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rumble in the bunghole posted:It won’t even last two days, anyone who tries to push this as a problem without enough momentum from the Weinstein scandal is going to sound like an idiot sounding like an idiot has never stopped anyone on Twitter
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I don't get how that photo is more offensive than all the Fogle, Epstein, pizzagate jokes they make on the show
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^ based_brit is that you? Breadallelogram posted:I don't get how that photo is more offensive than all the Fogle, Epstein, pizzagate jokes they make on the show yeah you'd almost think the people complaining about the photo actually never listen to the show
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Oct 13, 2017 01:07
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I'm too busy respecting women to listen to podcasts
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Breadallelogram posted:I don't get how that photo is more offensive than all the Fogle, Epstein, pizzagate jokes they make on the show Because this time Will Menaker and the DSA guy did the one thing you should never, ever do on the Internet: apologize. Even if you're wrong, you can never apologize. 
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Cosby joke was fine, execution was a little meh, but don't apologize in the face of fake outrage
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people getting mad at the cosby joke are probably more viscerally mad than they ever have been at the inequality under capitalism
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Again, a lot of people getting mad at it are actual leftists. Otherwise they wouldn't be apologizing.
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Best part is that it came out on the same week as the PSA folks had Eliot "Iraq was still the right war" Cohen on and published a piece by Tim "republicans need to act now to prevent ACA taxes from kicking in" Miller. Twitter is the worst, because it is all politics as spectacle. Looking progressive is more important than being progressive. Luckily, it is almost impossible to find people in real life that care about these twitter spats.
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can't believe this, i am cancelling my sub and giving the money to the podcast that did not post an offensive joke, cum town
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Henchman of Santa posted:Again, a lot of people getting mad at it are actual leftists. Otherwise they wouldn't be apologizing. I've seen a lot of people who claim to be leftists getting mad about it, but I don't know if they actually are leftists.
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Their close friends, Brandy Jensen, Alex Press, and Kath Barbadoro, all called them out on it. It's not random internet people telling them they goofed.
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and emma roller, sarah jones who i believe has been a guest, @zandywithaz who i believe let them stay in her house in LA, eve peyser, etc. etc. again, even if the joke was not dumb and bad, it didn't land at all with the people that matter
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deadwing posted:They didn't outright post "wow its insanely hosed up that bill cosby still has a star" but instead left it to subtext which is way too much for dense motherfuckers on reddit and twitter It's two things: one, most of the people on left twitter were sharing molestation stories and poo poo involving men for the last few days, and two, Josh is a comedian and a podcaster, but also DSA LA co-chair. If the DSA is a serious political group, it needs serious leadership. It shows a lack of judgment on his part to think that would fly, especially knowing his audience and being a chair. It's just incredibly tone deaf. And it wasn't even a good joke!
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CortezFantastic posted:It's two things: one, most of the people on left twitter were sharing molestation stories and poo poo involving men for the last few days, and two, Josh is a comedian and a podcaster, but also DSA LA co-chair. If the DSA is a serious political group, it needs serious leadership. It shows a lack of judgment on his part to think that would fly, especially knowing his audience and being a chair. It's just incredibly tone deaf. And it wasn't even a good joke! I appreciate this. I understand the backlash better now.
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i just hope this peer pressure just doesnt make them lose their edge and go for a safer, wider comedic appeal in the future
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CortezFantastic posted:It's two things: one, most of the people on left twitter were sharing molestation stories and poo poo involving men for the last few days, and two, Josh is a comedian and a podcaster, but also DSA LA co-chair. If the DSA is a serious political group, it needs serious leadership. It shows a lack of judgment on his part to think that would fly, especially knowing his audience and being a chair. It's just incredibly tone deaf. And it wasn't even a good joke! Oh, well that makes far more sense and is totally understandable. Much more helpful than yelling about how it's bad timing with 0 explanation.
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Basically it's a problem of Online being bad. The joke is fine on its own, but it absolutely doesn't belong in the same space in which people have been sharing such deeply personal stuff. Twitter doesn't provide any barriers between the two.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:22
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It turns out you can't be both edgelord and woke.
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So the consensus I'm picking up on here is that the whole "we're the New American Left and we're gonna get poo poo DONE" thing is over and everyone's back to infighting and purity tests.
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Nothus posted:It turns out you can't be both edgelord and woke. Hmm, the bodega boys.
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Weembles posted:So the consensus I'm picking up on here is that the whole "we're the New American Left and we're gonna get poo poo DONE" thing is over and everyone's back to infighting and purity tests. Thank god, we're back in my wheelhouse!!!
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Weembles posted:So the consensus I'm picking up on here is that the whole "we're the New American Left and we're gonna get poo poo DONE" thing is over and everyone's back to infighting and purity tests. This is why the left has been so successful for so long.
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Online DSA types: - infighting is bad -democratic centralism is also bad 
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CortezFantastic posted:It's two things: one, most of the people on left twitter were sharing molestation stories and poo poo involving men for the last few days, and two, Josh is a comedian and a podcaster, but also DSA LA co-chair. If the DSA is a serious political group, it needs serious leadership. It shows a lack of judgment on his part to think that would fly, especially knowing his audience and being a chair. It's just incredibly tone deaf. And it wasn't even a good joke!
