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Invalid Validation posted:One of the worst things is he can't even pretend to give a poo poo about the country. Obama wasn't perfect but that man gave a poo poo and you could tell. Bush was fantastic at pretending to care about the country. Hell some of it was probably genuine. That's one huge difference between him and Trump.
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This is bad strategy. They need to hold off until after Mueller's report comes out and momentum is at its peak. These show pieces are satisfying but strategically poor choices.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:01
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Lol it's Kelly's turn to fall on the sword in front of the media
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Oct 12, 2017 19:03
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Vladimir Putin posted:This is bad strategy. They need to hold off until after Mueller's report comes out and momentum is at its peak. These show pieces are satisfying but strategically poor choices. What's the harm exactly? In this media environment I struggle to see how this can hurt Democrats.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:03
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Vladimir Putin posted:This is bad strategy. They need to hold off until after Mueller's report comes out and momentum is at its peak. These show pieces are satisfying but strategically poor choices. I disagree. You get a vote out now, get Republicans on the record voting beforehand, then when Mueller's report comes out you can paint Republicans however you want because they're already on record voting against impeachment.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:04
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Invalid Validation posted:One of the worst things is he can't even pretend to give a poo poo about the country. Obama wasn't perfect but that man gave a poo poo and you could tell. This is the thing. Obama did a lot of lovely things, but you at least got the feeling that he thought hard about most of them beforehand, because he was an intellectual man. Trump is execrable by reflex.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:05
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Trabisnikof posted:What's the harm exactly? In this media environment I struggle to see how this can hurt Democrats. Impeachment proceedings are not something you want to go through twice. Doing it now will probably fail. The Mueller report will be necessary to give the Republicans the cover they need to remove him. It's not that it would hurt Democrats specifically, it would be bad for the country generally. Do it once and get it over with.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:07
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Deteriorata posted:Impeachment proceedings are not something you want to go through twice. Doing it now will probably fail. The Mueller report will be necessary to give the Republicans the cover they need to remove him. Yeah but this vote isn't going to result in proceedings and everyone knows it. Green just wants GOP reps on record against it.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:08
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Kelly right now: A much more polished stooge than Huckabanders but still a stooge.
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Also President Hillary Clinton would have at least three impeachment votes in the House against her by this point.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:09
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Gort posted:This is the thing. Obama did a lot of lovely things, but you at least got the feeling that he thought hard about most of them beforehand, because he was an intellectual man. Obama had reasoned positions. Take Syria. He put down the red line as a bluff, and then decided the consequences of enforcing it were too great and let Assad call it. You can disagree with that course of action, and you can disagree with his interpretation of the scenario, but it was a reasoned position.
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This guy is an idiot but hey Kyle Griffin gets to make another tweet about some meaningless gesture house dems are making as if it's news.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:11
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Unlike Trump, Bush did have some good qualities. I'm not yet sure what they are, but I expect one or two can be found. There's the dog, I guess.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:12
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Unlike Trump, Bush did have some good qualities. No, Bush deserves the guillotine
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Oct 12, 2017 19:13
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Obama had reasoned positions. Take Syria. He put down the red line as a bluff, and then decided the consequences of enforcing it were too great and let Assad call it. You can disagree with that course of action, and you can disagree with his interpretation of the scenario, but it was a reasoned position. He shouldn't have put down a red line if he didn't intend to enforce it, but not invading Syria when everyone wanted to after the "red line" comment was probably the ballsiest and best foreign policy decision he made. It's kind of insane that bombing another country and putting troops on the ground will always make your approval rating go up and Obama got poo poo for years because he refused to bomb or invade Syria and Iran.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:No, Bush deserves the guillotine These are not mutually exclusive positions Hitler liked dogs, apparently
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Party Plane Jones posted:I disagree. You get a vote out now, get Republicans on the record voting beforehand, then when Mueller's report comes out you can paint Republicans however you want because they're already on record voting against impeachment. Does it matter what the record is for republicans BEFORE the report comes out? I mean depending on what the report says it's reasonable they would change their mind. Also these fake impeachment things just politicize it. It's not going anywhere and it makes it seem like another political game. You have to wait until a legit vote comes out so that people think it's a really big deal and a game changer. You vote on this like once a week and people are more likely to tune you out when the real thing comes. Trump will already be pushing that angle when the report comes out that it's a political witch hunt. The best strategy is to sit tight and wait until you have momentum. Same thing with Mueller. Wait, do it slowly, do it correctly--you only have one shot to take down Trump. If you miss you don't get a do over.
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I keep reading Rep Al Green as Rev Al Green and now "Lets Stay Together" is stuck in my head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM
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Oct 12, 2017 19:16
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Bottom Liner posted:Goddamn would it be some poetic justice if money is the thing to take Trump down. It's the only route that really has a chance of putting him in a loving cell. It got Capone
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Unlike Trump, Bush did have some good qualities. I guess those aren't as much "good qualities" as "aspects I didn't realize until now were worth commenting on."
