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OAquinas posted:He showed that last update, then got himself DMW later in the update and had to reload. The gnomes kicked off the "replay montage" gently caress, must have missed that update. Thanks.
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I like to think that you were violently swearing at that snake in rattlese.
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Erpy posted:Back when AGDI was still called Tierra I faintly recall a rough prologue and a rough ending scene of the whole Morgeilen arc in one of the private forums that I don't think migrated over to the new boards. The prologue essentially stated what was hinted at in KQ2+ and the treasure Island sequence in KQ3 Redux; that Daventry's First King (Legenimor) decided to cast his godly powers aside and appoint his first knight his successor rather than his brother because he believed the country should be ruled by mortal men instead of semi-immortals like himself. That his brother was pissed off at this and killed him, tried to claim Leginimor's power for himself only to fail because of the "Crown must be worn by rightfully appointed heir"-clause. Sorry for the late reply! Thank you for providing me with some closure , Erpy. I loved the AGDI remakes back in the day. Still do. When I made it to the conclusion of "Romancing The Stones" and that song kicked in as the credits started rolling, I felt as though I'd been playing an awesome movie. The whole thing was just that good. I guess what I'm saying is thanks for all the great memories. Have you played Kings Quest 2015? If you have, did you smile to realize that Wookie came up with idea of Graham going head-to-head with his arch-nemesis as an old man waaaaay before The Odd Gentlemen did? Eshettar fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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 Hello and welcome to the second half of King's Quest V. Let's not waste any time and move on to new stuff.  The next couple updates take place in the snowcaps of the mountains bordering Serenia.  Move a few steps and Graham starts to shiver.  : Graham begins to shiver at the sudden drop in temperature.A temperature drop isn't sudden. Especially if you're high up enough on a mountain to be in the snow cap. I understand it's for the benefit of an obvious puzzle, but there's no way Graham didn't feel the cold before now.   : Even Cedric looks cold as he watches Graham traverse the icy path. : Ooooh I've never been here before, but I think this is the way over the mountains. : I hope so, Cedric. I really do. Trying to navigate the screen, I learned if you click in this specific spot... : No! Stay away from the edge!  : Uh oh. That last step was a doozy!Anyway, the screen is linear, so continuing along the only path, and not falling off...  northeast This screen is where two previously mentioned DMW scenarios terminate. Did you forget to go in the inn? This is where your game ends.  root Graham will freeze to death when you try to do something on this screen and haven't equipped the cloak for whatever reason.  : Well, Graham, how does it feel to be a POPsicle? : Graham dons his warm cloak for protection against the freezing mountain air. So let's try that again. root: Oh! Be careful, Graham! : Thanks for playing King's Quest V.The tree root looks like the object to attach the rope to, but it's naturally a trap. Instead we need to use the rope on something that looks like background scenery. Do you see that brown rock outcropping just to the right of the tree root? The one that looks like it's covered with snow? rock: Graham notices his stomach beginning to rumble with hunger from the exertion of the mountain climb. This warning is another invisible sword dangling over our heads, but we don't have to worry about it just yet. We've got, oh, one more screen before it becomes relevant.  First we've got to deal with this screen. Those tiny floating rock platforms in front of the frozen waterfall are unstable. Jump on the wrong one and down Graham goes.  floating rock: Ooooh do be careful, Graham. Click on the closest one first and you can more or less figure out the route from there.   Just avoid the fourth platform from the left and you're fine. Again, this is a linear path, so exit is to the east. east : Graham, help me!: Cedric!This game has some great moments. Cedric being carried off by a wolf is near top of the list.  : Graham's hunger grows acute. Without food, he may soon die.This is your 5 step warning. Eat food now or die.   : Well Graham, remember when you turned down that last meal at home? So as a reminder, here's our inventory. We've got two items we can eat right now to not die: a pie and a leg of lamb. Which do you pick? This is another of those infamous puzzles in the game, by the way. Pick the wrong item to eat and you fail a puzzle down the road. There's no way to tell that you made the right choice. There's no diegetic way to figure this out. You just have to make a blind guess and hope you were right.  The answer, by the way, was the leg of lamb. The pie has a special use that we'll cover probably next time. : Graham finds the leg of lamb a bit tough, but tasty enough. Filling up quickly, he saves the other half for later.You know, this is actually a good place to call it for now. We're about halfway done with the mountains, and coming up is another story section along with one of the dumbest puzzles in the game. NEXT TIME: The queen, the wolf, and the crystal cave. List of Points +4 - Equipped cloak to not freeze to death +5 - Climbed rope +2 - Actual platforming +4 - Ate the lamb and not the pie Total 128/260 Register of Deaths Taking a shortcut off a cliff POPsicle Tree roots aren't sturdy Actual platforming Starving to death
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Oct 11, 2017 15:22
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Is there any other area in adventuring games with as many stupid ways to die as the King's Quest 5 mountains? Like, what the hell man.
