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Is 18-22 really the most important development years? This seems like an American mindset problem.
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Oct 11, 2017 18:58
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Kids should be playing futsal (or other small sided games) way more than they're currently playing outdoor.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:07
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XyrlocShammypants posted:This result is the ultimate redemption of Jurgen. The guy was right and everyone around him was wrong Only if you live in Bizarro World.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:11
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Klinsmann failed to develop a generation, got stymied by the entrenched warlords on the youth level, then killed an entire cycle by importing Germans who could pronounce the local US military base correctly. He was brought in to change the culture, and instead he brought about the beginning of the end. It's not all his fault - Gulati is where the buck stops - but he was a disaster disguised as a savior. Arena took the scraps and made chicken salad out of chicken poo poo. But even he fell into hubris. Not rotating the team when it's all to play for is an absolute crime. His selection of defenders was dire, and the insistence on the old and inadequate was bound to haunt us in time. Bob Bradley did more with less. He won with Charlie Davies and Benny Feilhaber, for gently caress's sake. So maybe it's the systemic rot.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:42
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I don't understand why Klinsmann tried to change the culture of the national team first. It's a totally ridiculous goal. The people in charge need to understand that real change will come from getting kids interested in soccer at a young age and funneling them into properly run academies. People all over the drat world know how to do this, the problem is just getting the money to build academies and build them everywhere, and that's not what MLS does (for a million obvious reasons we've already covered). Klinsmann can do his Klinsmann things once those players come of age, but by trying to force it upon players who are totally incapable of playing his style, all he did was make the national team bad. We all know interest in soccer in the US is driven by the success and visibility of the national team, so by trying to change the culture from the top down he did nothing but destroy the mechanism that would actually drive that change on a grassroots level.
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Oct 11, 2017 19:54
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Dirk Pitt posted:Is 18-22 really the most important development years? This seems like an American mindset problem.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:19
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Jesus Christ. Never change MLS fans.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:22
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We should probably care a bit more about skill than we do about raw physical ability.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:33
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Crazy Ted posted:Well those are the years in which the body and the brain fill out and finally reach full adult-level physical maturity. Sure, but if you don’t have any skill sets at that point, it doesn’t matter. Even football players learn how to play the game young, and that’s a game that requires physical maturity and raw strength. E. Let’s be real, football needs college football because that gets your body contact-ready for the NFL. Soccer doesn’t because a lot of the physical toll in soccer isn’t (shouldn’t be) contact related. Basketball is a mixed bag but I like college basketball. FartingBedpost fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Oct 11, 2017 20:45
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FartingBedpost posted:Sure, but if you don’t have any skill sets at that point, it doesn’t matter. Even football players learn how to play the game young, and that’s a game that requires physical maturity and raw strength. This is my point. If you suck at 16, you’re probably going to suck between 18-22.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:47
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Dirk Pitt posted:Is 18-22 really the most important development years? This seems like an American mindset problem. No. but they're not unimportant. Every bit of development is important and any worthless route that hinders it contributes to the problem.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:51
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Dirk Pitt posted:This is my point. If you suck at 16, you’re probably going to suck between 18-22. Totally. I hate when US fans argue that we just need the best athletes to start playing soccer. We don’t need eleven JJ Watts on the field, because JJ Watt has a skill set totally unrelated to soccer. Build players with the right skill sets and then work on physical development. You can have both.
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Oct 11, 2017 20:52
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sportsgenius86 posted:No. but they're not unimportant. Every bit of development is important and any worthless route that hinders it contributes to the problem. Do you really think he's saying "totally ignore development between 18-22"?
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Oct 11, 2017 20:58
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I feel like this entire collapse deserves it's own thread. I'm pissed as well, probably more than most people but I don't know I don't feel the need to yell about it in the MLS thread
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Oct 11, 2017 21:13
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Seltzer posted:I feel like this entire collapse deserves it's own thread. I'm pissed as well, probably more than most people but I don't know I don't feel the need to yell about it in the MLS thread I was thinking the same thing actually; it's clogging up the international thread as well. Feel free to post one.
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Oct 11, 2017 21:21
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I follow the international thread and heard these two arguments a couple of times. Aren't they contradictory? - American players leave Europe for MLS fat salaries - MLS has poor attendance, poor sponsor interest, salary caps = is poor in general
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Oct 11, 2017 21:30
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Doctor Malaver posted:I follow the international thread and heard these two arguments a couple of times. Aren't they contradictory? I think there are rules that allow American players to make more than others in MLS?
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Oct 11, 2017 21:31
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Gigi Galli posted:I was thinking the same thing actually; it's clogging up the international thread as well. Feel free to post one. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3837194
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Oct 11, 2017 21:33
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Thanks!
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Oct 11, 2017 21:57
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Dirk Pitt posted:I think there are rules that allow American players to make more than others in MLS? Nah, a team can only have so many international players. Other than that American & foreign born players are pretty much treated the same in the MLS Calvinball Rulebook Bonanza.
