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Maybe next season TSM will work on their weakness of "the enemy having a single thought enter their heads within the first 30 minutes of the game, including during champ select."
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mistaya posted:Honestly I feel really bad for G2, they'd have got out of any other group at least 2nd (or probably 1st in D). There was just no room for them in the group they drew. And I have been quick to call them garbage in the tournaments where they choked hard, this was not one of them though. C9 has been playing for early game and varying their champ select. If any team was actually going to make it out this tournament it’s them.
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Oct 14, 2017 23:07
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C9 definitely showed they were actually adapting to the meta curve by the end of last week, but my confidence in any NA team is rapidly dwindling so I really need to see what happens during their first game tonight to tell whether or not C9 actually have been noticing adaptations.
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Oct 14, 2017 23:22
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As long as edg is still playing like last week then c9 has second place in their group imo
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Oct 14, 2017 23:30
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Ulio posted:Wait what? Bjerg hard carried their only win today. I'm not sure I'd call it a carry performance considering that he was gifted all of his kills by some insane bumbling from MSF. The style TSM played that game was the style they played domestically and in week 1: play very passive, wait for the enemy to gently caress up, and then capitalize. The lack of any real midlane/jungle pressure and the lack of decisive shotcalling makes it extraordinarily difficult for them to do anything against competent, aggressive teams. I think they would've gotten 0-3'd if Alphari hadn't lost his mind in champ select and if MSF didn't try to force so many weird plays in the midgame. If Bjerg can't make the necessary calls, then they need to find someone that can, either by junking Sven and getting an Xmithie-style jungler or finding a mid who's willing to pull the trigger when needed.
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Oct 14, 2017 23:39
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C9 not making it out would be pretty bad considering edg and ahq are really bad right now
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Oct 14, 2017 23:51
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Frankly any team whose players utter words like "cum" and "dong" doesn't deserve to make it out of groups.
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Oct 15, 2017 00:03
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Biofrost carried the MSF game, his Rakan engages blew up the solo laners before they could react to Twitch ult and allowed DL to shred the whole team. Bjergsen wasn't really stomped other than the game vs. xiye's Jayce but he also never put the team on his back like Jensen did vs. EDG
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Oct 15, 2017 00:04
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Rip DIG http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21024198/dignitas-league-legends-championship-series-franchising-application-declined
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Oct 15, 2017 00:16
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Savage Cracker posted:Rip DIG Holy gently caress it costs a $13 million buy in to get an LCS slot now?
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Libertine posted:Holy gently caress it costs a $13 million buy in to get an LCS slot now?
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Oct 15, 2017 00:34
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Looks like The Three Kings still have some pull.
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Savage Cracker posted:Rip DIG also probably see ya later P1 if you can infer anything about other established orgs not making it. EDIT: totally forgot about FLY. They're toast. NotQuiteQuentin fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 00:43
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Vermain posted:I'm not sure I'd call it a carry performance considering that he was gifted all of his kills by some insane bumbling from MSF. The style TSM played that game was the style they played domestically and in week 1: play very passive, wait for the enemy to gently caress up, and then capitalize. The lack of any real midlane/jungle pressure and the lack of decisive shotcalling makes it extraordinarily difficult for them to do anything against competent, aggressive teams. I think they would've gotten 0-3'd if Alphari hadn't lost his mind in champ select and if MSF didn't try to force so many weird plays in the midgame. If Bjerg can't make the necessary calls, then they need to find someone that can, either by junking Sven and getting an Xmithie-style jungler or finding a mid who's willing to pull the trigger when needed. totally agree. Its funny because people were praising tsm in the first week for playing "korean style" aka win late game teamfights/outmacro. I actually think TSM's last year super early focus was a good idea they just had a really tough group.
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Ulio posted:totally agree. Wait what? Anyone praising TSM in the first week is retarded. TSM looked like rear end in week 1 and then promptly played the same exact way in week 2 because they don't have any clue how to actually adapt.
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RealFoxy posted:Someone will drop a game to Flash Wolves in a really dumb way and ruin their chances at getting out of this group hhahahaha
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Oct 15, 2017 02:06
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we can still get a 1-11 week with all three NA teams losing tiebreakers, believe
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Oct 15, 2017 02:19
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EDG somehow pulling a FNC solely to spite C9 would honestly be pretty funny.
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Oct 15, 2017 02:23
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g2 and tsm focusing so hard on best of threes and both teams having pretty bad records in game ones meant this could happen. i already posted about that bc im an expert paid analyst tho
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Lovechop posted:https://medium.com/@Oddoman/no-eu-team-will-get-out-of-groups-all-3-na-teams-will-f964ee0803e4 i think the reason sven looks like poo poo is he was always good at doing like solo invades and stealing camps and poo poo, and that play style really wouldnt work nowadays teams are for the most part too coordinated to just solo invade blind and steal camps on nidalee, else peanut would be the best jungler in the world. like the way skt use blank is proof purchase the old sven style wouldnt work HAVING SAID THAT, TSM still let him spend too much time like a dumb rear end in the enemy jungle while they have drafted multiple losing lanes, if not an entire team of losing lanes. on some level this is actually an intentional strategy, for instance TSM had massive control of enemy blue buff (and often traded it for poo poo that was worth a lot more than blue buff) so like this is a massive failure in a drafting sense and a coaching one. possibly even a team building one! if sven cant do poo poo but invade the enemy jungle then you either need to draft around accommodating that and incorporate it more into the gameplan or hit sven with hammers until he learns to play correctly, as is the korean style that is so popular in europe and has branched out to other regions such as korea
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Oct 15, 2017 04:06
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g2 are to worlds what h2k are to playoffs. liquid would be the team i would compare tsm to but they somehow got so bad the forever 4th joke seems like a distant dream.
