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Fingers McLongDong posted:Are you playing a deck that ramps at all? I know some titanshift decks will play witchbane orb in the sideboard to help against storm and burn since they can usually play it t3. Oh yeah that's a good point, I forgot about that. I wish it could help again turn 1/turn 2 discard though. I actually lost to a Storm player a few weeks ago while on Valakut when he used Manamorphose to hardcast Leyline and I couldn't kill him in time.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:RW prison is pretty popular and putting up good results these days, if a deck is weak to that, blood moon in particular, or bogles, I could see running 1 in the side. I wouldn't, personally, but I could see it happening. Back to nature is not a good sideboard card against r/w prison , please play other cards if r/w prison is a deck you are having bad matchups with. You should be focusing on cards that hit chalice and bloodmoon since they are used in more decks.
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plow under/back to nature just riggety wrecked me Is this guy handy for bogles or too easy to lightening bolt?
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Been doing a lot of draftsim.com to try and get better at card evaluation and since limited seems like a nice environment to spend most of my time getting back in. 15 bucks a week is a night at the movies and snacks, and I can keep building up cards for Standard. If you are not already listening to Limited Resources today's episode is a good look at the pick order for the top 3 archetypes.
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Sickening posted:Back to nature is not a good sideboard card against r/w prison , please play other cards if r/w prison is a deck you are having bad matchups with. You should be focusing on cards that hit chalice and bloodmoon since they are used in more decks. Just to play devil's advocate, back to nature is arguably a good card against RW prison because it hits moon/o-ring/castout while not being countered by a chalice on 1 like nature's claim. I could see a budget deck or a mono-green stompy deck trying it, but if you're ramp at all you'd rather just play fracturing gust (still bad). Modern is weird and people will take weird sideboard cards to other events sometimes just because they happen to be very good at a local metagame, I'm rarely surprised by what I see at a modern tournament anymore. Omar al-Bishie posted:plow under/back to nature just riggety wrecked me Too easy to bolt/path/push if you're talking about maindeck. If you're worried about LotV, it's a matter of playing dryad arbors and learning to always leave a fetch on the table in case they play one and try to make you sac your only dude. Fingers McLongDong fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Omar al-Bishie posted:plow under/back to nature just riggety wrecked me I don't play boogles but my impression from playing against it is that part of the value of the deck is targeted removal is useless against it, and all you're doing is giving them an outlet for that previous dead card so it will get hit immediately maybe if you sideboarded it in after they sideboarded out all their targeted removal
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Oct 12, 2017 16:05
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Omar al-Bishie posted:plow under/back to nature just riggety wrecked me Leylines does the job more effectively. Don't feel bad losing to plow under or back to nature, you aren't going to see those cards in paper ever. evilweasel posted:I don't play boogles but my impression from playing against it is that part of the value of the deck is targeted removal is useless against it, and all you're doing is giving them an outlet for that previous dead card so it will get hit immediately Smart players will do that but they also have to worry about Kor Spiritdancer which can end a game in a single turn. It also makes cards like Gaddock Teeg and cannonist stronger out of the board as they have gotten rid of most of their removal. I just don't think the other creature makes the cut. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Omar al-Bishie posted:plow under/back to nature just riggety wrecked me Plow Under, now that's a deep fuckin cut. I don't think the card you posted is especially good. If your goal is to protect your guys from being sacrificed to Liliana of the Veil then the aforementioned Leyline of Sanctity is a better option. Remember, Lili's sacrifice ability reads "TARGET player sacrifices a creature" so Leyline means they can't target you with that ability.
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C-Euro posted:Plow Under, now that's a deep fuckin cut. Generally the only removal you are worried about comes from cascade. Even the totem armors nullify wraths and its shocking how many people don't know what totem armor does.
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I put in a dryad arbor in the main deck, thanks all  I'm kind of glad that guy isn't so great because my sideboard was full, now I can put in some graveyard hate.
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Tainen posted:If you are not already listening to Limited Resources today's episode is a good look at the pick order for the top 3 archetypes. I have picked up the last few eps and will give this one a listen on my commute. It's a good 'cast-- pretty approachable without a ton of jargon; straightforward and their analysis seems pretty sober and relevant.
