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precision posted:His latest video is pretty stupid though ("The myth of the $60 game"). I don't watch his vids anymore cause after the digital homicide stuff, most of the stuff he's been talking about has felt a little too uhhh nitpicky?? With some bits here and there that were still interesting, but for a lot of it it just felt kinda of annoying to sit through so I quit watching his stuff. ....so what is that video about then, I'd rather not sit through it to find out what he's complaining about this time. Is he mad that games are $60 or is he mad about people that don't like that games are $60?
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FirstAidKite posted:I don't watch his vids anymore cause after the digital homicide stuff, most of the stuff he's been talking about has felt a little too uhhh nitpicky?? With some bits here and there that were still interesting, but for a lot of it it just felt kinda of annoying to sit through so I quit watching his stuff. Pretty much saying that games aren't actually 60 bucks if you account microtransactions and season passes and that's how they haven't increased with inflation.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:44
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FirstAidKite posted:I don't watch his vids anymore cause after the digital homicide stuff, most of the stuff he's been talking about has felt a little too uhhh nitpicky?? With some bits here and there that were still interesting, but for a lot of it it just felt kinda of annoying to sit through so I quit watching his stuff. He's mad that "game prices haven't increased with inflation" is a talking point in favor of microtransactions because games aren't actually $60 anymore (dlc, lootboxes, etc) ...it seems like a reasonable point?
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Oct 11, 2017 21:45
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FirstAidKite posted:....so what is that video about then, I'd rather not sit through it to find out what he's complaining about this time. Is he mad that games are $60 or is he mad about people that don't like that games are $60? Mad that people's justifications for loot boxes are that games cost way more than $60 and they need extra for inflation, because those are typically the same games with season passes and premium editions that inflate the cost already.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:46
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When did all this inflation talk start happening anyway, I feel like out of nowhere it suddenly became a talking point. Was there a catalyst for this, a news article or something a developer did, or am I just unaware (always a possibility) enough to have not noticed the subject until now? Unrelated: this skylander released back on the first of this month. I like how he looks, he looks cool.   His name is Ro-Bow because of course his name is Ro-Mother-Fuckin-Bow I found this gif while grabbing those pics. 
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Oct 11, 2017 21:51
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Get this: he's right about loot boxes.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:52
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He has a good point in most videos but he harps on the same thing so much it makes me not care.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:54
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FirstAidKite posted:When did all this inflation talk start happening anyway, I feel like out of nowhere it suddenly became a talking point. Was there a catalyst for this, a news article or something a developer did, or am I just unaware (always a possibility) enough to have not noticed the subject until now? It comes from us old people talking about paying 90 dollars at sears for mario 2
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Oct 11, 2017 21:55
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I don't watch that dudes vids but can't really argue with that, battlefield games cost like $120 if you want to keep playing it a couple months after release
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Oct 11, 2017 21:57
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Well he says that "no games cost $60 anymore" implying that all AAA games have DLC/season passes/whatever that are somehow essential but I can think of tons of recent AAA games where you miss out on basically nothing if you don't spend extra. The mere existence of Deluxe Editions doesn't mean you can't buy a game for $60 and experience all, or at least a vast preponderance of, its content. Just off the top of my head, Horizon, Nier:Automata, Uncharted 4, RE7, Yakuza Zero, Persona 5, etc etc etc are all games that you could have bought at $60 or less on release and got to see everything. And he doesn't take into account that video games go on sale vastly more often than they ever have before, especially digital versions; it used to be more or less unheard of to get a game for less than MSRP unless it was around Black Friday or it had gotten thrown in a "bargain bin". Nowadays it's entirely expected that any given $60 game will go on sale at least once within mere weeks of its release. e: and the comments for the video are full of weird insane people who claim that "video games never cost more than $40", when you had things like $100 for Phantasy Star/2, $70+ SNES games (SF2 Turbo was $75 when I bought it in '93), and on the PC game side the big names like Ultima and Wizardry were coming out at $50/$60+ (for a while Ultima 7 was $70) precision fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 21:58
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Cowcaster posted:didn't it only stay unstuck for one page before it broke again Yeah which is why we just kept the replacement thread and the other broke threads should make new ones
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Oct 11, 2017 21:58
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Regy Rusty posted:The answer is it's all vague rumors about stuff from 10+ years ago so who cares just play video games It's not vague rumors just because you don't want to do legwork to research something
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Oct 11, 2017 21:59
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homeless snail posted:I don't watch that dudes vids but can't really argue with that, battlefield games cost like $120 if you want to keep playing it a couple months after release I mean, not the best example, because most people don't buy the DLC packs and there are always way more servers running just the vanilla maps in my experience.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:00
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http://www.pcgamer.com/loot-boxes-are-not-gambling-according-to-the-esrb/ Thank god that was cleared up.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:05
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but he's right about loot boxes, especially if what he's saying about Shadow of War is true (that there's a crazy grind at one point unless you shell out real ducats)
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Oct 11, 2017 22:06
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FirstAidKite posted:When did all this inflation talk start happening anyway, I feel like out of nowhere it suddenly became a talking point. Was there a catalyst for this, a news article or something a developer did, or am I just unaware (always a possibility) enough to have not noticed the subject until now? 