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Oct 11, 2017 15:27
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Wow, some of those deaths are just impossible to see coming. The step falling down seems especially egregious.
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Oct 11, 2017 15:35
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That leg of lamb? Yo can get here without it. And then you eat the pie because it's so obvious. And then you spend 2 days banging your head against the wall before noticing something is off. No, I'm not salty at all.
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Oct 11, 2017 16:04
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So how many goddamn dead man walking scenarios does this make so far? It feels like practically every inventory object has been missable, somehow.
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Oct 11, 2017 16:09
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To be fair this area is more of a "did I do everything in Serenia?" checklist than anything. That still doesn't excuse some of the more rear end in a top hat-ish puzzles here though.
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Oct 11, 2017 16:11
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I don't suppose that if you attempt to cross without Cedric the wolf kills Graham instead? At least he was useful in the end. Now let's keep trucking to... evil wizards and whatnot. 
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Oct 11, 2017 16:11
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leg of lamb is bullshit. how would you know that graham will only eat half of it?
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Oct 11, 2017 16:12
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I forget, do you still get points if you eat the pie?
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Oct 11, 2017 16:36
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Honestly, I think the biggest problem with the "which food to eat" puzzle isn't that it's a coin flip on the part of the player without foreknowledge of what's coming up, but that if the player has past experience with the series, they "know" the games reward non-violent resolutions over violent resolutions. "Oh look, a wolf just owlnapped Cederic If the leg of lamb just had a throwaway line about it having a large amount of meat, or instead of having two servings of meat on it, instead it gave you a lamb bone after eating it, the puzzle would probably be considered to be much less bullshit. Considering that both items are used later on anyways, it's just a bullshit "puzzle" that serves no purpose.
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Oct 11, 2017 16:38
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"Oh man, sucks for Cedric. That reminds me, feeling kinda hungry. Thanks Mr Wolf! Time for lunch."
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Oct 11, 2017 17:03
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There's another copy protection check here, by the by. If it comes up and you fail, Graham will "miss" the outcropping and rope the tree.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:25
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Use bridle on wolf Use bridle on leg of lamb
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Clearly the most intelligent thing to do is to just let Graham tear into that raw meat right there on the mountain side. Surely nothing bad would happen if you just ate raw meat that had just been sitting on a table for god knows how long. Also, another hilarious death where you're walking around 100% fine one second then just keel over the next - like you have nothing impairing you, you aren't limping along or hunched over or look any different. You just get a warning saying 'you should eat soon' then 5 steps later you're dead.
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Oct 12, 2017 21:10
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The game did say his stomach was rumbling a couple screens beforehand. We've all gone directly from our stomach beginning to growl a bit to keeling over from starvation after a few minutes of exertion, right? That's probably about as 'fair' as these games get. 
