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viral spiral posted:2049 is the best film this year since Alien: Covenant. It's too bad films with thematic depth like these underperform. Everybody just wants their stale comic book movies these days, I guess. Alien Covenant was garbage. Best movies so far were Wind River, It, and Dunkirk, but this tops them all.
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Origami Dali posted:Not necessarily. They could be on a "presumed innocent" type system, where suspected replicants are presumed human and still have certain rights concerning ones own bodily autonomy. So you can't just physically probe anybody suspected of being a replicant, and it seems like it would take a great deal of probing to get down to the machinery (unless we take the glowing eyes of Rachael, the owl, and other replicants literally as glowing machinery). The VK makes it so that one can identify them without violating basic human rights in the event that they're wrong. The V-K always felt kind of ramshackle and polygraph-ish to me--I think there's some suggestion it's sort of a Soviet pro forma thing and it may not actually work that well ("Did you ever take it yourself?")
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Bottom Liner posted:Alien Covenant was garbage. But this is so wrong.
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viral spiral posted:But this is so wrong. It had some good performances and moments but really suffered from not knowing what kind of movie it wanted to be and having some really dumb characters.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I read this whole thread and no point pointed out that "JOI" is a real genre of pornography and is exactly 100% what joi is? someone brought it up jack off instructions
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:what ? it wasn't out yet.
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porfiria posted:The V-K always felt kind of ramshackle and polygraph-ish to me--I think there's some suggestion it's sort of a Soviet pro forma thing and it may not actually work that well ("Did you ever take it yourself?")
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Sinding Johansson posted:Robot fight not as good as Alien Covenant you serious, Clark? The climax of this film was one of the most intense, well done sequences I've seen in any film. I was freaking squirming in my seat grimacing at every second of it. It was loving brutal. During the second viewing, I was thinking that it could seriously cause problems for somebody with PTSD or something like that. The sound and setting just projected anxiety.
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viral spiral posted:But this is so wrong. Alien Covenant is the kind of hot garbage that BR2049 is critiquing in its subtext. The scene where Luv executes Rachel isn't even subtle, it's in your face.
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Oct 10, 2017 23:00
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Alien Covenant is the kind of hot garbage that BR2049 is critiquing in its subtext. The scene where Luv executes Rachel isn't even subtle, it's in your face. I guess I could say BR2049 pursued the hot garbage Disney path by giving Rachel the Rogue One Tarkin treatment.
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That was an actual actress with tons makeup/etc. Hard to tell who's who around here.
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Blade Runner 2049's Rachel was also computer effects. If you stay during the end credits there was an entire studio dedicated to facial effects. Villeneueueve also said in an interview that he basically did the same thing that Rogue One did with Tarkin (CG touchup on a live actor, but unlike Rogue One spending a few months on it, BR2049 spent an entire year on Rachel and studied Rogue One as a case study of what mistakes not to make.
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Oct 10, 2017 23:14
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Origami Dali posted:Saw it last night, movie is great. It says in the opening exposition dump that replicants are bioengineered humans.
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viral spiral posted:I guess I could say BR2049 pursued the hot garbage Disney path by giving Rachel the Rogue One Tarkin treatment. No wonder you liked Alien Covenant edit: I don't read every CD thread -- is this guy a gimmick??
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viral spiral posted:2049 is the best film this year since Alien: Covenant. It's too bad films with thematic depth like these underperform. Everybody just wants their stale comic book movies these days, I guess. 2049 is tied with Mother! for best film this year.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:edit: I don't read every CD thread -- is this guy a gimmick?? LMAO. Come on people.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:LMAO. Come on people. hey man, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. He might not be a complete imbecile, here. We might be the ones missing out on his joke!
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alien covenant is good but only when michael fassbender is on the screen
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Queering Wheel posted:It says in the opening exposition dump that replicants are bioengineered humans. I feel like people really want them to be robots and no matter how many times the first movie talked about them being biological people still came away saying "they are robots". So this movie went and showed their bones and DNA and cut one open just to make sure everyone really believes it this time. (although that fits pretty well with the themes of the story, everyone can clearly see they are very clearly human, but because they are marketed as not it doesn't matter how many times you see they aren't robots. People still just go "so, robots, right?")
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BarronsArtGallery posted:No wonder you liked Alien Covenant Disney began the trend of CGi'ing young/dead actors into movies with Rogue One. It continued with BR2049, and hopefully Ridley Scott doesn't decide to put a young Ripley in a future Alien film.
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Oct 10, 2017 23:52
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viral spiral posted:Disney began the trend of CGi'ing young/dead actors into movies with Rogue One. It continued with BR2049, and hopefully Ridley Scott doesn't decide to put a young Ripley in a future Alien film. I dunno, the earliest example I can remember of it was in the otherwise lovely 3rd X-Men movie. It looked good there because of the hazy flashback effect, and I remember thinking it was pretty amazing.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like people really want them to be robots and no matter how many times the first movie talked about them being biological people still came away saying "they are robots". So this movie went and showed their bones and DNA and cut one open just to make sure everyone really believes it this time. "Early in the 21st Century, THE TYRELL CORPORATION advanced Robot evolution into the Nexus phase - a being virtually identical to a human - known as a Replicant." This is from the opening crawl to the original. It goes on to say that they were at least equal and in many ways superior "to the genetic engineers who created them", but it's understandable if people think they're robots because they actually use the word robot. Them being robots in the source material also lends credence to this idea.
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Origami Dali posted:"Early in the 21st Century, THE TYRELL CORPORATION advanced Robot evolution into the Nexus phase - a being virtually identical to a human - known as a Replicant." Blade Runner shares very, very little with the source material. Remember that the andies were detected because of their sociopathic tendencies, which is basically the exact opposite of Roy Batty and his friends in the movie.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:Can i ask you guys something: Why does the dichotomy of replicant and human persist even after you've watched both movies? Once you've realized people are about the same no matter where you're at, why is there a difference between races?
