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The New Republic is a combination of pre 1940 France and the UK (trying not to start a war, horribly unprepared for one) The furry dude who gets killed off when Starkiller fires is Chancellor Villecham
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I agree with this statement. I was baffled by Rian Johnson's popularity when I researched his body of work: essentially those two slightly above average films and "the Fly" episode of Breaking Bad which honest-to-God is the only episode of the show that I skip when I re-watch. Later I realized it was his down-to-earth relatability as a common nerd that won people over. I judge people based on how they feel about "The Fly". It's great. Jeb! Repetition posted:Wait the Resistance lost between the first and second movies? No. Jeb! Repetition posted:Also is it actually called the Resistance? That's ridiculous. Did you watch The Force Awakens? The name "The Resistance" is in the opening crawl. Finn says like 80 times, "I'm with the Resistance" along with a bunch of other people. Poe and Rey both say, "Are you with the Resistance?" When Han, Chewie, and Finn and momentarily captured, and the X-Wings show up, Han says, "It's the Resistance". They said the name so many times it became kind of comical.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Wait the Resistance lost between the first and second movies? ...did you not watch the movie?
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Captain Splendid posted:The New Republic is a combination of pre 1940 France and the UK (trying not to start a war, horribly unprepared for one) This is pretty much it. The french third republic and the causes of it's fall is a hotly debated topic among historians, especially in France and the english world. Basically it boils down down to two narratives. The first one focuses on the political and moral decay of France in the interwar period. The second focuses almost exclusively on a lack of adequate military preparation mixed with the french planning for the defense beng based on what would later be realized was majorly inaccurate assumptions and thus doomed to fail barring extreme material superiority. The Republic in TFA seems to follow a bit of both narratives if you read in on it's background.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Wait the Resistance lost between the first and second movies? The Last Jedi reportedly begins immediately after TFA ends, with the Resistance being forced into retreat, because the First Order still has vastly superior... everything. Numbers, firepower, resources, etc.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:18
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The movies really need to clarify what the resistance is. The republic either didn't believe in the threat the first order represented or didn't want another war. The resistance is a paramilitary of those who chose to fight. It's not a super confusing concept but by not addressing it it makes everything weird going forwards.
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Oct 13, 2017 17:32
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Is the First Order a separatist movement or an insurgent political party or Imperial remnants or what?
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porfiria posted:Is the First Order a separatist movement or an insurgent political party or Imperial remnants or what? Imperial Remnants. Palpatine's big plan upon his death was to burn down most of his Empire, except for a small contingent of the best of the best which was sent through the Unknown Regions to rebuild. Add 30 years and they became the First Order. They've come about in the New Republic in some fashion, with financial backing from somewhere, but their power is mostly unknown. Which is why Poe looks so surprised when he's on board the FO Star Destroyer. They didn't know they had that kind of power. The Emperor was mapping these Unknown Regions (using some super old alien tech) because he sensed some big evil thing out there. The running theory was that the thing was Snoke, and he found the remnant and took it over. The burning down of the Empire was the Battle of Jakku, which is where all of the wreckage comes from.
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Oct 13, 2017 19:54
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Its primarily remnant, with some turncoat new republic planets who ceceded.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:00
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If thats the film story thats so unbelievably bad on its face id be ok with a franchise reboot.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:00
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It's the setup to TFA from the books, which I will not read. The important part for the films is 'rebuilt empire the republic doesn't want to fight', but the movie didn't even cover that
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I'm guessing some of that was created in notes by Abrams and Kasdan as background for TFA. And then Chuck Wendig came around and made a lovely books series called Aftermath based on those notes, and added some stuff to "flesh it out". What stuff would be from notes and what from Wendig is anybody's guess. Hopefully we get another "Secret History" style book for the new trilogy someday, but I doubt it.
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ShineDog posted:It's the setup to TFA from the books, which I will not read. Rebuilt empire is in the opening crawl.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:08
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, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire
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The republic not wanting to fight them is the important detail and makes the resistance make sense as the group that fights the order
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That's true. That part is not in the opening crawl. Though it can be inferred from : General Hux: Today is the end of the Republic. The end of a regime that acquiesces to disorder. At this very moment in a system far from here, the New Republic lies to the galaxy while secretly supporting the treachery of the rogues of the Resistance. This fierce machine which you have built, upon which we stand will bring an end to the Senate, to their cherished fleet. All remaining systems will bow to the First Order and will remember this as the last day of the Republic!