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Clearly the most intelligent thing to do is to just let Graham tear into that raw meat right there on the mountain side. Surely nothing bad would happen if you just ate raw meat that had just been sitting on a table for god knows how long. It's preserved by being roasted salt cured. Still after several hours of strenuous hiking and climbing on a frozen rear end mountain top, eating heavily salted meat without any water seems like a great way to kill yourself. Salt + elevation + thin air + dehydration means near certain delirium followed by seizures, coma, and then death.
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He drank like fourty times from the desert oasis, maybe he's still good for hydration.
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I dont know posted:It's preserved by being roasted salt cured. Still after several hours of strenuous hiking and climbing on a frozen rear end mountain top, eating heavily salted meat without any water seems like a great way to kill yourself. Salt + elevation + thin air + dehydration means near certain delirium followed by seizures, coma, and then death. "Graham is feeling a little thirsty". *five steps later* *Graham turns into a dessicated mummy and collapses.*
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Graham picks up some snow and eats it.: Ahh! Life-giving water! Nectar of the gods! Graham can now feel strength and renewal flowing through him.
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DoubleNegative posted:Graham picks up some snow and eats it. This is a Sierra game, because you didn't tell Graham to specifically pick up the snow and try to melt it before drinking it you've only managed to further dehydrate yourself and lower your core body temperature; this kills you in only two steps instead of five. But I guess so long as you don't move ever again you'll be fine.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:This is a Sierra game, because you didn't tell Graham to specifically pick up the snow and try to melt it before drinking it you've only managed to further dehydrate yourself and lower your core body temperature; this kills you in only two steps instead of five. But I guess so long as you don't move ever again you'll be fine. Would that still qualify as a Dead Man Walking scenario? Dead Man Standing?
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The whole 'use hammer on lock' bit would make perfect sense if it wasn't a padlock, even knocking out the hinges would make more sense. The meat is also not visible unless you open the cupboard. Adventure game logic might lead one to think that the inn existed just to give you the rope making the pie the only obvious food item (in theory you could get here with the rotting fish but I doubt you can eat it). The death due to lack of cloak happens right there because they didn't want to make a 2nd animation for the rope climb (the original version was big enough for 6 disks as is) Deathwind fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Once again, we're free of Cedric for a short time. Let's enjoy it before he inevitably turns up having become king of the wolves or something equally stupid.  southeast Seems simple enough. Let's just carefully navigate this path...  : Uh oh. That last step was a doozy!Should be pretty obvious what to do now that we know the know the path on the next screen kills us. Just look at that steep slope...  slopeKing's Quest V - Mountain Pass and Sleigh Ride  : Drat my sled is broken.If you're playing this on, I believe, the floppy disk version of the game (the one with all the lovely copy protection) there's an easter egg you can do here. If you use your cloak on the broken sled... well, just look at the video. King's Quest V - Easter Egg Let's just continue on. east King's Quest V - Hungry Eagle  : A shivering eagle perches weakly upon a small rock. Despite his own problems, Graham's heart goes out to the poor thing. : The poor eagle gives Graham a pitiful look. Graham would like to help him... but how?Fine, fine. We'll do what we're supposed to. : What's wrong, Mr.... uh, Eagle?: I'm so weak from hunger. I haven't been able to catch any food for days. I can barely fly anymore.: I'd love to help you... let me see what I can do.: Thank you. I need food... *cough cough*We still only have two food items in our inventory. As good as I assume the custard pie is, I don't think our eagle buddy here would enjoy it. This, by the way, is a puzzle we need to solve now. If we go north from here, we're locked into the end sequence for the mountains. After we finish the puzzles there, we're prevented from returning. Failing to solve this eagle's problems will gently caress us over not too far down the road. So let's just give him the rest of our lamb and be on our way. : Here, take this. Perhaps it will help you. : You are a kind man to share your meager food with a poor bird... especially up here, in the snowy mountains.: Well, I couldn't just stand there and let you starve to death! What kind of person would I be?: I also have a custard pie for later. So don't worry about me.: You have shown yourself to be a kind, compassionate man and I will not forget what you did for me. Good-bye, dear friend.  