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Oct 11, 2017 22:07
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Grapplejack posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/loot-boxes-are-not-gambling-according-to-the-esrb/ "It's not gambling because you always get something" hold up lemme open a casino real quick, it won't be gambling because I'll give people who lose a piece of candy
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Oct 11, 2017 22:08
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Grapplejack posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/loot-boxes-are-not-gambling-according-to-the-esrb/ Thanks ESRB... :| Is there anything like this in real world gambling, stuff where you'll always get a prize but chances are the prize is lovely but by getting a prize it can get around the whole "this is gambling" thing? I know some carnival/theme park games will do this, participation prizes and the like, but I can't think of anything large scale off the top of my head.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:08
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Oct 11, 2017 22:10
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FirstAidKite posted:Thanks ESRB... :| I mean, casinos will give you complimentary hors d'oeuvres when you get on the floor, so I guess gambling isn't gambling.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:10
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FirstAidKite posted:Thanks ESRB... :| I'm curious about this too. It's difficult to search for, though, since "guaranteed payout" is used for the percentage a slot machine has to pay out, so I'm not sure how to see if anyone's tried doing this. Like, going by what the ESRB says, slot machines aren't gambling as long as they dispense literal garbage if they aren't giving money. I wonder if the ESRB is actually aware of how the Steam marketplace means these things have actual monetary value. Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Mordja posted:I mean, not the best example, because most people don't buy the DLC packs and there are always way more servers running just the vanilla maps in my experience.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:15
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FirstAidKite posted:Thanks ESRB... :| Don't pachinko parlors do this? You exchange your winnings for a crappy prize then take that and exchange it for an actual cash prize.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:19
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FirstAidKite posted:Thanks ESRB... :| that's how pachinko parlors work in japan. you win a prize with no real monetary value but nearby there's a shady guy who will buy toys from that parlor for the amount of money you won
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Oct 11, 2017 22:19
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You didn't lose the money gambling. You paid money for the experience.
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exquisite tea posted:I think Giant Bomb produces some genuinely good reviews that take both "actually entertaining to read" and "says more about the game than graphix gud" into consideration. I also like the ACG guy's video reviews. The rest mostly say nothing of significance about the game or are meandering 20-minute youtube videos that nobody has time for. giant bomb reviews are only good if jeff is around. god loving knows brad is too stupid to point any flaws in a game
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Oct 11, 2017 22:39
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Brad being wishy washy about a game's flaws because he doesn't wanna say anything too harsh or come across as unfair makes me claw at my face like in the toxic avenger
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Wamdoodle posted:Don't pachinko parlors do this? You exchange your winnings for a crappy prize then take that and exchange it for an actual cash prize. I mean that's how it works in card shops that sell Magic booster packs too. Kids will buy a bunch of packs, open them, then trade their rares in for either cash or the cards they actually wanted (which costs way more than just buying those cards outright) to the same guy who just sold the packs to them. I don't personally know if it really bothers me but it's weird that there's a legal distinction between that & buying scratch-offs.
