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ZiegeDame posted:See the cooking talk got me thinking of the letters as ingredients and obviously when you're cooking you mix up the ingredients. You know i have no idea. Lets go with C: "b" for sahara desert
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Actually now I've got it It's "Robo OS" which means Android which is known for code naming its versions after confectionaries It all makes sense
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 BGM: Stuffed Toy  "Hohohohohohoho, that's correct." "The last line said you could make a grand 'desert' out of sabara. Not dessert...!" "I figured out a trick in Japanese and English! Am I awesome? Am I awesome?!" "You're so smart, Ange-chan! You deserve a pat on the head...!" "Haha, I like it when you do that." "Just change a single letter, and even mackerel can make a fine desert. Are you starting to see how omnipotent mackerel is?" "The day I'm forced to serve a joke like that for dessert, I imagine heads will roll..." "I wouldn't like it either. I like ice cream for dessert." "Ahahahahahaha, of course. By the way, we shouldn't be worried, should we? What about tonight's dessert?" "Ohohohohoho... I can hardly wait to surprise everyone with the mackerel fruit parfait waiting there in the kitchen!" "Nooooooo!!"Everyone burst out laughing. For some time after that, I was tormented by the terrifying image of a parfait neatly topped with mackerel bits... "What a shame... I tried so hard to stop Ange-sama from getting that prize, but she solved my best riddle like it was nothing."Though she said that, Kumasawa smiled. A gold-colored medal glittered in her wrinkly hand. Ange took it. "Well then, that's all for our puzzles." "Please keep up the pace, get more and more medals, and win that splendid prize from the Master!" "Okay! Thank you. I'll keep it up...! We did it, Aunt Eva!" "Eheheh! Let's keep it up!" Kumasawa's puzzle in Japanese:  "The cook was in trouble. Dinner had been fully prepared, except for desert, but he had no ingredients left but mackerel (saba). Then, the cook had a flash of inspiration. By adding one hiragana, he could turn mackerel into a dessert (dezaato). What kana was it? A. a B. ka C. ku D. ro The answer is 'ku', because 'saba' then becomes 'sabaku', Japanese for desert. the loanword 'dezaato' can mean both dessert and desert, so the the same pun is used. This is probably the puzzle that suffered the most from localization - the mixed 'dessert' and 'desert' in the description is confusing, and the English version doesn't really work if you assume Kumasawa is telling it out loud.  BGM: White Shadow "...With each passing family conference, one can feel the growth of those youngsters. After just a few years more, Ange-sama will surely learn of love, of makeup, and will eventually grow to become a true lady." "Very true... If she grows normally with the passing time, that is..."A cruel fate... forces the chick called Ange into a lonely future. If an egg isn't warmed, it won't hatch. The egg she is now will not be warmed by anyone, and it will not hatch...  "Inside that frozen egg, will Ange-sama have no choice but to face that isolated future...?" "...An egg's shell can always be broken from the inside. Even if a cold shell is very, very hard, that doesn't mean it cannot be broken." "Does Ange-sama have the strength to do that?" "Is she capable of achieving that or not...? I hear that question is what this final game is all about." "Perhaps we should have sent her a clearer message. If the egg cannot be warmed, could we not at least strike it from the outside to make it easier to crack?" "If a chick without the power to break its own shell is forced outside of the egg, it won't be able to withstand the cold winds. Ange-sama will have to find that power and resilience herself." "...But, can we not somehow explain that power and resilience to her?" "Words cannot be given. They can only be accepted. No matter what we try to give Ange-sama, it will be meaningless unless she accepts it." "...You are right. No matter what we try to tell Ange-sama, it won't matter unless she listens." "Hohohoho... We can do nothing but watch over her. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." "We can do nothing... but pray that Ange-sama chooses a better future for herself." "If Ange-sama does not abandon herself to anger for the sole purpose of distracting herself from her resignation and sadness... If she can just be honest about that one, single wish that she truly desires more than anything else... Then you can be certain that she will make her greatest wish come true." "It is ironic. Since the very beginning, she has been denying that greatest wish of hers herself." "Laughter brings happiness. Tears bring misfortune. Those who believe will be saved. People have the power to create their own futures by the strength of their emotions." "I wish we could just let her hear those words..." "Battler-sama is very strict. He's hoping that Ange will realize it by her own power alone... and is not permitting even words of this nature to be told to her." "...It seems we can do nothing but watch over her." "And so, let us pray, at least. Pray that she grasps the world she desires most with her own hands." BGM: Cage "Yeah. I'll have to face everyone sooner or later. Right, Aunt Eva?!" "Right! Come on, let's have a puzzle. We'll solve it in a flash!" "Hahahaha. I see, I see. Then it seems I must make it a good one." "Genji. You should give her one as well. A tough one." "As you wish. In that case, a tough one it shall be..."Whoa. I'd hoped that Genji-san would give me a simple puzzle, but now he's saying it'll be tough. Scary. But I'll beat both of them. I can't let myself get scared.  "Then let us start with mine. I am a doctor, so how about an ambulance puzzle?" Eva's Hint "5" "10" "15" "20" "25" Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Oct 9, 2017 13:33
