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Yaws posted:Yes dumok, the prequels have some down right beautiful estabilsihng shots: Totally mang. Plus all the other shots.  
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The important thing to remember about Anakin is that it's a character that George Lucas wrote to be "cool." Thing is, all of the most evocative stuff in Star Wars can usually be traced back to helping hands (Harrison Ford, the VFX artists, costumers, etc.), which were able to massage vague or iffy script work into something stronger. By the time the prequels rolled around, Lucas had absolute control over every aspect of production, not being limited by studio presence, or by having his work filtered through different directors. So he wanted a plucky lil' James Dean, and by god that's what he was going to get. But that esoteric "coolness" was always pushed with broad strokes (drives fast! Rebellious pout! Surfs a space dinosaur!), instead of presented through a character lens. So, ultimately instead of James Dean, Lucas ended up with a James Dean impersonator. With all that entails.
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Oct 13, 2017 23:35
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Fart City posted:The important thing to remember about Anakin is that it's a character that George Lucas wrote to be "cool." What makes you say that?
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Oct 13, 2017 23:44
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Lord Hydronium posted:I generally like Christensen's Anakin, but yeah, my main issue with the AOTC love story is that Padme's character is really hard to read, from a mix of Portman's acting and the general flow of the love story. Everything up to the scene on the freighter is pretty straightforward: we start with Anakin very interested in Padme and Padme not noticing/being put off by it, then she slowly warms up to him. But then we get the scene with the queen, and that whole progression takes a big step back as he gets big for his britches and she puts him down, and then immediately after they're making out, and it's full on forbidden romance from there. It's not like it's impossible to reconcile, but there's something missing from the script or Portman's performance to show why Padme is reacting in these ways, even if it's just that she's kinda flighty (which I don't think is consistent with the rest of her character). Anakin's side of the story is pretty straightforward, in comparison; he's interested in her from the beginning and sometimes acts like a dick to impress her because he's a teenager. I don't think Padme is intentionally trying to hurt Anakin in the scene with the queen. She's starting to get friendly with Anakin but she still wants to be in charge of her own security, and she doesn't realize that he's angry about the fact that he's still a Padawan. After that, they're alone, and even though she thinks it wouldn't be a good idea to get involved with a guy who is forbidden to have attachments when she herself has so much responsibility, she's still really attracted to Anakin and so she is more intimate with him than is probably appropriate, but in a way that still gives herself some plausible deniability. I think all of that is in line with Padme's character, she's an accomplished politician, but never had a normal childhood and is idealistic and romantic to a fault. She's less open about her feelings than Anakin is for most of the movie, but I think you can still track what she's thinking if you take the movie in it's entirety. I agree that Natalie Portman generally seems disinterested in the role, though.
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Lord Krangdar posted:What makes you say that? I always felt that it was pretty obvious. And let me clarify: I'm specifically talking about AOTC Anakin here. The character is definitely formed from the mold of the aforementioned James Dean in terms of appearance and dialogue, with a bit of The Wild Ones thrown in for good measure. Drives fast cars, bucks the system, is presented as a romanticized bad boy. There's clear intentions to set him up as a bit of a 50's era heartthrob. Problem is that the character serves a larger narrative purpose that is far darker. I think that's why the character has so much tonal whiplash in the movie: he needs to be both this classic Hollywood leading man, but also a budding maniac. That balancing act doesn't really work because it sets the character to two very different extreme, and whether it's question of not having the time to explore it or the subtlety, Lucas just can't fill the gap.
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I don't know when you last watched Rebel Without a Cause, but Jim Stark was absolutely a "socially retarded teen."
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I see a sort of a send-up of that kind of "cool" character. He's got that bad boy thing, but he's also clearly not an aspirational figure, so he's not romanticized.
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Bongo Bill posted:I see a sort of a send-up of that kind of "cool" character. He's got that bad boy thing, but he's also clearly not an aspirational figure, so he's not romanticized. See, now that's an interesting read. I'm not sure I buy it as being what was intended, though. Everything in Star Wars is so arch, I kind of feel like that's a bit too graceful of a needle to thread. Schwarzwald posted:I don't know when you last watched Rebel Without a Cause, but Jim Stark was absolutely a "socially retarded teen." Then I would argue that Lucas' intended homage succeeded to some extent. Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Oct 14, 2017 00:05
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These porgs are everywhere, they're even getting Hot Toys figures (with bonus Jedi training Rey figure).
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ImpAtom posted:This conversation comes up all the time but it never actually makes sense. Hayden's acting is consistent even when it shouldn't be. There are times, based off other character's responses, that he is supposed to come off as charismatic, likable or othewise something besides creepy. As written and directed Anakin is someone who wears a mask much of the time and it slips more and more which is why it becomes ironic when the mask he adopts is the one that literally gets strapped to his face so he doesn't die after the one of the two people he trusts and cares for dies and the other betrays him. Instead he's that way constantly and it plays against the idea of the character. I can get behind this to a certain extent, because the Anakin of the CGI Clone Wars cartoon is much closer to the sweet spot of someone wearing that mask of being cool, being actually heroic and charismatic sometimes, but with more than a little dark undercurrent and immaturity. He's a more traditional and expected Star Wars type of character and a lot easier to enjoy watching.
