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I'm kind of confused - Why do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to comment on Harvey Weinstein being a shitbag?
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Oct 11, 2017 03:16
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moths posted:I'm kind of confused - Why do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to comment on Harvey Weinstein being a shitbag? Because they took his money. tbh I'd think it'd work the opposite - I'd like to take as much money as possible out of the hands of shitbags.
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Oct 11, 2017 03:19
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moths posted:I'm kind of confused - Why do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to comment on Harvey Weinstein being a shitbag? I think because The Right Wing Media keeps pointing out he was a huge democratic voter, which seems stupid to me but here we are.
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Oct 11, 2017 03:20
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hobbesmaster posted:Because they took his money. Only if you give it away. If you take his money once, then it’s assumed that you’ll try to help him politically to get more money. But Democrats are practically tripping over their feet to see who can return Weinstein’s money the fastest, so trying to pin him on the party as a whole is bullshit.
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Oct 11, 2017 03:35
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Ah yes, The Left, famous fans of Ted Cruz
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Oct 11, 2017 06:21
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Didn't one of Obama's daughters intern under Weinstein?
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Oct 11, 2017 06:25
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As expected of a black man, what a bad dad.
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Oct 11, 2017 08:59
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codenameFANGIO posted:I think because The Right Wing Media keeps pointing out he was a huge democratic voter, which seems stupid to me but here we are. Some radio show, don't know the name of it, I only know the host's name is Buck and I don't care to google it, had a phone call from some guy saying the right wing media needed to keep the Weinstein story in the news all the way to the midterm elections because it's the story that's going to destroy the Democrats. They're really trying to turn this into as big of a thing as they can.
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Oct 11, 2017 15:09
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nine-gear crow posted:To be fair, Mike Huckabee is so dumb and easily outraged that I have little trouble believing this actually happened. "I was walking in the park with my family when I heard a dog cry out in torment. I was about to intervene, but wife told me it was ok, it was my son."
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Oct 11, 2017 15:46
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Mantis42 posted:Didn't one of Obama's daughters intern under Weinstein? Yes the nazis have been trumpeting that for the last week.
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Oct 11, 2017 15:51
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Twelve by Pies posted:Some radio show, don't know the name of it, I only know the host's name is Buck and I don't care to google it, had a phone call from some guy saying the right wing media needed to keep the Weinstein story in the news all the way to the midterm elections because it's the story that's going to destroy the Democrats. They're really trying to turn this into as big of a thing as they can. watch out, if they talk too much about the wealthy rapist new yorker the GOP might accidentally put him on the ballot
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Oct 11, 2017 16:11
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moths posted:I'm kind of confused - Why do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama need to comment on Harvey Weinstein being a shitbag? I've been wondering this myself because god drat is RWM ever running with 24/7 Weinstein. Rush was saying the NYT had the story in 2004 and must have malicious minded reasons for releasing it NOW. I'd never even loving heard of Harvey Weinstein to be honest but now that the right obviously has their talking points I sure do. It's really odd.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:06
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BiggerBoat posted:I've been wondering this myself because god drat is RWM ever running with 24/7 Weinstein. Rush was saying the NYT had the story in 2004 and must have malicious minded reasons for releasing it NOW. I'd never even loving heard of Harvey Weinstein to be honest but now that the right obviously has their talking points I sure do. It's not that odd. It's basically the right wing playbook 101. Things are going bad for the GOP right now on all levels. They need a distraction. Attempting to tie a notorious hollywood rapist with the former president and a perennial presidential candidate based on the fact he donated money (and now turning it into "what did Obama know and when did he know it") is how they can distract from things like Trump being a notorious rapist, an incompetent loon, and a maniac. Sad thing is it totally works still because people haven't learned anything in the last 20+ years of right wing messaging. I feel like Al Franken has devoted over 50% of his book space to this tactic over 3 books. This is not to suggest, of course, that Weinstein didn't do anything wrong or that it's not bad in hindsight that Democrats took money from someone this terrible, but the problem is that it's designed to continue to depress Democrats and anybody else even remotely center-left from voting because "both sides are the same" Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 17:10
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Angry_Ed posted:It's not that odd. It's basically the right wing playbook 101. Things are going bad for the GOP right now on all levels. They need a distraction. Attempting to tie a notorious hollywood rapist with the former president and a perennial presidential candidate based on the fact he donated money (and now turning it into "what did Obama know and when did he know it") is how they can distract from things like Trump being a notorious rapist, an incompetent loon, and a maniac. Sad thing is it totally works still because people haven't learned anything in the last 20+ years of right wing messaging. I feel like Al Franken has devoted over 50% of his book space to this tactic over 3 books. Basically the Right knows their whole team is full of monsters, but it's ok because look! The left has a monster now!