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Radical posted:g2 are to worlds what h2k are to playoffs. liquid would be the team i would compare tsm to but they somehow got so bad the forever 4th joke seems like a distant dream.
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Radical posted:g2 are to worlds what h2k are to playoffs. liquid would be the team i would compare tsm to but they somehow got so bad the forever 4th joke seems like a distant dream. g2 would probably be fine if not for that pesky best of one group stage which nobody had any idea of predicting would get played in worlds again
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rabidsquid posted:g2 would probably be fine if not for that pesky best of one group stage which nobody had any idea of predicting would get played in worlds again That’s a really good point. TSM’s way forward has always been to adapt over the course of a series. Hell, SKT wouldn’t even be ar Worlds if it was based on best of ones. Fortunately for them they are good enough to manage againsr most of the non Korean teams in the world. But really, best of BO1 is loving garbage.
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Oct 15, 2017 04:27
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Yeah TSM can adapt during a series but can't adapt from week to week, that makes a lot of sense.
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TSM couldn't even adapt over 4 games
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Loosing a cheese game against GAM is one thing but losing to Misfits playing a legitimate draft just means you are the worst team. Hope that helps
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uh those are distinctly different things but okay
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RealFoxy posted:Loosing a cheese game against GAM is one thing but losing to Misfits playing a legitimate draft just means you are the worst team. Hope that helps g2 and tsm would have both been out of the playoffs if the regular season was seeded on the first game in the best of three, but were both first place in their region. hope this helps
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rabidsquid posted:g2 and tsm would have both been out of the playoffs if the regular season was seeded on the first game in the best of three, but were both first place in their region. hope this helps
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A best of 3 isn't going to help Sven playing passive jungle and Doublelift's bad positioning. Perkz actually looked like one of the best laners of the tournament but so has Uzi before and simultaneously failed to make it out of groups. TSM played too passive before 20 minutes in, and afterwards failed to capitalize on other teams mistakes, something that Longzhu and RNG definitely do so far. Give those teams an inch, and they'll take a mile. Give TSM an inch, and they'll cower backwards four more because Regi beat it into their heads to play safe and passive until any gold leads are borderline irrelevant. Bio and Hauntzer played pretty well all tournament and tried their best to make plays but Bjergsen never had the confidence to clap people, Doublelift had too much confidence, and Sven was just a ward. Honestly Sven and Bjergsen would be better players in a different Org or even back in Europe because mechanically they're fine to outstanding, but whoever decides TSM's macro has them cowering or playing out of their comfort zones. Also Doublelift is finally playing in a meta built specifically for hyper carries and for whatever reason just did stupid poo poo in half their games that lead to them not making it out. If you want to talk about G2, Trick and Mithy were over-rated and Zven and Expect were just on auto-pilot. Out of the players so far that didn't make it out of groups, Perkz, Bio, Levi, and Hauntzer were definitely playing much better than the rest of their teams.
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RealFoxy posted:
Yeah for sure. I'd add the adc on GAM to that list as well.
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Oct 15, 2017 04:58
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I just finished watching Death Wish 4 and have arranged a circle of knives around myself like the Joker in that scene from Suicide Squad time to root for NA in the League of Legends World Championship
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rabidsquid posted:g2 and tsm focusing so hard on best of threes and both teams having pretty bad records in game ones meant this could happen. i already posted about that bc im an expert paid analyst tho Not picking on this post specifically, since this has come up like 30 times during the worlds discussion; however, I don't get how teams like "get away" with this excuse. It doesn't hold any water for me. Who cares if it's Bo1/2/3/5? The problem most of the losing teams always have is 1) weak drafts 2) bad macro decisions 3) wild card mental mistakes. None of that like gets better or worse depending on how the match scheduling works. Most of the teams who make those mistakes make them match after match.
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Oct 15, 2017 05:15
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YO WESTDOOR LET'S GOOOOOOOO
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Oct 15, 2017 05:18
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LOL the blind pick Fizz against Faker holy poo poo
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Oct 15, 2017 05:18
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Didn't Westdoor gently caress Faker up last year with the random Fizz pick?
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RealFoxy posted:Didn't Westdoor gently caress Faker up last year with the random Fizz pick? two years ago
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RealFoxy posted:Didn't Westdoor gently caress Faker up last year with the random Fizz pick?
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Jensen start taking notes on how to clap faker
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