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I see that as being the case because we're seeing Anakin in his element. He's a man of action, and in the Clone Wars he gets to do what he does best. Besides, in later seasons he has more and more moments that foreshadow Revenge of the Sith.
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Fart City posted:See, now that's an interesting read. I'm not sure I buy it as being what was intended, though. Everything in Star Wars is so arch, I kind of feel like that's a bit too graceful of a needle to thread. ...so you agree Anakin works as a send up to the James Dean style troubled teen, but that's bad because that's not "what was intended?"
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The Porg thing is kinda funny because if Lucasfilm is really trying to recreate the OT you'd think they'd wait until the third film before forcing someone cute onto us.
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Beeez posted:I agree that Natalie Portman generally seems disinterested in the role, though. Portman gets pretty into it once she's riding a space tiger and hunting down Count Dooku on his escape bike. Padme's character, much like Anakin, is someone who's trapped between lofty ideals that she really wants to embody and promote (this is how democracy dies, etc) but can't get away from the fact that the defining event of her child-queen-hood was when she participated in the all-action all-fighting storming of her own palace. She hates 'war' in the abstract, but keeps a spring-loaded gun in the armrest of her throne.
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CelticPredator posted:Windows and couches all dang day. Absolutely brilliant, world-class, criticism here.
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Schwarzwald posted:...so you agree Anakin works as a send up to the James Dean style troubled teen, but that's bad because that's not "what was intended?" Oh quit being a butt. My initial point is that many of the failures of Anakin extend from Lucas being unable to stick the landing of his sincere homage while also juggling the larger, darker narrative responsibilities of the character. Whether that works metatextually in favor because of those failures is a different discussion.
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Fart City posted:Oh quit being a butt. My initial point is that many of the failures of Anakin extend from Lucas being unable to stick the landing of his sincere homage while also juggling the larger, darker narrative responsibilities of the character. Whether that works metatextually in favor because of those failures is a different discussion. 
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The MSJ posted:These porgs are everywhere, they're even getting Hot Toys figures (with bonus Jedi training Rey figure). I cannot wait for the TLJ supercut that cuts out everything not related to the Porgs and calls it the "Special Edition" of TLJ
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I like how AOTC is basically a matryoshka doll of deceit and dualism. The movie goes to fairly extreme lengths to disorient the viewer. Like, why are Padme and Zam Wesell in matching outfits? But then it turns out that Zam has this ogre-like interior. And that she's actually just working for Jango Fett. And Jango is just working for Count Dooku, who is actually Darth Tyranus, who is working for Darth Sidious, who is actually Chancellor Palpatine. What? edit: is Cnut the Great gone? I miss his extremely interesting effort posts 
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Jewmanji posted:edit: is Cnut the Great gone? I miss his extremely interesting effort posts I believe he went to prison for clumsily lighting his neighbors house on fire with some fireworks. RIP Cnut. Some people here miss you
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Jewmanji posted:Padme and Zam Wesell in matching outfits? What was this?
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Yaws posted:I believe he went to prison for clumsily lighting his neighbors house on fire with some fireworks. I'm loling. Forgot about the arson thing.
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UmOk posted:What was this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsqqLeVc-b0&t=179s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i94r3-zOhoc Her costume is really just a match with Captain Typho, but the resemblance is undeniable.
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Yaws posted:I believe he went to prison for clumsily lighting his neighbors house on fire with some fireworks. Wait...did this actually happen?
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jivjov posted:Wait...did this actually happen? yeah lol https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3825923 unless it's a super lame joke
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He's been posting in GBS as of a few days ago. I think he's fine.
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That video reminds me of something else. The prequel posters were amazing.  Actually most of the movies had kick-rear end posters. Even if they didn't exactly represent the story. 
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Jewmanji posted:He's been posting in GBS as of a few days ago. I think he's fine. I wouldn't call posting in GBS "fine"
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Yaws posted:I believe he went to prison for clumsily lighting his neighbors house on fire with some fireworks. what the absolute gently caress
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Justin Godscock posted:The Porg thing is kinda funny because if Lucasfilm is really trying to recreate the OT you'd think they'd wait until the third film before forcing someone cute onto us. Oscar Isaac was in The Force Awakens.
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I always thought it was kind of dumb and poorly executed how Dooku front flips over the railing right before he fights Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS. But then I realized it has the effect of a bat apparating into a vampire/Dracula. Cool entrance.
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That was a sweet fuckin' move when Anakin slices of Dookus hands.
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To hold off until the new film comes out...I'm finally going to listen to the original Radio Drama...I've heard many good things!
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Yaws posted:That was a sweet fuckin' move when Anakin slices of Dookus hands. That look on Dooku's face when Palpatine said "Kill him" is brilliant.
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Davros1 posted:That look on Dooku's face when Palpatine said "Kill him" is brilliant. That's when he knew. That's when it hit him. For all his pomp and elitism Palpatine had no intention of ruling the galaxy with him. He was being used all along. It was always about Anakin. It was his last thought before Anakin lopped his head off.
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It was exactly the sort of pulp genre fiction twist that Christopher Lee was made for. It even had the music sting. If it had had a crash zoom, it would have been perfect.
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Davros1 posted:That look on Dooku's face when Palpatine said "Kill him" is brilliant. [record scratch] Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this mess.
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