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Oct 11, 2017 17:18
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Trump is a hilariously obvious sexual assaulter, extremely likely to also be a serial rapist and wants to gently caress his daughter. It's right wing media 101 to stir up poo poo and try to smear what their guy did on Obama so they can keep running with their both-sides-bad narrative. They are absolutely getting command and coordinated talking points to do exactly this it's what they do.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:18
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bird food bathtub posted:Trump is a hilariously obvious sexual assaulter, extremely likely to also be a serial rapist and wants to gently caress his daughter. Their disadvantage is that the public that is swayed by things like this have a very short memory and this will have left their minds in 6 months.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:20
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BiggerBoat posted:Rush was saying the NYT had the story in 2004 and must have malicious minded reasons for releasing it NOW. predators, especially wealthy and well connected ones, often have numerous methods to prevent people from calling them out such as surrounding themselves with sycophants and forcefully complicit people who feed off the predator's power, as well as all the advantages that wealth brings like being able to spin the press and hire lawyers. this is exactly why cosby, trump, jimmy saville, and all manner of wealthy elite rapists get away with their crimes. this also inhibits the ability to investigate and expose said elite rapists, see what happened to cosby, trump, jimmy saville... the times has tried to report on this before, but they were never able to bring a story past the "finish line" so to speak of journalistic standards that wouldn't end up in court the annoying part is that when this exact same situation happened with trump, down to the same accusations of predatory behavior, secret damning recordings, full media blitz, the right wing called it all fake news 
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Oct 11, 2017 17:20
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So there are no GOP donors over the years that have been caught doing shady poo poo?
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Oct 11, 2017 17:33
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They prayed to Jeeeazus and all was forgiven. Pre2016 Maddness reminder(2015 summer?) : Huckleberry defended The Incest Pedo.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:34
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BiggerBoat posted:So there are no GOP donors over the years that have been caught doing shady poo poo? Yeah, but you see monsters are OK when it's their team. The monsters only matter when it belongs to the left. Right wingers are extremely hypocritical
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Oct 11, 2017 17:35
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BiggerBoat posted:So there are no GOP donors over the years that have been caught doing shady poo poo? Roger Ailes was just a guy who hung around.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:37
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BiggerBoat posted:So there are no GOP donors over the years that have been caught doing shady poo poo? Obviously not. The problem however, is as follows: 1. The GOP doesn't really care and neither do their voters because "haha liberals mad". Again, Donald Trump is president, after all. 2. The GOP is fully aware anybody not on their team possesses a conscience and morals and thus seek to make them question whether it's moral to vote for members of a political party that takes money from wall street/rapists/bankers etc. 3. Nothing any Democrat says will placate the people who are angry at them for accepting money from Harvey Weinstein. The response will be interpreted as too late, not authentic enough, etc. Because the Democrats by default have to represent everyone who is not driving off the crazy fascist cliff, any sort of rift in ideology or disunity is a net benefit for the GOP.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:38
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Jurgan posted:Only if you give it away. If you take his money once, then it’s assumed that you’ll try to help him politically to get more money. But Democrats are practically tripping over their feet to see who can return Weinstein’s money the fastest, so trying to pin him on the party as a whole is bullshit. The other thing they are doing is claiming that no Democrats are condemning him, when there is actually a line to put the knife in him, and the whole of the liberal establishment is in it. But truth is what the Right says it is, as always.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:42
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Like there's definitely an argument you could make that "well if there were allegations for 20+ years then clearly somebody knew something", but that's the problem. Rumors and Allegations are just that, and given that even Terry Crewes can't name who groped him at a party, it's obvious that money and influence stretch far and wide in terms of keeping this stuff quiet. There's a reason it took this long for all of this to come out. You don't want to get this poo poo wrong. Of course it's also lovely that we tread so lightly against the rich when they commit sexual assault but the average person on the street is immediately guilty in the court of public opinion, but that's an aside.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:45
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Pizzagate!