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99+20=119 130-20=110 119-110=9, which is half of the word emergency, since it sounds like 9 said twice. D. 20
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Oct 9, 2017 13:53
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ProfessorProf posted:
 No. No, it did not. Proofreading!ProfessorProf posted:
Smash the world's shell! (edit: dammit, and now I'm making spelling errors) Zack Ater posted:99+20=119 Exactly this. It's just algebra. Confused Llama fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 14:06
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ProfessorProf posted:A cruel fate... forces the chick called Ange into a lonely future. If an egg isn't warmed, it won't hatch. The egg she is now will not be warmed by anyone, and it will not hatch... This feels... cavalier. On the one hand, I do get what they're saying; in the end, Ange has to move past what happened to her, lay down the burdens of what happened on the island and her previous torment, in order to move on- that's a given. And it's not like there's anyone else in Ange's life that can help her now- she has no family left, and no friends from her shithole of a school, Okonogi never really cared about her, she just met Tohya and doesn't know what to make of her, and she just doesn't have that kind of relationship with Amakusa (although to his credit it does seem like he's trying to help her, in his way). But on the other hand... I'm wondering if it's really possible for someone in Ange's position, with Ange's mental health, to break out of her shell by herself. Because we are all in agreement that there is a mental health issue here, right- anxiety disorders, automatic distance between people due to trauma, depression, and suicidal tendencies? That's a really big plate for anyone to handle for too long especially a teenager- my father worked with teenagers in his homeless shelter, homeless teenagers who lost their homes because they ran away, or because their parents/guardians died... or just kicked them out themselves for being gay or trans or what have you, and... well, let's say that Ange seems very familiar, in the stoic face she presents the world, in the way she holds everyone at arms length away from her. She has to be helped, and something has to give, but... I just don't really see how any of this is supposed to help her do that. Because Battler, sweetie- you're dead. All these people are dead; they're out of Ange's life, and even if they were in, it's not as if anyone was really in a position to help her, being damaged themselves. Battler wasn't damaged either, but it's not as if he has any experience offering this kind of help either, being a stupid teenager himself. Maybe I'm just jaded, but... I don't really see how reminding Ange of "the good times" is going to help her very much, when that knowledge comes with the fact that these good times are past.
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Oct 9, 2017 14:41
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D. So it seems Ange doesn't see the post-puzzle scenes? Or does she only see some of them, such as Eva's?
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Oct 9, 2017 15:15
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It's slightly unclear because of the screenshotty format, but most of them take place after Team Ange has wandered off to their next puzzle.
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Oct 9, 2017 15:26
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PetraCore posted:So it seems Ange doesn't see the post-puzzle scenes? Or does she only see some of them, such as Eva's? I think the assumption is that anything that is said after she has moved on is unseen by her.
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Oct 9, 2017 15:28
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Zack Ater posted:99+20=119 Oof, this one really stumped me. I got tangled in Japanese vocabulary and got nowhere. Math!!! 
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Oct 9, 2017 15:29
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D because of what ZA said. I HATE math riddles. Didn't vote yesterday because I got so frustrated with the riddle that I looked up the answer, and then I got mad because it was stupid (desert and dessert should be switched around! It said grand dessert, not grand desert!) As for Gohda and Kumasawa's conversation, it's like a painful reminder that these people are from Japan, where therapy is heavily shunned because everyone's expected to deal with their problems themselves. It sounds no better than telling someone with depression to stop being depressed, at least to me.