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I include a copy of Back to Nature in the side of the Little Kid GW deck I like to bring to more casual modern events because there are two serial bogles players at my lgs, come at me
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sit on my Facebook posted:I include a copy of Back to Nature in the side of the Little Kid GW deck I like to bring to more casual modern events because there are two serial bogles players at my lgs, come at me The only time I have seen a back to nature cast was during a grand prix trial after they made the change to regular rel. Someone was playing in the top 8 with the funky enchantment deck against jund. The jund player mysteriously had 3 back to natures in his sideboard. This is why decklists are always a good idea.
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goferchan posted:So I don't play much Magic anymore but I'm familiar with the rules. I'm completely unfamiliar with oldschool formats like legacy though .... just stumbled upon this guide to playing Belcher and this poo poo rules. It's really fun to see how the deck comes together. Any other weird/interesting/broken Legacy or Vintage decks that I should check out if I enjoyed that? Look up the old Hermit Druid combo decks. When the Legacy format was created he was banned. A similar effect fuels the landless Oops, all spells! / Breakfast Burrito idea which relies on throwing your entire library into the graveyard then using Dread Return or Unburial Rites to get back something game-winning, as early as turn 1. Not good enough to be competitive due to inconsistency but absolutely hilarious. Manaless Dredge has already been mentioned and is the consistent version of the above. If you're okay with digging into Modern, I suppose you could look at decks like Lantern Control, which is another deck that turns the entire game on its head.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5r6U57Rog Its not confirmed yet because the video is new but a chinese company is claiming to be producing hologram fakes. Normally I would be taking a video of this to be a bait a switch (real cards in the video) while sending you bad fake cards. There is only one problem. The expeditions are not foil in this video so are definitely not real. If by the low chance these are not bait and switch, WOTC is going to be kicking themselves for letting the print runs being so lovely. The hologram has up until this point meant you were getting the real deal despite colors ranges being so different. I guess we wait and see. Sickening fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Love the insert chosen for LSV in this Channel Fireball team introduction video they put out today: https://youtu.be/QvQPXyjDJFE
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Sickening posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5r6U57Rog Wow, that's just awful, it seems like there is no step WotC can take to ensure only authentic Magic: The Gathering product can be confidently resold on the secondary market that won't ultimately be thwarted by counterfeiters. Do you have a link to this seller?
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Sickening posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5r6U57Rog I can't tell from the video but Alpha Investments had a video showing a bunch of fakes and the holo stamps had circles on them instead of the Planeswalker symbol.
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C-Euro posted:Plow Under, now that's a deep fuckin cut. Plow Under is such an amazing-looking card. It's double land destruction that also ensures the opponent won't draw anything for the next two turns. It must be worse than it seems, though, or else more decks would run it.
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Decks don't run it because it's a 5 mana spell in a format where 4+ mana spells must provide huge board presence or directly contribute to winning the game almost immediately.
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evilweasel posted:I don't play boogles but my impression from playing against it is that part of the value of the deck is targeted removal is useless against it, and all you're doing is giving them an outlet for that previous dead card so it will get hit immediately I play suppression field in the main in Bogles instead of leyline in the main and it feels great A+ highly recommend. Slamming a T2 field while on the play is just so hateful against so many decks.
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Zemyla posted:Plow Under is such an amazing-looking card. It's double land destruction that also ensures the opponent won't draw anything for the next two turns. It must be worse than it seems, though, or else more decks would run it. It costs five mana in a format where a five mana spell kinda needs to win the game for you.
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The Shortest Path posted:Decks don't run it because it's a 4 mana spell in a format where 4+ mana spells must provide huge board presence or directly contribute to winning the game almost immediately. It's a five mana spell. I do miss playing GW control on Onslaught era standard and rampant growth -> WOG -> Plow Under'ing bitches all day.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Wow, that's just awful, it seems like there is no step WotC can take to ensure only authentic Magic: The Gathering product can be confidently resold on the secondary market that won't ultimately be thwarted by counterfeiters. there's actually a super easy way: provide a reasonable supply themselves.
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little munchkin posted:there's actually a super easy way: provide a reasonable supply themselves. But then how would the price for a two-ounce slice of cardboard and ink be ruinously-eye watering, keeping filthy poors from competing in constructed play?