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Gambling is funny because it is incredibly blatantly obvious to anybody with eyeballs whether something is or is not gambling, but people in charge of said gambling will bend over backwards to justify it as not gambling as if anybody anywhere at all is going to ever believe them.
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goferchan posted:I mean that's how it works in card shops that sell Magic booster packs too. Kids will buy a bunch of packs, open them, then trade their rares in for either cash or the cards they actually wanted (which costs way more than just buying those cards outright) to the same guy who just sold the packs to them. I don't personally know if it really bothers me but it's weird that there's a legal distinction between that & buying scratch-offs. Yeah, even then though I'd say it's worse than the TCG situation because there's an after market so you can always just buy the singles you want. Digital TCGs/lootbox games generally don't allow this.
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FirstAidKite posted:Thanks ESRB... :| Players usually purchase in-game currency to use on loot boxes rather than paying for it directly. Players are getting exactly what they paid for since the transaction is for in-game currency, even though the currency is effectively a middle man to use on winning prizes. The opportunity to use the currency on various services/loot boxes is a bonus feature since players got what they paid for. In other words, players are paying for in-game currency and the opportunity to use the currency for a chance at winning 5 Star Saber/Mercy With New Hat/Maximum Katana +6 is a freebie. Blizzard used this loophole to skirt divulging loot drop rates in China. It's pachinko levels of transitive property.
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Grapplejack posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/loot-boxes-are-not-gambling-according-to-the-esrb/ look man if it means they can legally sell japanese pokemon center t-shirt blind bags in america then i'm all for it
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Wamdoodle posted:Don't pachinko parlors do this? You exchange your winnings for a crappy prize then take that and exchange it for an actual cash prize. Yes. Pachinko parlors are basically adult ticket booths but instead of plastic spider rings you get something of value. There are conveniently located shops nearby, basically pawn shops, that will buy your prize for cash. It's a way to get around gambling tax laws because the parlors aren't giving out money and the pawn shops aren't affiliated with the parlors. Tokyo and maybe other places recognize official organizations that act as the third party where they allot vouchers to parlors which the customers win and then redeem from the company who continues the cycle. Not far removed from State run gambling in America. goferchan posted:I mean that's how it works in card shops that sell Magic booster packs too. Kids will buy a bunch of packs, open them, then trade their rares in for either cash or the cards they actually wanted (which costs way more than just buying those cards outright) to the same guy who just sold the packs to them. I don't personally know if it really bothers me but it's weird that there's a legal distinction between that & buying scratch-offs. The legal distinction is that the distributor isn't involved in any way with the after market. Some states require hobby shops to follow pawn store laws but Hasbro's interaction with you ends when your store sells you a pack of boosters.
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CJacobs posted:Gambling is funny because it is incredibly blatantly obvious to anybody with eyeballs whether something is or is not gambling, but people in charge of said gambling will bend over backwards to justify it as not gambling as if anybody anywhere at all is going to ever believe them. because it makes lots of money and taxes and government officials usually get kickbacks to turn a blind eye
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The White Dragon posted:look man if it means they can legally sell japanese pokemon center t-shirt blind bags in america then i'm all for it If gambling is considered E for Everyone in every market around the world we can finally have the slot machines back in new Pokemon games.
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babypolis posted:because it makes lots of money and taxes and government officials usually get kickbacks to turn a blind eye if this was true online poker would still be legal in the USA (yes I know there are technically ways to still play)
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Gaming is getting back to its arcade roots. Only this time you're not only paying for the arcade machine, but you still have to insert coins to play.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:21
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Well poo poo Everybody's Golf looks like the spiritual successor to Camelot's Mario Golf and will probably be the first sports game I've purchased since... Mario Golf on the GBA.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHCdc4XEXA&t=1898s
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I played this back to back with Kya and Advent Rising. Terrible cliffhangers were a hallmark of early aughts platformers.
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