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roh is good, there is just a lack of buzz because of a lack of exciting feuds and matchups. the shows are Not Bad. i think if they want to freshen things up roster wise and make it feel wide open, they should get rid of the television title. having one singles championship as the focus would help increase the value of singles feuds since they will all be tiered from the championship level down, and it will help increase the number of potential championship matches that you really can't have with that artificial stepping stone of a midcard title. if the tv championship were as protected and treated as strongly as it was during its first couple years, then this argument wouldn't really be as big of a deal, but i mean its been an easily forgotten belt since jay lethal lost it. their tag division i think is also really strong but is being hampered by the existence of the 6 man belts along with their regular tag titles being featured mid-low on the card (when it very well could be main event level). they currently have access to KES, Briscoes, Young Bucks, MCMG, War Machine, Silas Young and Beer City Bruiser (they are not amazing wrestlers but they are great unique characters and that does matter.), once lucha underground is dead there will be more possible teams they can craft that can help bolster the division. they should also stop running off good black wrestlers. that will help them in their growth. i think jimmy jacobs, if we can go off of his 2005-2007 writing, should be given a shot with helping book to try and pepper in life to this company.
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Oct 13, 2017 07:46
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The Greatest ROH Champion ever, at a time that he had become the best wrestler in the world (as Clamdigger Danielson plummeted down the rankings)
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Oct 13, 2017 07:47
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What always drew me to ROH were how well they've done blood feuds, but I don't know that they've really done an outstanding job at them since Steen/Generico since I haven't heard about a hot one since
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Oct 13, 2017 07:48
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RealFoxy posted:What always drew me to ROH were how well they've done blood feuds, but I don't know that they've really done an outstanding job at them since Steen/Generico since I haven't heard about a hot one since davey richards vs eddie edwards could have been one i felt. davey vs steen was almost there, but that felt more like steen vs cornette which hurt it. adam cole vs lethal was starting to get there but cole just won the title and lethal kind of petered out like he always does. right now it feels like there isn't that babyface to get behind and thats really something that's missing.
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Oct 13, 2017 08:31
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Anyone else watch this week's episode of ROH? Is it as good as the review states: http://www.pwponderings.com/2017/10/11/roh-100717-tv-review-hung-bucks-vs-last-real-men/ Just realised you could watch ROH TV for free on the Fite app in Ireland.
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Oct 13, 2017 10:29
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In line for tonight's ROH show and  everyone but me is wearing BC merch. Smh at no one respecting LIJ 
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Oct 13, 2017 22:09
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I'd probably watch ROH TV more often (when I do catch it it's generally fun, good wrestling and easy to watch), but the local affiliate keeps changing the timeslot like every month and I always forget what time it's supposed to be on.
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Oct 13, 2017 22:31
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achillesforever6 posted:In line for tonight's ROH show and Dammit where's your Great Bash Heel shirt!
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Oct 13, 2017 23:31
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Welp Mark just killed his elbow
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Oct 14, 2017 00:15
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Man, streamer guy got really fat
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Oct 14, 2017 02:47
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sportsgenius86 posted:Man, streamer guy got really fat Turn on your monitor.
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Oct 14, 2017 04:08
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ROH was fun shame Mark Brisco's elbow is completely hosed and they had to cancel that match, I got to meet Suzuki it was just as great as I imagined; sick and tired of BC though and all their dumb BTE memes, will have my mark pics with Hiromu and Suzuki
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Oct 14, 2017 04:37
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achillesforever6 posted:ROH was fun shame Mark Brisco's elbow is completely hosed and they had to cancel that match, I got to meet Suzuki it was just as great as I imagined; sick and tired of BC though and all their dumb BTE memes, will have my mark pics with Hiromu and Suzuki I sure hate the BC and all of their memes that sold out the tour but the other hot topic stable and all their memes is very fresh along with the very stale old man.
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Oct 14, 2017 04:40
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MassRafTer posted:I sure hate the BC and all of their memes that sold out the tour but the other hot topic stable and all their memes is very fresh along with the very stale old man. achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Oct 14, 2017 04:54
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MassRafTer posted:I sure hate the BC and all of their memes that sold out the tour but the other hot topic stable and all their memes is very fresh along with the very stale old man. Yeah agreed they do suck
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Oct 14, 2017 05:06
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MassRafTer posted:I sure hate the BC and all of their memes that sold out the tour but the other hot topic stable and all their memes is very fresh along with the very stale old man. Matt Taven isn't that old
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Oct 14, 2017 05:08
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oatgan posted:Yeah agreed they do suck SUCK IT!
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Oct 14, 2017 05:10
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MassRafTer posted:SUCK IT! His comment was good but your comment was......... TOO SWEET
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Oct 14, 2017 05:14
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We're on like Year 3 of the Internet going "ugh BC and Bucks are so stale" while they keep getting more popular and selling more merch than ever
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Oct 14, 2017 05:16
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Benne posted:We're on like Year 3 of the Internet going "ugh BC and Bucks are so stale" while they keep getting more popular and selling more merch than ever Stale or bad doesn't necessarily equal thing people don't like in droves See how the Transformers films were big moneymakers except the last one
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Oct 14, 2017 05:21
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I see people who don't even watch wrestling wearing the "______ Club" t-shirts and it's kind of strange
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Oct 14, 2017 05:22
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Newlegacy Inc should send ROH a C&D because Rhett Titus' gimmick is a direct ripoff of Jericho's The Big Dawg character, down to how he talks
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Oct 14, 2017 05:26
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RealFoxy posted:I see people who don't even watch wrestling wearing the "______ Club" t-shirts and it's kind of strange I don't know. I mean, skulls, some bullets?