Well, that was our good deed for the minute. The only exit is to the north and like I mentioned above, it's a point of no return. north King's Quest V - The Ice Queen   : I am Queen Icebella and you have entered MY domain now. I command you to KNEEL before me. : Since both you and your friend over there...: I wouldn't...: SILENCE! : Since both you and your friend over there have so thoughtlessly invaded my territory without my permission or knowledge, I have decided you shall both be put to death! Take him away, my pets! This is not a good puzzle. We've got about 5 seconds to convince this woman otherwise.   : Poor Graham. It's a dog eat dog world out there...Once the wolves reach Graham, it's game over. So you have that much time to figure out what to do. Do you remember a few updates back when I mentioned a DMW that lasted until the end of the mountains? Yeah, this is it. Do you remember the item I told you that in connection with?  Like I said, this is not a good puzzle. The only clue we got for this puzzle was a throwaway line from the third update. quote:
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: ...Now all I have to cheer me up is my harp. It's quite magical, you know. It plays the sweetest music you've ever heard. Now please! Leave me alone in my sorrow.
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hyphz posted:I think we need to appreciate Sir Greywolf’s imaginative name and inspired voice acting. if he's Sir Greywolf, who's the other, identical wolf?
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He's the other sir Greywolf, sir Greywolf's brother, son of sir Greywolf and dame Greywolf.
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If Graham looks at the mountain in the middle, the narrator comments that "the shape of the mountain looks very familiar to Graham." (It's the Sierra logo.) Also, Graham's death scream as he falls off the mountainside is hilariously over-the-top.
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Psion posted:if he's Sir Greywolf, who's the other, identical wolf?
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Snorb posted:If Graham looks at the mountain in the middle, the narrator comments that "the shape of the mountain looks very familiar to Graham." (It's the Sierra logo.) It's funnier if you imagine the narrator reading what happens to a child as a bedtime story, and everytime Graham falls to his (un)deserved demise, he screams at the child.
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Oct 13, 2017 23:45
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Love the Elsa pic for Icebella. Also that Easter Egg is something.
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EorayMel posted:It's funnier if you imagine the narrator reading what happens to a child as a bedtime story, and everytime Graham falls to his (un)deserved demise, he screams at the child. That's how KQ2015 handled it-- every time Graham died, we cut back to Old Man Graham and his granddaughter Gwendolyn, who calls him out along the lines of "That's not what really happened!"
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Snorb posted:Also, Graham's death scream as he falls off the mountainside is hilariously over-the-top. This seems like the perfect opportunity to break out the Wilhelm scream.
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I like how he's just a talking wolf like it ain't no thing. Makes you wonder what kind of trash talk he spat at Cedric before you got there.
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It is a bit odd that Crispin gave Graham the whitesnake that lets him talk to animals when most of the important animals seem to be capable of talking just fine on their own.
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I am dissapointed you can't pretend to be Greywolf and get some random reward for it.
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Mikl posted:He's the other sir Greywolf, sir Greywolf's brother, son of sir Greywolf and dame Greywolf. It's like the Marklar's from South Park; they all sound the same, but whenever someone says the name out loud, the right one always knows that (s)he's being spoken to. Snorb posted:Also, Graham's death scream as he falls off the mountainside is hilariously over-the-top. I'm currently playing Exile: Escape from the Pit from 1995, and the same scream sound affect is used both when a character dies and when you go over a waterfall in a boat. It's so over-the-top that it's halfway laughably ridiculous, halfway terrifying. I did the part last night where you have to navigate a maze of subterranean rivers, and it bothered me so much I had to mute my PC.
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That wolf sounded just like Strong Bad. The crappy, Powered by the Cheat imitation, that is. "Here, Sir Graham, have a trophy!"
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