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Oct 9, 2017 15:42
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Playing through Umineko myself. Finished episode 1 and i really like it so far. Bookmarking this thread so I can read it after finishing ep 4 Didn't know a VN would pull me in like this.
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Oct 9, 2017 15:49
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Zack Ater posted:99+20=119 Yeah thats the answer. D:20 Also Confused Llama posted:
Yeah......if we got caught up in the placement of the written words we would have gotten it wrong. I guess we were flexible enough to notice the mistake.
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Oct 9, 2017 17:21
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That wordplay wasn't changed at all, Prof. It was just ruined.  Today's riddle is D. 20 and I don't know if all the stuff about police and ambulances would mean anything in Japanese or if it's just a distraction from: code:resurgam40 posted:Because Battler, sweetie- you're dead. Sad Ending prediction time: Ange does not let go of her hatred, and dies at the Rokkenjima crater. Battler, drawn by the sound of gunfire, comes out of the woods to discover her body. After performing a proper burial, he catches a ride back to the mainland with Amakusa, where he becomes someone else. Where he becomes something else.
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Oct 9, 2017 17:27
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If this was a professor Layton game, I'd have used up all my hints by now because I have no clue about this one.Rune Full Moon posted:As for Gohda and Kumasawa's conversation, it's like a painful reminder that these people are from Japan, where therapy is heavily shunned because everyone's expected to deal with their problems themselves. It sounds no better than telling someone with depression to stop being depressed, at least to me. Seconded.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:09
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ZiegeDame posted:That wordplay wasn't changed at all, Prof. It was just ruined. Yeah I don't think it's anything other than the theme. The possible values for X are 11 and 20, and only D. 20 is given as a choice.
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Oct 9, 2017 18:19
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ZiegeDame posted:That wordplay wasn't changed at all, Prof. It was just ruined. That was referring to the phone numbers used to summon either a police or ambulance. if in japan you want to call the police you would press 110 in your phone and if you wanted to summon an ambulance you would put 119. just knowing one of those numbers makes this alot easier. Heres a site that lists them. https://www.tokyo-icc.jp/guide_eng/kinkyu/01.html lookw fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 18:30
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Oh dang I should've known
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Oct 9, 2017 18:41
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ProfessorProf posted:It's slightly unclear because of the screenshotty format, but most of them take place after Team Ange has wandered off to their next puzzle. From what I can tell, Ange can only see things through her piece this time. And yeah, D. 20 is pretty easy this time. For the last riddle, they should have swapped it so the first one was 'dessert' and you could make 'a grand desert'.
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Oct 9, 2017 19:30
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The weird thing is I could swear that's how it was in the version of the game I played. 
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Oct 9, 2017 19:53
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alcharagia posted:The weird thing is I could swear that's how it was in the version of the game I played. The weird thing to me is that I'm pretty sure that I remember seeing a very similar puzzle somewhere (albeit with some different, English, rootword, not "saba-ra"), but I've never played Umineko (once Chiru comes out officially, I'll certainly buy the whole series and play it for myself). It must have been in some manner of riddle book or something when I was a kid. Also, yeah, D20. EDIT: Rune Full Moon posted:As for Gohda and Kumasawa's conversation, it's like a painful reminder that these people are from Japan, where therapy is heavily shunned because everyone's expected to deal with their problems themselves. It sounds no better than telling someone with depression to stop being depressed, at least to me. There's depression and then there's Depression. A lot of therapy (and Battler isn't a licensed therapist, admittedly, nor am I though I did go through therapy for suspected Depression as a kid) seems to be convincing the patient that even if they can't choose to be happy, they can choose to be less unhappy. A lot of "Are you sure that's what they meant? Maybe it was an honest mistake" and such. That seems to be rather similar to what Battler is doing here- reminding Ange that there is infinite ambiguity so far as the events of that day, and she'll be a lot less unhappy if she can let go of her conspiracy theory. Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Oct 9, 2017 22:29
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So out of curiosity, I dug up the old PC art version of the game to check, and Dessert/Desert are switched. I guess Umitweak is at fault for this one.
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Oct 9, 2017 22:35
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I really like how the background dessert image is different here: it looks a bit more sophisticated. I wonder why they changed it? Regardless, it's a brilliantly subtle act of misdirection to include a pastry.
