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Given the theories about Grombrindals identity, putting in pictures of Naggarond would be more fitting, though. Scrub-Niggurath posted:Are temple guard the only infantry that use halberds with shields? Think so. Though Phoenix Guard just get a flat-out 30% resistance against physical instead.
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Vargs posted:Blessed Saurus Warriors never get tired and the quest for them seems quite common. Much better than Temple Guard imo.
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Oct 12, 2017 04:51
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Tyrion is a loving machine and I can't wait to burn Naggarond to the goddamn ground. What's are people doing for High Elven "Dedicated to <X>" traits? Mathlann is tempting for how good sea boys are, but I can see arguments for Hoeth/Dragon God/Vaul as well for having swoler end game elite troops.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Are temple guard the only infantry that use halberds with shields? Halberds are normally (in game sense) a 2-handed weapon so yeah, it would be unusual for a unit to use shields with them - The game's weapon set is pretty simple and follow a few general rules - you've got your one-handed weapons which are the sword/axe/whatever basic infantry weapon, and spears, which are slightly less base damage but have a bonus vs. large. Both of those can be paired up with shields. Then you've got great weapons, which are bigger swords/axes/whatever that do higher damage and also tend to have a higher proportion of that damage be AP. Halberds, like spears to 1-handers, do a bit less damage than GWs but have anti-large to compensate. In WH1 I think they were also a bit inconsistent about having AP damage but that seems more common in 2 so when Mortal Empires rolls around they may bring the older armies in line with that standard. So basically, the ability to use a GW/Halberd with a shield would be a special unit-specific perk, something on par with vanguard deployment or other special abilities that you wouldn't expect everyone to get.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Tyrion is a loving machine and I can't wait to burn Naggarond to the goddamn ground. I made Tyrion go and prey to his girlfriend's Goddess since his entire army is spearmen and archers. I'll probably go Vaul for the remainder sans all these generals with ridiculous missile damage boosts who'll probably go Mathlann. Yukitsu fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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The Cheshire Cat posted:In WH1 I think they were also a bit inconsistent about having AP damage but that seems more common in 2 so when Mortal Empires rolls around they may bring the older armies in line with that standard. No, I'm pretty sure all halberd weapons do both anti-large and armour piercing in the first game too.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Tyrion is a loving machine and I can't wait to burn Naggarond to the goddamn ground. Kurnous isn't a bad one for Tyrion. Lets you have him get stuck into the enemy army pretty much within the first 20 seconds or so.
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Oct 12, 2017 05:48
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What about Defender of Ulthuan vs. Aenarion? I mean Defender of Ulthuan is really nice but I find it hard to resist turning Tyrion into even more of a murderblender than he already is.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Halberds are normally (in game sense) a 2-handed weapon so yeah, it would be unusual for a unit to use shields with them - The game's weapon set is pretty simple and follow a few general rules - you've got your one-handed weapons which are the sword/axe/whatever basic infantry weapon, and spears, which are slightly less base damage but have a bonus vs. large. Both of those can be paired up with shields. Then you've got great weapons, which are bigger swords/axes/whatever that do higher damage and also tend to have a higher proportion of that damage be AP. Halberds, like spears to 1-handers, do a bit less damage than GWs but have anti-large to compensate. In WH1 I think they were also a bit inconsistent about having AP damage but that seems more common in 2 so when Mortal Empires rolls around they may bring the older armies in line with that standard. by ~the tabletop~ there are precisely two units with that setup, Temple Guard, on grounds they are dinosaurs and don't give a poo poo, and Phoenix Guard, on grounds they've taken a voice-silencing dip into the waters of Fate and also don't give a poo poo. Phoenix Guard fluff is quite good, incidentally. it is not a bug you never hear them speak. To become one of them involves travelling to the Great Shrine of Asuryan, Where Once Was Malekith Rendered Medium Rare, to witness the truths of eternity at the low low price of never being able to speak again. The princes of Ulthuan do not command the Phoenix Guard into battle- only the King has that power, and the last time any of them used it was the War of the Beard. The Silent Host just shows up, holds a segment of the battle line with a tenacity that even the dwarves will concede is impressive as all hell, and then leaves. it turns out that having witnessed your fated demise makes you really hard to 1. scare 2. kill. the Black Guard of Naggarond try, bless them, to be the equals of their High cousins, but no matter how much praise and glory Malekith heaps on them there's no getting around that they're just slightly better trained versions of Empire halberdiers. meanwhile the wood elf equivalent have no concerns re: honor/glory, they're just dedicated large stuff murder cadres. that their most common use is putting down Durthu's allies- er, corrupted treemen is politely ignored, much as it is politely ignored that most dryads learn how to fight by murdering random wood elves who stray into the wrong places, which naturally shift with the dryads' whims. athel loran is a loving hellscape, and Mazdamundi is right to want to burn it to the ground.
