and made an "uurrrrh!" noise.
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OwlFancier posted:I just reflexively lurched and made an "uurrrrh!" noise. Contrapoints started that way many years and about three personal reinventions ago. There's hope for anyone, I say.
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I mean more just I can't really think of many worse places to spend your time, even as a teenage atheist I could never stand that degree of smugness.
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OwlFancier posted:I just reflexively lurched and made an "uurrrrh!" noise. It's a common enough origin story. I probably would have ended up the same way if I wasn't bigger on PZ Meyers than I was on Thunderf00t during the Elevatorgate debacle. Not that I don't also look back at my previous fondness of PZ and wonder why, but at least I ended up here.
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I did go to school with people who, back when the god delusion came out, were super thrilled by it. Whereas I didn't see the point because I was already atheist so why would I want to read it? I feel like there's some specific psychological difference that makes some people like that stuff and others dislike it even if they technically agree with it.
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The thinking I kind of dislike is "we need to get rid of all superstitions and religions". I mean even as an atheist that sounds loving joyless as an exercise. Why not have people believe in divinity as long as they are willing to be cool and good in their lives.
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Josef bugman posted:The thinking I kind of dislike is "we need to get rid of all superstitions and religions". I mean even as an atheist that sounds loving joyless as an exercise. Why not have people believe in divinity as long as they are willing to be cool and good in their lives. when i was in that teenage phase of my development as an atheist i really just got off on how much smarter i was being than everyone else. this was before it occurred to me that maybe there was something broken in me for not being able to feel spirituality like many other humans do. now i'm a firm atheist but i acknowledge the space for spirituality and the divine to exist in other people's experience of the world since humans are fundamentally irrational, myself included. i'm just glad i got to that point before the whole new atheism movement ever got off the ground
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So I randomly came across a video where The Amazing Atheist defends the Confederacy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but still, wtf? I remember seeing this dude on some online debate with some right-wing loon a few years ago and I recall raising more than a few eyebrows at how this supposed "liberal" dude agreed quite a bit with the guy he was supposed to be arguing against. Always thought that was weird, but looking back.  OwlFancier posted:I did go to school with people who, back when the god delusion came out, were super thrilled by it. Whereas I didn't see the point because I was already atheist so why would I want to read it? I too, was already an atheist/agnostic by the time the God Delusion came out, but it was also around the same time that I got really invested in politics and thought people like Dawkins were the coolest guys for how they consistently owned religious fundamentalists. Then there was that poo poo with Rebecca Watson which he decided to comment on for some weird rear end reason and also offered some really hot takes on having sex with minors... Coincidentally, this was also around the time where people like Sargon, TAA, et al, were gaining steam.
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Jesus loving Christ. Report this guy to patreon, please.
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Groovelord Neato posted:like boner said it's projection and it's also that "emotional" is just their weird way of saying "empathy". for some reason """rationals""" see being empathetic as weakness. I don't know that it's projection so much as it is that anger is considered a masculine trait. Calling some one emotional is just a barely round about way of saying they're too feminine. They aren't emotional from their perspective because emotional only encompasses the bad unmanly emotions. TGLT fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 00:14
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Burn the internet to the loving ground.
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