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Oct 9, 2017 22:41
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I feel like Ange's quite similar to Yasu, although I'm going to wait until Episode 8 to do a big effortpost. Not because I have any witch's knowledge or anything, but because I feel like that'll be the appropriate time to really analyze the story as a whole! And also I don't really know what happens to Ange.
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 BGM: Cage "And if you subtract 20 from 130, you get 110. That's the emergency number for calling the police." "Splendid! That is correct. I knew you were a quick thinker, Ange-san." "Oooooooh, well done, Angeeeeeeee! What a wise granddaughter I have!" "Congratulations. This medal belongs to you."At any rate, the gold medal glittering in Nanjo's hand is now mine. Okay, now I'll defeat Genji too and get another one. "Yes, that's the spirit. Let's solve more and more!"   "My friend here doesn't speak much, but his knowledge is quite extensive. Even I cannot wait to see what sort of puzzle he whips up." "Now then, Ange-sama. Prepare yourself. The puzzle starts now."...I've never heard anyone say 'prepare yourself' like that when giving a quiz. I started to get so tense that my stomach began to hurt... "It'll be okay. Hang in there!"Aunt Eva gripped my hand firmly, and my stomachache got a little better.  "...Ange-sama, have you learned division?" "Y, yeah. I learned it in cram school." "Incredible, a six-year-old who knows division?" "Then there should be no problems. Here it comes."This is bad... I did learn division, but I'm not very good at it...  Eva's Hint 0mm about 3mm about 6mm about 8mm about 10mm Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2017 13:32
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Edit: I knew there was a trick. Changing my answer to E . Rune Full Moon fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 13:37
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Mathmatically it goes from 50mm (5cm) -> 25mm -> 12.5mm -> 6.25mm on hour three, but are they going to pull a trick like "what about the length of the flame at the start?" or "the residual heat melted it into a puddle"? yea there always is a trick. E
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Oct 10, 2017 13:52
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RedMagus posted:Mathmatically it goes from 50mm (5cm) -> 25mm -> 12.5mm -> 6.25mm on hour three, but are they going to pull a trick like "what about the length of the flame at the start?" or "the residual heat melted it into a puddle"? Edit: I guess thats a trick question since they didnt specify when the candle burned out. So im changing my answer E: around `10 mm lookw fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 13:57
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Guys. "When its length is 1 centimeter or less, the flame will disappear." It won't keep burning to shorter than that. E. 10 mm
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Oct 10, 2017 13:58
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E. 10mm because Genji got wordplay going on here.
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Oct 10, 2017 14:33
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Confused Llama posted:Guys. "When its length is 1 centimeter or less, the flame will disappear." It won't keep burning to shorter than that. E. 10 mm Yeah, this. When the candle goes out it stops melting. It's a trick question.
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Oct 10, 2017 14:44
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Oh. That's also a valid point, and something Genji would come up with. Switching my answer in my post.
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Oct 10, 2017 14:48
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Confused Llama posted:Guys. "When its length is 1 centimeter or less, the flame will disappear." It won't keep burning to shorter than that. E. 10 mm I agree with this. Also, "[Three] hours later, the flame had disappeared..." It didn't stop burning at three hours, it had already stopped by then. e: D'oh, need to actually vote: E. 10mm
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Oct 10, 2017 14:48
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E. 10 mm It's a pretty clever little puzzle!
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Oct 10, 2017 15:11
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E. 10mm Easy street!
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Oct 10, 2017 15:39
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E (e: I mean I'm assuming this candle actually burns down gradually despite the inconsistent rate of melting, and doesn't just pop out half it's length at the top of the hour.) Nanjo gives us math homework disguised as a word puzzle, Genji gives us a word puzzle disguised as math homework.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:22
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E. Theoretically it should be done at that upper limit. I'm probably forgetting something though.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:22
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E. Yeah, this is one of those standard trick puzzles, which come up in many forms. Standard wordplay disguised as math. I know you see these all the time, but I can't seem to find a good example right now.
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Oct 10, 2017 18:50
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Well, there's that standard one that I heard a lot as a kid: You have 10 apples and you take away 4—how many do you have left? 10, dummy! edit: the fact that I initially wrote this riddle incorrectly speaks to how awful I am at numbers. Arrgh! witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Cyouni posted:E. Yeah, this is one of those standard trick puzzles, which come up in many forms. Standard wordplay disguised as math. I know you see these all the time, but I can't seem to find a good example right now.
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