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Captain Oblivious posted:What about Defender of Ulthuan vs. Aenarion? Depends on difficulty. I'm on legendary where basically public order is the only thing I need ever.
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I'm starting to really like Stormvermin after all, at least as Queek with the discount. They're the only infantry I have that with a decent chance of keeping dinos off of my artillery.
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Oct 12, 2017 07:19
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Has there been any news from CA since release on the Mortal Empires map?
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V for Vegas posted:Has there been any news from CA since release on the Mortal Empires map? yes they announced the date.
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Oct 12, 2017 07:42
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Pretty sure Tomb Guards from the tomb king roster can take halberds and shields as well.
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V for Vegas posted:Has there been any news from CA since release on the Mortal Empires map? Quite a bit actually, they recently had a few interviews on the topic: http://www.pcgamer.com/how-total-war-warhammer-2s-free-mortal-empires-campaign-plans-to-glue-both-games-together/ https://www.totalwar.com/blog/mortal-empires-with-ian-roxburgh Some relevant tidbits: -Tentative release date is 26.10.2017 -Parts of the map will be squished, rescaled, or even cut, like the southwesternmost parts of Lustria -Starting locations of TWII lords will be adjusted, putting some of them in close contact with the Old World -Turn times will be hella long, no way around that. -Vortex victory condition is disabled. Instead, Old World factions may have conquering New World locations as their new victory conditions. -Rogue Armies and naval treasure locations will also pop up around the Old World -All further DLC will apply to Mortal Empires as well -Old raced won't get any Rites.
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Everyone hates clan mors! So annoying to fight off all the wars.
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On lizardmen chat, I found once I had to deal with the northern darkelves as mazdamundi, I couldn't keep the bulk of my army as things that rampage when hit by massed archers and cavalry, just fighting a single darkelf army was devastating losses and replaced the saurus frontline with templeguards with mazdamundi's discount, skinks aren't terrible as cheap light infantry filler either especially as peacekeeping forces to shut down rebellions. Going tall in mazdamundi's starting area and keeping the humans around to help with rebellions and settling the lovely north land while I focused on defending the ritual sites worked for me, but I can see there being good grounds for heading south and taking the many lizardmen unique sites in fantasy south america and going wide with high income.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Pretty sure Tomb Guards from the tomb king roster can take halberds and shields as well. While the sample model pictures in the army book depict Tomb Guard wielding Halberds and Shields, they don't actually have a rule that lets them use Halberds with one hand.
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They mentioned the mortal empires map is going to be pretty similar to what the russian dataminers found a year ago in case anyone was curious I dug it up, the highelves migrated pretty far south from being bordered with the skaeling settlements.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:On lizardmen chat, I found once I had to deal with the northern darkelves as mazdamundi, I couldn't keep the bulk of my army as things that rampage when hit by massed archers and cavalry, just fighting a single darkelf army was devastating losses and replaced the saurus frontline with templeguards with mazdamundi's discount, skinks aren't terrible as cheap light infantry filler either especially as peacekeeping forces to shut down rebellions. Eh, humans aren't worth tiptoeing around them. I kicked them out, so they just taken one ork town, settled there and than offered trade agreement and NAP anyway.
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Some people on the official forums tried to line up the snippet of map in the announcement to the dataleak:  Maps big
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Playing as Queek. A beastmen herd and I jammed up a suspiciously powerful Krok army and destroyed it (then I betrayed and destroyed them hehehe). Meanwhile some elves and lizards keep sailing into the ocean to fight each other while I hoover up sea garbage. They did it twice, then they sailed right by one another (presumably shaking their fists) sacked the others capital and then sailed toward home only to meet each other on the high seas. So they tried to kill each other again and the oceanic elves v lizards ballet continues. These guys are loving crazy and that's coming from skaven.
