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jivjov posted:Vast amounts of all three PT films take place on Coruscant. Oh I know it's supposed to be Coruscant but I couldn't remember if it was just "capital city that is assumed to be Coruscant" or if the actual name was established.
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thrawn527 posted:SMG has made this argument before, that it doesn't matter if it's technically not called Coruscant, it looks and acts AS Coruscant for the purposes of the movie, so for the audience, it being a city planet is a call back to the prequels. It is meant to evoke Coruscant, in appearance and in function, and this only works because we see Coruscant in the prequels. Why don't people just say this, then? Why blatantly lie and call it Coruscant, when the actual meaning meant to be conveyed is "a planet/system like Coruscant"?
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Oct 11, 2017 20:46
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Hosnian is the capital of the Republic but it isn't the home of the defunct Jedi Order. It's only half of Coruscant, but the other half isn't relevant to that particular film.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:47
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jivjov posted:Why don't people just say this, then? Why blatantly lie and call it Coruscant, when the actual meaning meant to be conveyed is "a planet/system like Coruscant"? Because in that movie it is coruscant .
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Oct 11, 2017 20:48
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euphronius posted:Because in that movie it is coruscant . It's not though. At no time is it ever called Coruscant. And it's explicitly called "the Hosnian system".
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Oct 11, 2017 20:50
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jivjov posted:It's not though. At no time is it ever called Coruscant. And it's explicitly called "the Hosnian system". Sure but it's also Corsicany as has been explained above .
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Oct 11, 2017 20:52
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I'm pretty sure star wars is fake, actually
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Oct 11, 2017 20:53
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euphronius posted:Sure but it's also Corsicany as has been explained above . No, it's really not. One thing being similar to another thing doesn't make those two things the same.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:54
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jivjov posted:Why don't people just say this, then? Why blatantly lie and call it Coruscant, when the actual meaning meant to be conveyed is "a planet/system like Coruscant"? The planet is Coruscant in the film. The EU then retconned the film.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:56
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jivjov posted:No, it's really not. One thing being similar to another thing doesn't make those two things the same. jivjov posted:No, it's really not. One thing being similar to another thing doesn't make those two things the same. What is coruscant?
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Oct 11, 2017 20:57
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The planet is Coruscant in the film. The EU then retconned the film. At no point is the Hosnian system or Hosnian Prime ever called Coruscant in any film or novel or comic.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:57
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euphronius posted:What is coruscant? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant
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Oct 11, 2017 20:59
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Hahahah the most perfect answer
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Oct 11, 2017 21:01
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jivjov posted:Why don't people just say this, then? Why blatantly lie and call it Coruscant, when the actual meaning meant to be conveyed is "a planet/system like Coruscant"? because theyre trying to distance themselves from the prequels 
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Oct 11, 2017 21:01
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euphronius posted:What is coruscant? It's the bright center of the universe. It's the seat of government and the headquarters of the Jedi, an enormous city covering an entire planet. I'm with jivjov on this one, incidentally. The presence of the Jedi Temple on one of the two capital city planets and not the other is an important distinction. They invented a new Coruscant in order to destroy some of the things Coruscant is without destroying others. Hosnian is to Coruscant what Jakku is to Tatooine: mostly alike, but different enough to have a reason not to be the same.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:01
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Bongo Bill posted:The prequels aren't EU, my friend. They're as canon as canon gets. I hope Disney does a remake of the prequels. Vader's descent into madness deserves a better dramatic cinema experience. Like, have the same actor for Anakin in all three films, and don't make him an awkward weirdo who gets nervous around hot girls this time, either.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:11
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It's not a mistake that Darth Vader is uncool underneath the mask.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:17
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Bongo Bill posted:It's not a mistake that Darth Vader is uncool underneath the mask. Did not match expectations = mistake
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Oct 11, 2017 21:18
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viral spiral posted:Disney viral spiral posted:descent into madness viral spiral posted:dramatic cinema experience. One of these things is not like the others.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:20
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[quote="“jivjov”" post="“477282623”"] At no point is the Hosnian system or Hosnian Prime ever called Coruscant in any film or novel or comic. [/quote] TFA says that the capital of the Republic, previously established as Coruscant, is located in 'The Hosnian System'. Hosnia is therefore implicitly the name of the star that Coruscant orbits. (In real life, Earth is located in The Solar System. Because it orbits Sol). The EU retcons the film with a convoluted story. It claims that there are multiple Republic capitals that all look the same, so what we saw was actually a clone of Coruscant and the real Coruscant survived. The EU also claims that Hosnia is not a star at all, but actually multiple planets that are called Hosnia. (Hosnia 1, Hosnia 2, etc.) This EU stuff sounds suspiciously like a 9/11 conspiracy theory. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 21:20
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There is no EU any more. HTH.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:22
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Mortanis posted:There is no EU any more. HTH. There's a new EU.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:24
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Unless something changed, Disney was explicit that there is Canon and there is Legends; everything Disney publishes, whether film or jointly through the Marvel comics, is Canon. If it's in distribution in one fashion or another since the Disney acquisition, it is Canon. I don't see anything that changed that and the Star Wars Canon list currently includes novels and comics. The only retroactive Canon are the movies and, supposedly, the Clone Wars series. Edit: I guess it's more apt to say that Disney doesn't give a poo poo about Canonicity and that all its stuff is as legit as anything else until it's not. If it's published since the acquisition, it's Canon, right up until something contradicts it. But there is no "EU" or Lesser Canon any more. Mortanis fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 21:30
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Bongo Bill posted:There's a new EU. A neoeu. Or maybe an eunouveau.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:30
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Mortanis posted:There is no EU any more. HTH.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:33
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:TFA says that the capital of the Republic, previously established as Coruscant, is located in 'The Hosnian System'. Uh....no. That's not how it works at all.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:35
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The EU retcons the film with a convoluted story. It claims that there are multiple Republic capitals that all look the same, so what we saw was actually a clone of Coruscant and the real Coruscant survived. The EU also claims that Hosnia is not a star at all, but actually multiple planets that are called Hosnia. (Hosnia 1, Hosnia 2, etc.) This EU stuff sounds suspiciously like a 9/11 conspiracy theory. I'm just asking questions. Jet fEUl can't melt steel beams.