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Oct 11, 2017 17:46
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BiggerBoat posted:So there are no GOP donors over the years that have been caught doing shady poo poo? donors? the GOP regularly elects child molesters to congress (dennis hastert, mark foley)
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Oct 11, 2017 17:49
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The right, and their news outlets, prey upon the fact that their target audience loves Jesus (but hasn't read the bible since they were 12), loves guns, hates anyone that isn't white, and will not do research. So, when one if theirs gets caught doing bad things, he just claims that he prays for forgiveness, and everything is right again, because the left are godless heathens who want to take away your guns and make you abort a Mexican baby.
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Oct 11, 2017 17:55
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Iron Crowned posted:So, when one if theirs gets caught doing bad things, he just claims that he prays for forgiveness, and everything is right again, because the left are godless heathens who want to take away your guns and make you abort a Mexican baby. this is just sort of standard abusive behavior from liars, and liars prey on people who are bad at pattern recognition (and detecting liars) a friend of mine is going through a rough divorce right now. her husband (who she has been with since high school) is a terrible manchild, probably a sex addict, has no ambition, took ten years to get his GED, works at (and keeps getting fired from) the porn store/head shop... he's not much of a husband and father, to put it politely. he's dogshit, to put it bluntly. she's in an enormously lovely situation - their relationship was built on mutual substance abuse, it was falling apart so they had a kid to save the marriage, she tried getting sober but he didn't, she ended up hooked on kratom and now she's developed a seizure disorder, it's awful. meanwhile, her husband, being a worthless impulsive shithead and sex addict, managed to rack up an impressive six different affairs behind his wife's back in the brief time between the birth of their son and now anyway i got to read some of the texts he sent her now that she's finally resolved to be rid of this trash heap of a man and he's swearing, promising, on his knees begging and crying for a second chance, like he always did. he's asked for plenty of second chances and never followed through on them. the reason she's not taking him back this time is that she knows it's all empty words and that he'll duck out again as soon as he has to show any sort of responsibility in terms of earning an income or being a parent. and the biggest reason it isn't working this time is because she finally realized after a decade of dumb rear end low key emotional abuse that all of her friends and family are probably right for once, and that this dude is worthless and should be cut out of her life forever. no custody, no contact, nothing anyway this is the kind of relationship i see between right wing media producers and consumers, just gaslighting and counting on your victim to have no self confidence and no ability to detach themselves from the toxic emotional state they're dependent on the producer to provide
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Oct 11, 2017 18:06
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It's just that I'm a very far left liberal democrat and suddenly some guy I never even heard of is now the poster child for everything wrong with democrats and he seems to have ties everywhere (Obama, Hillary, NYT, etc.)
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Oct 11, 2017 18:10
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BiggerBoat posted:It's just that I'm a very far left liberal democrat and suddenly some guy I never even heard of is now the poster child for everything wrong with democrats and he seems to have ties everywhere (Obama, Hillary, NYT, etc.) just respond "oh so it's bad now when democrats fundraise from wealthy out of touch new york elites who have allegations of sexual assault" and post that picture of hillary and trump at a black tie dinner
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Oct 11, 2017 18:12
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Also as a donor Weinstein isn't, like, the top 10 or anything. The right wing media made it sound like he provides the majority of everything the DNC and the Democratic Party own. When we all know it's Soros' money.