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Unlike Trump, Bush did have some good qualities. President wise one of the worst in our generation because of the foreign policy disaster in Iraq. One thing he did Ok on was creating Medicare part D. Before then Medicare recipients had no prescription drug coverage. So that was good.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:18
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Bush was awful and is responsible for a million Iraqi deaths and the destabilization of an entire region of the earth that will be felt for generations, but he was stableminded. He talked funny and couldn't express complex ideas, but he had a working brain. He didn't delve in conspiracies or start petty slap-fights to satisfy his ego and eventually got sick of Cheney's bullshit. That's what you can say about W. At least his mind wasn't being consumed by untreated Syphilis.
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Bush at least was probably somebody who was a loving riot to hang out with on a personal level, especially back in his boozing and coke days. Trump is probably as loving intolerable in a personal setting as he appears to be
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RiggenBlaque posted:Bush at least was probably somebody who was a loving riot to hang out with on a personal level, especially back in his boozing and coke days. Trump is probably as loving intolerable in a personal setting as he appears to be Does that even matter though. I voted for Gore and I would not want to hang around with him. I just don't care about that aspect of a president.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:21
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Unlike Trump, Bush did have some good qualities. Dubya was great in Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay. Also his guilt-ridden paintings of constant bathing and wounded vets show a measure of contrition. d'oh i'm an idiot that wasn't actually dubya in H&K Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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theflyingorc posted:These are not mutually exclusive positions Hitler liked dogs so much that he felt sad after he had his killed! Blondi's wikipedia page posted:During the course of 29 April 1945, Hitler learned of the death of his ally Benito Mussolini at the hands of Italian partisans. This, along with the fact the Soviet Red Army was closing in on his location, strengthened Hitler in his resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be captured. That afternoon, Hitler expressed doubts about the cyanide capsules he had received through Heinrich Himmler's SS.[24] By this point, Hitler regarded Himmler as a traitor, and he had doubts about the content of the capsules. To verify the capsules' contents, Hitler—who already intended to have Blondi killed so that she did not fall into the hands of the Russians[25]—ordered Dr. Werner Haase to test one on Blondi, and the dog died as a result.[26] Hitler became completely inconsolable.
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Vladimir Putin posted:President wise one of the worst in our generation because of the foreign policy disaster in Iraq. He actually gave a poo poo about and tried to at least mitigate the damage, if not help the AIDS crisis in Africa.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does it matter what the record is for republicans BEFORE the report comes out? I mean depending on what the report says it's reasonable they would change their mind. I think the horse has already left the barn on the politicization of Trump's criminal acts. This current attempt won't stop any later attempts at all.
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I believe that Bush Jr. probably made decisions based on what he thought were for the good of the county, right or wrong. That's a.. good thing.. I guess. Trump bases every single decision on how it will benefit him, his ego, or his press.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Dubya was great in Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay. 
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does it matter what the record is for republicans BEFORE the report comes out? I mean depending on what the report says it's reasonable they would change their mind. DECORUM!! PROCESS!! SERIOUSNESS!!! AHGFLSJHIUEGHLDBNGOUEHGSHDPWQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Medicare Part D was a massive giveaway to the Pharmaceutical industry and he only released that plan to counter Al Gore's much better prescription drug plan.
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When Trump leaves office, I'm gonna do one of those movie things where I run into a bar and scream NEXT ROUND'S ON ME, EVERYBODY! I will celebrate his death every year until I follow him into the abyss.
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:When Trump leaves office, I'm gonna do one of those movie things where I run into a bar and scream NEXT ROUND'S ON ME, EVERYBODY! I will celebrate his death every year until I follow him into the abyss. Jokes on you. He's gonna take all of us with him when he goes down.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Does that even matter though. I voted for Gore and I would not want to hang around with him. I just don't care about that aspect of a president. I think being personable and having some level of emotional intelligence is important for a president, but I'm really just pointing it out as at least one good trait Bush had in stark contrast to Trump's 0.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Medicare Part D was a massive giveaway to the Pharmaceutical industry and he only released that plan to counter Al Gore's much better prescription drug plan. All true but how else would you give drug coverage to the elderly? Invent a non-pharma based solution that didn't exist and still doesn't exist to this day about a decade post ACA?
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BootStrap posted:Jokes on you. He's gonna take all of us with him when he goes down. Then he doesn't have to pay the tab.
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RiggenBlaque posted:I think being personable and having some level of emotional intelligence is important for a president, but I'm really just pointing it out as at least one good trait Bush had in stark contrast to Trump's 0. Yeah I struggled to think of a positive thing about him. At one point there was the idea he at least loved his family but then it came out he stopped helping out his nephew's medical care when his brother pissed him off. He has pretty much no redeeming qualities at all.
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Comparing other presidents to Trump is hard because he's so incompetent that it blunts his ability to succeed at evil to a certain degree. As a human being he's absolutely the loving worst, worse than anybody you can name by miles. The combination of undiluted, unrepentant evil and just dumb as gently caress has no precedent. As president, nothing he's done so far is as bad as what LBJ or Nixon did in Vietnam, or what W did in Iraq, or what Reagan did all over the domestic landscape. But that's because he's so loving dumb he can't even get his own party to go along with half of his poo poo.
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eyebeem posted:I believe that Bush Jr. probably made decisions based on what he thought were for the good of the county, right or wrong. That's a.. good thing.. I guess. I think most of his decision making is based off "what did Obama do? gently caress that guy I'm doing the opposite" and I'm not really even joking that much
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