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Oct 14, 2017 05:28
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weird how some people have aesthetic preferences different from the general public
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Oct 14, 2017 05:34
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Skulls are cool
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Oct 14, 2017 05:38
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I am heavily into amateur phrenology atm.
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Oct 14, 2017 05:44
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Benne posted:We're on like Year 3 of the Internet going "ugh BC and Bucks are so stale" while they keep getting more popular and selling more merch than ever Donald Trump proves we got bumper crop of stupid marks right now.
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Oct 14, 2017 06:27
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Y'all go on for pages and pages about how making money is the only thing that matters in wrestling, and WWE can't attract casual fans these days. Then when someone actually makes money outside of WWE, and attracts casual fans without the WWE machine, they're suddenly "only meme over" or taking advantage of "stupid marks." Give me a break.
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Oct 14, 2017 06:43
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Benne posted:Y'all go on for pages and pages about how making money is the only thing that matters in wrestling, and WWE can't attract casual fans these days. Then when someone actually makes money outside of WWE, and attracts casual fans without the WWE machine, they're suddenly "only meme over" or taking advantage of "stupid marks." Give me a break. Anyway, New Day are superior on that front bc Black Twitter creates better memes at a faster rate than BC's vids. And if you just wanted good tag team wrestling, well… gotta wait for the revival to come back I'm afraid
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Oct 14, 2017 07:48
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Basic Chunnel posted:BC have if nothing else demonstrated that dull characters and dull work can draw outside the WWE. In earnest, you could write a lot abt how BC and their particular brand of line-toeing ironic/unironic schtick is very Of 2017. If the dorks who lined up for schezuan sauce ever got it they would have too sweet'd one another. But no way is this forum good enough for such a discussion. This is a grossly simplistic dismissal of an act that clearly tapped into something in the culture, outside the confines of pro wrestling fandom. You certainly can't describe them as "dull" given how much attention, sales, and influence they sustained over nearly a half-decade. That kind of staying power just doesn't happen in regular meme culture, and it's clearly not going away any time soon. If you want a strong, healthy indie wrestling scene, I think it's more instructive to find out how they connected so strongly and build off that, rather than bitch about why they shouldn't connect. Tomorrow's big indie stars sure won't get anywhere if they stick to "the way things should be" instead of focusing on "the way things are heading." quote:Anyway, New Day are superior on that front bc Black Twitter creates better memes at a faster rate than BC's vids. And if you just wanted good tag team wrestling, well… gotta wait for the revival to come back I'm afraid New Day/Usos had by far the best tag team matches of the year, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue here.
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Oct 14, 2017 08:27
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Benne posted:This is a grossly simplistic dismissal of an act that clearly tapped into something in the culture, outside the confines of pro wrestling fandom. You certainly can't describe them as "dull" given how much attention, sales, and influence they sustained over nearly a half-decade. Yes you can?
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Oct 14, 2017 15:09
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Yes you can? Calling the BC's work "dull" is really stupid given The Young Bucks and Omega are the main draws of the BC and their work is the opposite of dull. You can find flaws with their work and maybe not even like it, but dull is the exact opposite word to use.
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Oct 14, 2017 15:11
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RealFoxy posted:I see people who don't even watch wrestling wearing the "______ Club" t-shirts and it's kind of strange I think you meant to post that in the shit_that_didnt_happen.txt thread.
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Oct 14, 2017 15:15
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Basic Chunnel posted:BC have if nothing else demonstrated that dull characters and dull work can draw outside the WWE. In earnest, you could write a lot abt how BC and their particular brand of line-toeing ironic/unironic schtick is very Of 2017. If the dorks who lined up for schezuan sauce ever got it they would have too sweet'd one another. But no way is this forum good enough for such a discussion. People like fun wrestlers with a silly act? Oh my god, this is so 2017, it's literally never happened before, now let's all talk about the acts that the bullet club are ripping off who were popular doing the same thing with less wrestling ability throughout history edit: Cody Rhodes does stink though
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Oct 14, 2017 15:20
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MassRafTer posted:Calling the BC's work "dull" is really stupid given The Young Bucks and Omega are the main draws of the BC and their work is the opposite of dull. You can find flaws with their work and maybe not even like it, but dull is the exact opposite word to use. Oh I like the elite just fine but I don't think it's crazy to find a fairly old gimmick relatively boring
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Oct 14, 2017 15:47
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I think the thing that annoyed me was the constant attempts at "gently caress the Revival" chants, I mean at this point its just kicking someone when they are down.
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Oct 14, 2017 15:52
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achillesforever6 posted:I think the thing that annoyed me was the constant attempts at "gently caress the Revival" chants, I mean at this point its just kicking someone when they are down. Honestly, they're the only people still talking about The Revival. It's doing more to keep them relevant than whatever WWE is doing for them
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Oct 14, 2017 16:09
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Troxartas posted:Honestly, they're the only people still talking about The Revival. It's doing more to keep them relevant than whatever WWE is doing for them
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Oct 14, 2017 16:12
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Basic Chunnel posted:BC have if nothing else demonstrated that dull characters and dull work can draw outside the WWE. In earnest, you could write a lot abt how BC and their particular brand of line-toeing ironic/unironic schtick is very Of 2017. If the dorks who lined up for schezuan sauce ever got it they would have too sweet'd one another. But no way is this forum good enough for such a discussion. Counterpoint: gently caress The Revival
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Oct 14, 2017 19:20
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I feel like people that call BC stale forget that Kenny and Marty are also a part of it. Just say gently caress the Young Bucks. Save time.
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