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[quote="“Mortanis”" post="“477283855”"] Unless something changed, Disney was explicit that there is Canon and there is Legends; everything Disney publishes, whether film or jointly through the Marvel comics, is Canon. If it’s in distribution in one fashion or another since the Disney acquisition, it is Canon. I don’t see anything that changed that and the Star Wars Canon list currently includes novels and comics. The only retroactive Canon are the movies and, supposedly, the Clone Wars series. Edit: I guess it’s more apt to say that Disney doesn’t give a poo poo about Canonicity and that all its stuff is as legit as anything else until it’s not. If it’s published since the acquisition, it’s Canon, right up until something contradicts it. But there is no “EU” or Lesser Canon any more. [/quote] Disney lied to you. In Star Wars, Han lies about the Kessel run. It's pure bullshit. But in TFA and (apparently) the upcoming Ron Howard film, the Kessel run is suddenly a real event. Disney has made Star Wars: Episode 4: A New Hope NON-CANON. [quote="“jivjov”" post="“477284046”"] Uh....no. That’s not how it works at all. [/quote] That's actually the definition of retconning. If it's eventually 'revealed' that the Luke from the end of TFA is actually an advanced robot duplicate of Luke, and that the guy who trained Kyle died in the fire offscreen, that will be a retcon. You've seriously been tricked into believing a weirdo Bigger Luke / Berenstein Bear conspiracy theory. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 21:38
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thrawn527 posted:SMG has made this argument before, that it doesn't matter if it's technically not called Coruscant, it looks and acts AS Coruscant for the purposes of the movie, so for the audience, it being a city planet is a call back to the prequels. It is meant to evoke Coruscant, in appearance and in function, and this only works because we see Coruscant in the prequels. It's weird that they don't just blow up Coruscant. What's the point of blowing up a planet that looks like Coruscant, serves the same function as Coruscant, and that 95% of the audience is going to assume is Coruscant, but then establishing somewhere in the fine print of the new EU that actually no, it's not Coruscant? (If the planet that's destroyed is ever identified in the movie as Hosnian Prime, it's extremely fleeting). I guarantee when and if Coruscant comes back into play a vast majority of the audience is going to say "wait, wasn't that blown up?" What are they keeping Coruscant on the map for? I guess the story group came to them late in post production and said "actually guys, we still need Coruscant not blown up so the Resistance can search the old Senate building for Palpatine's gold in Episode XV."
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Oct 11, 2017 21:54
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Guys, was Tatooine ever actually mentioned in the movies or is it just old EU now? Signed: A Concerned Start Wars Fan.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:04
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UmOk posted:Guys, was Tatooine ever actually mentioned in the movies or is it just old EU now? Episode I, at the very least, used the name.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:08
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I feel pretty confident that every planet, species, and background character that appeared onscreen and had a name under the old continuity still has the same name under the new continuity.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:11
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Luke says it (weirdly) at the end of Empire, the movie that doesn't show it.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:14
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thrawn527 posted:Episode I, at the very least, used the name. Yeah but come on. How do we know it's really Tatooine? Think I will file this as another unsolved mystery. Like whether Coruscant is in the movies or not.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:17
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Isn't that the planet they blew up in TFA?
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Oct 11, 2017 23:20
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Yea I was really losing sleep over the Coruscant thing, definitely wasn't just bored at work with 15 minutes to kill before quitting time.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:22
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Seaniqua posted:Isn't that the planet they blew up in TFA? No. That was DANtooine. You idiot, you loving moron.
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Oct 11, 2017 23:23
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I don't like sand
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Oct 11, 2017 23:24
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Holy poo poo I forgot how weird that was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICSNhMSaVgk
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moist turtleneck posted:I don't like sand Me neither. Everything Antikin says about it is 100% true.
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