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Serf posted:I dunno, the earliest example I can remember of it was in the otherwise lovely 3rd X-Men movie. It looked good there because of the hazy flashback effect, and I remember thinking it was pretty amazing. Terminator Salvation was 2009 
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Serf posted:Blade Runner shares very, very little with the source material. Remember that the andies were detected because of their sociopathic tendencies, which is basically the exact opposite of Roy Batty and his friends in the movie. Wanna explicate on this? And lol at ppl bringing up comic book movies and covenant in this, the best thread in CD so far
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Serf posted:Blade Runner shares very, very little with the source material. Remember that the andies were detected because of their sociopathic tendencies, which is basically the exact opposite of Roy Batty and his friends in the movie. Very true. Let's ask noted rambling crazy man Ridley Scott. "Roy Batty was an evolved… He wasn’t an engine. If I cut him open, there wasn’t metal, he was grown. then you can do human beings. If you go deeper into it and say “Yeah, but if you are going to grow a human being, does he start that big and I’ve got to see him through everything?” I don’t want to answer the question, because of course he does. Ash in Alien had nothing to do with Roy Batty, because Roy Batty is more humanoid, whereas Ash was more metal." So... it's ambiguous, but they're possibly biological only? Which intuitively is way less interesting. It's like asking if Dolly the sheep is actually a sheep, or if a baby born using IVF is still a human.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:hey man, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. He might not be a complete imbecile, here. We might be the ones missing out on his joke! Why do people insist that controversial opinions are only done as some kind of performance? Let's just assume he came to his opinion honestly, and it being different from yours doesn't automatically make him a moron and you a brain genius. A good attitude to have in a discussion forum, no?
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Shageletic posted:Wanna explicate on this? The androids of the book are sociopaths who treat the chickenhead who takes them in with indifference. They are not the beings capable of expressing emotion that the replicants of the movie are, which is how the test catches them. There the joke is that Deckard is becoming more like an andy, not that replicants are becoming like us. Origami Dali posted:Very true. Let's ask noted rambling crazy man Ridley Scott. There's no ambiguity to it really. Replicants bleed and clearly experience pain when heavily damaged and are also able to evade detection through normal means, necessitating the test. This isn't strictly believable, but that's really not the point of the movie. Also, all those questions are interesting but have the same answer. Much like the question of whether replicants are people, despite not being human.
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viral spiral posted:Disney began the trend of CGi'ing young/dead actors into movies with Rogue One. It continued with BR2049, and hopefully Ridley Scott doesn't decide to put a young Ripley in a future Alien film. No, you misunderstand. I was mocking your complete incomprehension of what happened in 2049. they loving shot her in the face, dude. As in -- "lol watch this y'all -- *boom* -- gently caress your lazy nostalgic bullshit retreads" They were giving the finger to Disney.
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Origami Dali posted:Very true. Let's ask noted rambling crazy man Ridley Scott. Both movies are more about asking why we allow some people to be viewed as worthless commodities than explaining why replicants and people are totally different from each other The physical composition of the replicant is not meant to be the interesting part It's really not ambiguous, they are strictly biological and that's why a weird workaround needs to be deployed ot identify them. The notion that they are going through all that poo poo with the VK because using a machine like we have at actual airports is too personally invasive in a corporate-dominated non-society is not remotely supported by the text
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Why do people insist that controversial opinions are only done as some kind of performance? I'm certainly not the smartest person in the world, and I don't think I'm the smartest guy in the thread. But at a certain level you just can't take something seriously. Saying that ---Rachel---------------- was handed like Leia was in Rogue One is goddamn looney tunes.
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Serf posted:The androids of the book are sociopaths who treat the chickenhead who takes them in with indifference. They are not the beings capable of expressing emotion that the replicants of the movie are, which is how the test catches them. There the joke is that Deckard is becoming more like an andy, not that replicants are becoming like us. They treated Sebastian with worse than indifference. They are all sociopaths, lacking facets of empathy grown with age. Except for Batty at the end, who mighy be performing his act of leniency at the end as a point of superiority/witness to his dying speech. Thats one way to look at that.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:No, you misunderstand. I was mocking your complete incomprehension of what happened in 2049. they loving shot her in the face, dude. As in -- "lol watch this y'all -- *boom* -- gently caress your lazy nostalgic bullshit retreads" This is hilarious, because I never commented on the plot of BR2049. Clam down, kiddo.
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Shageletic posted:They treated Sebastian with worse than indifference. They are all sociopaths, lacking facets of empathy grown with age. Except for Batty at the end, who mighy be performing his act of leniency at the end as a point of superiority/witness to his dying speech. Thats one way to look at that. I don't know that I agree with this assessment. Wishing to live, especially when someone very real and physical has denied you a full life, is a perfectly worthwhile motivation. To seek salvation is incredibly human, born out of fear.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:you serious, Clark? It was a great film I agree and the scene as a whole was thrilling with all the disorienting negative space and the sinking car but I didn't like Luv the spinning kick lady vs the girly man fight like I did Fassbender v Fassbender, it lacked a certain weight to it considering they were all super strong Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Bottom Liner posted:It had some good performances and moments but really suffered from not knowing what kind of movie it wanted to be and having some really dumb characters. It was a horror film. Horror doesn't have to include monsters but also concepts. Like A.I's running amok
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Alien Covenant is the kind of hot garbage that BR2049 is critiquing in its subtext. The scene where Luv executes Rachel isn't even subtle, it's in your face. Alien series is known for their robot fights, please.
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