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Skavenblight is now a province between Tilea and Estalia.
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V for Vegas posted:Skavenblight is now a province between Tilea and Estalia. Oh, so that's what the swamps and streams were supposed to be. Always wondered why there wasn't a road connecting the two nations.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Some people on the official forums tried to line up the snippet of map in the announcement to the dataleak: Yeah I'm not too worried about some parts being chopped, it's gonna be loving huge. Now imagine the Mortal Empires with Warhammer 3's campaign tacked on... drat.
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I still find it weird how huge Ulthuan is. Loremasters of Hoeth own.
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MilitantBlackGuy posted:Yeah I'm not too worried about some parts being chopped, it's gonna be loving huge. Now imagine the Mortal Empires with Warhammer 3's campaign tacked on... drat. I think you are seeing exactly that already
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I have found that Temple Guard are a tarpit unit in the literal sense that anything running into them get's swallowed up and never seen again.
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Third World Reggin posted:I think you are seeing exactly that already Yeah, that Darklands area west of the bordered Old World isn't going to be in Mortal Empires.
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I am so very, very excited by the prospect of Mortal Empires as Wood Elves. So much amber, so little care about the life and well-being of the people I'm going to smother with arrows.
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I for one am most excited about battling rat men armed with nothing more that faith, steel and gunpowder (and impressive facial hair). Hopefully Skaven will pop up from time to time like beastmen and feral Orcs.
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Dartonus posted:While the sample model pictures in the army book depict Tomb Guard wielding Halberds and Shields, they don't actually have a rule that lets them use Halberds with one hand. Plenty of dudes could take halberds or occasionally great weapons and shields, like chaos warriors or even empire halberdiers. There was no « one hand halberd » rule, you just didn’t get to use the shield in melee if you had a 2 hand weapon. They still help against ranged fire so halberd/shield was a common chaos loadout. Pretty sure that applied to Temple Guard just like everyone else. Phoenix Guard don’t have shields.
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AttitudeAdjuster posted:I for one am most excited about battling rat men armed with nothing more that faith, steel and gunpowder (and impressive facial hair). I'd love for this to be the case too - have a few clans that aren't represented on the map to start with that can emerge as wandering threats anywhere except Ulthuan basically.
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That could realistically be modded when the time comes, if they aren't player controlled that's just new horde entries in startpos.esf, all the horde mechanics already exist for skaven.
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Bit bummed if they removed so much of the southern regions, cutting the western parts of Lustria and Not Canada does not really affect things, but the Southlands could been an interesting arena.
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Jesus Christ Kroq-Gar is borderline unmanageable as Queek. Those motherfucking Saurus warriors just don't die.
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JBP posted:Jesus Christ Kroq-Gar is borderline unmanageable as Queek. Those motherfucking Saurus warriors just don't die. My strat was to stockpile as much food as possible and throw it all at the first provincial capital that you get, instantly taking it to tier 3 so you can build catapults. I made a non-aggression pact with the Lizardmen to the north to keep that front clear (they broke it, but it held long enough), then blitzed Kroq before the island elves declared war.
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I threw wave after wave of rats at him. Thousands of rats. I sent so many loving rats that he eventually wanted peace and the instant he got it I ambushed him in a pass and brutally murdered him by drowning him in rats. gently caress you Kroq-Gar. You made me mad at a dinosaur man in a video game and you paid the price.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:I am so very, very excited by the prospect of Mortal Empires as Wood Elves. So much amber, so little care about the life and well-being of the people I'm going to smother with arrows. If Wood Elves aren't doing the tree of eternity as their victory condition in this go round then I wonder if they will even have with the Amber mechanic. I guess though it would make sense if they had the Tree of Eternity in for the global benefits to the army but not necessarily tie it into victory conditions, that way you could still have amber costs for the advanced units depending on if you started with Orion or Druthu. TBQH I hope we get The Bowmen of Oreon subfaction as it's own Legendary Lord that is unhooked from both Amber and also the Tree of Eternity in exchange for its own set of benefits. Make him a balls to the walls archer faction and maybe give him a couple of unique units that are like Sea Guard/Free Company Militia like that are competent both in melee and ranged.
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