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Oct 11, 2017 22:06
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Dirk Pitt posted:I think there are rules that allow American players to make more than others in MLS? This is not quite correct. Your Michael Bradley or Jozy Altidore types that are being lured over from Europe to their DOOOOOOOOM are just like any other Designated Player contract - their impact against the salary cap is fixed and their actual pay is an unrelated number that is whatever the team owner wants to pay them and can afford to, so there's no limit on what they can earn regardless of nationality. This is why Kaka, not an American, was the highest-paid player in MLS. (I say was because, in what is either unfortunate timing or a deliberate news dump, he announced today that he won't be returning for 2018.) What IS correct is that the domestic player quota (among other things) means that Americans are worth more to MLS teams than they are to foreign teams, much like the "English player tax".
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Oct 11, 2017 22:08
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So no Kaka and no Pirlo in MLS next year. Looking pretty thin on anyone worth getting a jersey for. Not many aging thirty something players left to dominate mls backlines nowadays
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Oct 12, 2017 00:24
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So no Kaka and no Pirlo in MLS next year. Looking pretty thin on anyone worth getting a jersey for. Not many aging thirty something players left to dominate mls backlines nowadays
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Oct 12, 2017 00:32
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So no Kaka and no Pirlo in MLS next year. Looking pretty thin on anyone worth getting a jersey for. Not many aging thirty something players left to dominate mls backlines nowadays Schweinsteiger? But who knows if/how long he's staying.
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Oct 12, 2017 00:35
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Lil Seb is almost 30 right?
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Oct 12, 2017 00:45
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So no Kaka and no Pirlo in MLS next year. Looking pretty thin on anyone worth getting a jersey for. Not many aging thirty something players left to dominate mls backlines nowadays I'd think you would be happy about this but I should probably know better. Our billionaires are learning? Villa and Schweinsteiger will basically be the only ones left I think: Giovinco will be 30 eventually but he's not the same sort of signing exactly, he was a twentysomething Juventus fringe player brought over to clown on MLS backlines (and did so so successfully that he managed to make Toronto fall in love with him and even make Jozy look good.) Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 00:54
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So no Kaka and no Pirlo in MLS next year. Looking pretty thin on anyone worth getting a jersey for. Not many aging thirty something players left to dominate mls backlines nowadays Haven't Kaka and Pirlo been pretty poo poo this year? or am I missing something... Also which MLS coach ends up replacing Brucey? Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 01:38
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Caleb Porter
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Oct 12, 2017 02:34
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Ben Olsen For America
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Oct 12, 2017 03:28
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Curt Onalfo
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Oct 12, 2017 03:40
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Dallan Invictus posted:I'd think you would be happy about this but I should probably know better. At least we had the coattails of aging respected players to sell merch on. Now we don’t even have that
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Oct 12, 2017 04:20
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Hahahahahahahahah https://twitter.com/NYCFC/status/918522031502655488 At least this is actually in New York this time...but it's in the Mets' stadium. whypick1 fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 18:07
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Well, if NYCFC actually ever get Willets Point they might as well get used to the commute.
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Oct 12, 2017 21:42
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Jack2142 posted:Haven't Kaka and Pirlo been pretty poo poo this year? or am I missing something... Orlando literally has a better record when Kaka doesn't play and Pirlo is a shadow of his former self that should have retired on a high note years ago
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Oct 13, 2017 02:03
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MLS adjacent Portland Thorns beat NC Courage for the NWSL championship today 1-0. It wasn't a terribly attractive game unless you like hard challenges & refs who are afraid to card stars early.
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Oct 15, 2017 07:02
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highme posted:refs who are afraid to card stars early. It's my biggest problem with refereeing. The idea that a foul isn't a yellow or red in the first minute, but is one in the 70th. It drives me absolutely nuts.
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Oct 15, 2017 07:11
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highme posted:MLS adjacent Portland Thorns beat NC Courage for the NWSL championship today 1-0. It wasn't a terribly attractive game unless you like hard challenges & refs who are afraid to card stars early. I just watched the highlights clip NWSL posted, it was seven minutes long and a six and a half minutes of it was yellow card-worthy fouls.
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Oct 15, 2017 07:16
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As someone who watched all of it...yeah, that sounds about right.
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Oct 15, 2017 07:19
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:It's my biggest problem with refereeing. The idea that a foul isn't a yellow or red in the first minute, but is one in the 70th. It drives me absolutely nuts. Tobin should have had a yellow in the 2nd minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJl2pUjx_UU&t=25s wicka posted:I just watched the highlights clip NWSL posted, it was seven minutes long and a six and a half minutes of it was yellow card-worthy fouls. yup Also, at least 2 members of the broadcast team referred to Taylor Smith as Taylor Swift. highme fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 07:44
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wicka posted:Caleb Porter 
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