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Oct 11, 2017 18:24
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I would love to know where my Soros check is. I spent a solid hour yesterday hating America and glaring angrily at a picture of a white Christian child. That's hard work for a millenial.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:01
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y'all mistake it IMO. beyond changing the news cycle, this is about narratives. Most importantly, that Both Sides Are Corrupt, & All Politicians Are Fuckers. Cynicism and false equivalency are bread and butter to the right because it serves to cover up the rather serious corruption & poor moral character permeating the entire Republican party. They're all scumbugs, so you might as well vote for the one that will protect your guns or stick it to the muslims or w/e.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:03
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toanoradian posted:Also as a donor Weinstein isn't, like, the top 10 or anything. The right wing media made it sound like he provides the majority of everything the DNC and the Democratic Party own. So when Soros kicks it, Weinstein will just take his place.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:07
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:y'all mistake it IMO. beyond changing the news cycle, this is about narratives. Most importantly, that Both Sides Are Corrupt, & All Politicians Are Fuckers. Cynicism and false equivalency are bread and butter to the right because it serves to cover up the rather serious corruption & poor moral character permeating the entire Republican party. They're all scumbugs, so you might as well vote for the one that will protect your guns or stick it to the muslims or w/e. Well, that, and if you're a principled person who won't vote Republican than you shouldn't bother voting because Democrats are Just As Bad.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:14
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When I listen to people call Rush I feel like the gulf is wider than ever. How can you even have a conversation with a person who genuinely believes that we're at war with our neighbors?
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Oct 11, 2017 20:18
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TildeATH posted:Yes the nazis have been trumpeting that for the last week. Why? My first thought is "I hope that poor girl wasn't harassed by a creepy old man." Sympathy for the Obamas, not contempt. Are they suggesting she knew and didn't say anything, or Barack Obama was bad for letting her do it? Or even that he was so depraved he sold his daughter for campaign donations? Eww, I feel slimy just thinking that. Angry_Ed posted:the average person on the street is immediately guilty in the court of public opinion, but that's an aside. Say what? There are lots of cases of normal people being accused of rape, and very quickly there's a discussion of "what was she wearing/had she been drinking/she was a slut anyway." Iron Crowned posted:The right, and their news outlets, prey upon the fact that their target audience loves Jesus (but hasn't read the bible since they were 12), loves guns, hates anyone that isn't white, and will not do research. I wrote a little something about how that sort of "hypocrisy" works a few months ago, if you're interested. Short version: If you believe everyone is sinful and society has to protect them from themselves, then of course your heroes will fail to live up to their standards.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:44
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Jurgan posted:Are they suggesting she knew and didn't say anything, or Barack Obama was bad for letting her do it? Or even that he was so depraved he sold his daughter for campaign donations? Eww, I feel slimy just thinking that. This is happening in the USPOL thread right now, too
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Oct 11, 2017 20:46
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uspol is the thread for when you're too lazy to go to cspam to whine about liberals and talk about how they'r epreventing america from being great again
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Oct 11, 2017 20:47
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Jurgan posted:Say what? There are lots of cases of normal people being accused of rape, and very quickly there's a discussion of "what was she wearing/had she been drinking/she was a slut anyway." That's 100% accurate and whatever point I was trying to make came out bad. I was in no way trying to downplay victim blaming. I have this...I guess weird hangup when it comes to felony convictions/the court of public opinion. If someone is arrested and convicted of a felony, their life is pretty much hosed unless they happen to be well-connected. I was saying that in the idea that, if an average person was accused of what Weinstein did, people in their community might immediately assume they were guilty regardless of whether they did it or not. This would then ruin their life through ostracization and assumptions. Karl Rove at one point did this to a judge in...Alabama I think. He implied the guy was a pedophile, using his work with youth outreach as an implication he was just using it to get close to kids. The judge didn't do that, and he won his re-election, but he retired afterwards because he didn't want to deal with that kind of mudslinging again. At the same time I did myopically forget that we also victim-blame a lot when it comes to rape and as such my comment came out really short-sighted. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 21:21
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