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Josh needs to pick between being a DSA chair or being a comic IMO. Running a political group is serious and forcing your comedy on its members is pretty lovely. It's such an unforced error when you really look at it. If this was Baked Alaska we'd be rightfully mocking him for how tone deaf it is.
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Q: How many DSA members does it take to screw in a ligh.. A: (interrupting)THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
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CortezFantastic posted:It's two things: one, most of the people on left twitter were sharing molestation stories and poo poo involving men for the last few days, and two, Josh is a comedian and a podcaster, but also DSA LA co-chair. If the DSA is a serious political group, it needs serious leadership. It shows a lack of judgment on his part to think that would fly, especially knowing his audience and being a chair. It's just incredibly tone deaf. And it wasn't even a good joke! Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. It's definitely a case of poor timing and judgement. Relin posted:i just hope this peer pressure just doesnt make them lose their edge and go for a safer, wider comedic appeal in the future Weembles posted:So the consensus I'm picking up on here is that the whole "we're the New American Left and we're gonna get poo poo DONE" thing is over and everyone's back to infighting and purity tests. Honestly, this is really what bothers me about the whole thing. I really don't want the left to sink back into impotent centrism, and Chapo's bluntness is one of the things I like about them.
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man, I'll take people mildly criticizing a bad joke that made them uncomfortable any day over a bunch of nerds flipping out that their precious podcast hosts got owned online.quote:Honestly, this is really what bothers me about the whole thing. I really don't want the left to sink back into impotent centrism, and Chapo's bluntness is one of the things I like about them. the boys, and the DSA chair they were with, both apologized soon after, because they realized they had a lapse in judgement. hopefully, they will be more mindful going forward, and hopefully people will forgive them for something lovely but minor. I think that will be the case. The tone of most of the criticism wasn't the liberal "drag him!!!!!!!", it was a lot more measured. honestly, the reactionary backlash of "it's jsut JOKES" is way more concerning to me. it seems waaay disproportionate to the criticism actually coming from the left. hint: if your kneejerk reaction, as a leftist, is to demand people "not be so sensitive", you are being a really lovely ally. Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Stickfigure posted:Lol at Bodega boys being lefties, they spend like a third of every ep stunting on broke boys. And another third on the A.K.A's . And they ride for Hillary. Bodega Boys gave me $100 during Bodega Bucks. They are for the proletariat.
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Famethrowa posted:man, I'll take people mildly criticizing a bad joke that made them uncomfortable any day over a bunch of nerds flipping out that their precious podcast hosts got owned online. I'm going to assume most people who dismissed it at first thought the criticism was coming from the same people who got pissed about the whole "bend the knee" poo poo and had no idea about the surrounding twitter context (or at least that was the case for me). When the actual, like, context is explained I think you'll find a lot more people will side with you.
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next episode will be a struggle session where NYC media girls with pixie cuts berate matt and will and beat them with closet dowels for an hour and 15 minutes
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Felix remains the gooniest of them all https://twitter.com/byyourlogic/status/918711081094193153
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Famethrowa posted:man, I'll take people mildly criticizing a bad joke that made them uncomfortable any day over a bunch of nerds flipping out that their precious podcast hosts got owned online. My kneejerk reaction is "Be angry at Cosby!!!"
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Henchman of Santa posted:Felix remains the gooniest of them all lmao
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Saagonsa posted:I'm going to assume most people who dismissed it at first thought the criticism was coming from the same people who got pissed about the whole "bend the knee" poo poo and had no idea about the surrounding twitter context (or at least that was the case for me). When the actual, like, context is explained I think you'll find a lot more people will side with you. Yeah, I assumed it was a bend the knee thing. Famethrowa posted:man, I'll take people mildly criticizing a bad joke that made them uncomfortable any day over a bunch of nerds flipping out that their precious podcast hosts got owned online. That being said, this is correct too and I'm glad you wrote it.
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Famethrowa posted:the boys, and the DSA chair they were with, both apologized soon after, because they realized they had a lapse in judgement. hopefully, they will be more mindful going forward, and hopefully people will forgive them for something lovely but minor. Read the reddit threads linked here if you think the backlash is disproportionate. In it, people accuse them of bad opinions because "the episodes have edits, which means they must have said really offensive things". Someone calls elevator jokes an 'ableist dogwhistle'. Someone complains about them fat-shaming Steven Seagal. The reason some of the criticism they got from the left wasn't so bad is because the people criticizing them are their friends or acquaintances, real-life or online. That's not great. It means people are only willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about something minor because they know you, and less likely to do so otherwise. quote:hint: if your kneejerk reaction, as a leftist, is to demand people "not be so sensitive", you are being a really lovely ally. There is such a thing as 'being too sensitive' in the context of a group. Especially in the context we're discussing this, which is "way after it happened, after the post had been taken down and people had apologized". I mean, look at your own post. "Hopefully people will forgive them for something lovely but minor". Why didn't you write "people should forgive them for something lovely but minor"? Why can you judge the severity of the injury (it's minor) but not judge what the appropriate reaction should be? It should be obvious that no group or community could ever function properly if letting go of minor things wasn't an imperative. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Famethrowa posted:hint: if your kneejerk reaction, as a leftist, is to demand people "not be so sensitive", you are being a really lovely ally. If you kneejerk reaction, as a leftist, is to interpret everything in the worst way possible and to immediately assume that people who repeatedly affirmed everything you believe in are secretly evil, then you might be a
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