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little munchkin posted:there's actually a super easy way: provide a reasonable supply themselves. This. There is no reason for modern staples to still be in the 40-50 dollar range due to the lovely print runs of the Masters sets
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Well you see, if WOTC didn’t allow for the fantasies of cardboard barons, literally nobody would play their games just like nobody plays LCGs
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Chill la Chill posted:Well you see, if WOTC didn’t allow for the fantasies of cardboard barons, literally nobody would play their games just like nobody plays LCGs Do you mean that allowing their distributors to sell singles and compete against LGS's wasn't a good idea.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:It's a five mana spell. I do miss playing GW control on Onslaught era standard and rampant growth -> WOG -> Plow Under'ing bitches all day. Eternal Witness/Astral Slide/Plow Under was a cool and fun gameplay loop
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Lunsku posted:Love the insert chosen for LSV in this Channel Fireball team introduction video they put out today: This isn't getting nearly enough love Videos trying to make nerd sports all serious are invariably hilarious and I'm glad LSV/CFB decided to do something a little fun.
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Boxman posted:This isn't getting nearly enough love Someone should put together a MTG version of those "360 noscope trickshot" CoD videos. I'm imagining something like those dubstep train simulator videos that were a thing a few years ago.
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It's me, I'm the one who's been running Back to Nature in my board for a year. After reading this thread, I think I want a second. And I will start mainig two Nissa Stewards. In Affinity.
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Zemyla posted:Plow Under is such an amazing-looking card. It's double land destruction that also ensures the opponent won't draw anything for the next two turns. It must be worse than it seems, though, or else more decks would run it. What others have said, plus with the prevalence of fetch lands they could shuffle away the lands if they really wanted to. It's a weird card by today's standards but 8th Edition has a lot of those. I think the only decks that would want to play it are ramp decks and even then they have better ways to spend 5 mana. Maybe it'd be best in Ponza (lol) since they have a whole mana denial thing going on.
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TheDemon posted:
How well does that one play now that a bunch of decks are mainboarding leylines? I could see that being really problematic for trying to establish your lock because it prevents you from shuffling their library with lantern, as well as milling them with codex shredders.
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TimNeilson posted:How well does that one play now that a bunch of decks are mainboarding leylines? I could see that being really problematic for trying to establish your lock because it prevents you from shuffling their library with lantern, as well as milling them with codex shredders. Leyline is a problem for Lantern(although Bell still works and some builds have maelstrom pulse, I think), but I don't think very many decks main Leyline?
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Elyv posted:Leyline is a problem for Lantern(although Bell still works and some builds have maelstrom pulse, I think), but I don't think very many decks main Leyline? Maybe I'm just assuming it's more prevalent than it is because I keep reading about it in this thread.
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Retromancer posted:Someone should put together a MTG version of those "360 noscope trickshot" CoD videos. I'm imagining something like those dubstep train simulator videos that were a thing a few years ago. What's the Magic version of MULTITRACK DRIFTING?
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Anyone ever sell cards to cool stuff inc? Just recently found out they have a buy list and I’m going to use the wizard poker crack money for board games anyway. Lone Goat posted:What's the Magic version of MULTITRACK DRIFTING? Storm. It’d also be the easiest to match with Eurobeat
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Sickening posted:If you see back to nature cast against you, you are ether having people gameplanning for you at your local LGS or someone is sneaking them into their sideboards when they play against you. If someone cast back to nature against me I am calling a loving judge because nobody is bold enough to throw it in a 75 these days. Remember kids, everyone is cheating always. It must be exhausting being so convinced that every single person you play is cheating. Reminder that I lost to Choke the other week which is 100x more unplayable than Back to Nature and wasn't even good against my deck. People are bad and make bad choices that make them feel clever constantly. Especially in modern. Back to Nature is the perfect modern sideboard card, really. It's worthless 99% of the time but when you draw it you win the game.
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Lone Goat posted:I didn't realise that it was 30 cards, but it's pretty impressive that half a room is running mill decks when there's only one non-rare mill card in the format. Well, my LGS banned Navigator's Ruin in league, so I'll just say the problem solved itself and Vance's stays.
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