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The big thing to me is the cut scene where Leia sends an envoy to the Senate to seek assistance
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Barudak posted:If thats the film story thats so unbelievably bad on its face id be ok with a franchise reboot. Not sure why you have such a negative take on it. What part of it doesn't work for you? Brings to mind the Nazis fleeing to Argentina after WW II. We've explored Argentina though, so it was easier for people to track them there. Teek fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Teek posted:Not sure why you have such a negative take on it. What part of it doesn't work for you? Yeah, that's how I've seen it too. And I love the show Nazi Hunters, so I'm all about that take. It's basically, "What if the 4th Reich became reality?" and marched up through Central America to attack the United States.
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And if before they attacked, they reached out to certain sympathetic groups and politicians in the U.S. to pave the way. But there's no way the far right and Nazi party could get sympathy in the country which fought them right? Dumb.
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Hux is going to deliver an impassioned speech in TLJ containing Snoke's Second Order: to "have a good time out there, guys"
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Right, Hux. Another thing from the books is that Hux's father is the guy who actually started the Stormtrooper program (the new way of not recruiting troopers, but basically raising children to be troopers from the start), and they both were in the group of Imperials who went out to the Unknown Regions with the Remnant. Only Hux was a kid, I forget how young but maybe 10. The guy in charge of the whole operation didn't really like Hux senior, so he basically told this kid he's going to be in charge now, or real soon. Watching TFA with this in mind, I can't help but see Hux as this guy trying to live up to his father. He's taken over his father's program, which has never truly been tested, and is now trying to, not only make a name for himself, but prove his father's 30+ year plan isn't a waste. He's desperate for it to all work, but he doesn't really know what the gently caress he's doing, so he's masking it with zealous passion.
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thrawn527 posted:Watching TFA with this in mind, I can't help but see Hux as this guy trying to live up to his father. He's taken over his father's program, which has never truly been tested, and is now trying to, not only make a name for himself, but prove his father's 30+ year plan isn't a waste. He's desperate for it to all work, but he doesn't really know what the gently caress he's doing, so he's masking it with zealous passion. Brendol Hux is a big part of the Phasma book, and it features some information on his and his son's relationship. For anyone interested. Armitage killed his father with Phasma's help. Apparently he was abusive and a huge piece of poo poo. You don't really see father and son interacting, but you get Brendol being a piece of poo poo to a lot of people.
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ShineDog posted:The movies really need to clarify what the resistance is. The republic either didn't believe in the threat the first order represented or didn't want another war. The resistance is a paramilitary of those who chose to fight.
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TFA = North Korea nukes DC & all of the military apparatus, now they are going to crush the last of those who stand against them: antifa Or the confederation of oregon militias, if you believe that having a pocket urban legend jedi = bigfoot
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Teek posted:Not sure why you have such a negative take on it. What part of it doesn't work for you? If palpatine was building an army to fight a hitherto unknown space threat so great he was doing what had to be done it is simultaneously extremely poor writing and an apology for facism.
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Barudak posted:If palpatine was building an army to fight a hitherto unknown space threat so great he was doing what had to be done it is simultaneously extremely poor writing and an apology for facism. On the other hand I think most of the commentary about this - other than an offhand remark during the intergalactic assholes' invasion that "boy, if only we had a couple of those Imperial planet busters right now" - was the grand military planning of Thrawn, who was a different sort of fascist rear end in a top hat than Sheev.
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Is Porg a Sith Lord?
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Luke being a villain would be the hackiest thing to ever be done in the history of the franchise A franchise which includes the book Darksaber
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Waffles Inc. posted:A franchise which includes the book Darksaber technically not anymore! 
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HannibalBarca posted:technically not anymore! didn't it get namedropped in rogue one? that little bit where they're looking through projects and they rattle off a bunch of easter eggs e: i'm dumb, i didn't see the word 'book' in that sentence
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Brother Entropy posted:didn't it get namedropped in rogue one? that little bit where they're looking through projects and they rattle off a bunch of easter eggs Darksaber is now the name of literal black lightsaber, made by the first Jedi from Mandalore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD9i6Du1u8E
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Wait the Resistance lost between the first and second movies? That's just a nickname, TFA clearly establishes it's actually called The Loathsome Resistance.
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Oct 14, 2017 05:09
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Ah, yes, my favorite villain from the prequels: Lens Flare.
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Oct 14, 2017 06:04
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Lens F'Lare is my Star Wars OC.
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Why isn't Porg on the poster?
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Why isn't Porg on the poster? The movie comes out in two months. I’m just assuming there will be a porg poster sometime between now and then.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Why isn't Porg on the poster? Here you go! 
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Porg.
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