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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Gingerbread House Music posted:

If you can't undo one 1/2" bolt and spray out the carb with solvent, i don't really know what to tell you dude.

This is a picture of my very tolerant mom's garage that I cobbled together ~10 years ago when I lived at home.


We aren't discussing what CarForumPoster can personally do but rather the tradespace of problems whose solutions are currently dominated by gas powered engines giving excessive weight to maintainability.

I am king of the Tools thread. The biggest tool of all.

I also sold the mill, lathe and 200A AC/DC TIG + bottle, when I moved to California :smith:

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 14, 2017

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Buy your generators and stuff at Costco guys&gals. If it sucks, return it. Price is great but even if it isn't the cheapest they bend over backwards to make sure you're not hosed over. I returned a drat mattress 6 years after purchase, expecting at best a semi pro-rated return, and they gave me 100% my money back and apologized when they couldn't give me the 1% difference in tax between when I bought it and returned it. They've got my business on semi-major purchases for life when possible.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

WashinMyGoat posted:

Generac makes a couple different inverter generators that would be a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Honda but probably more reliable and serviceable than the HF.

http://www.generac.com/iq2000
They are actually apparently kinda a pain in the rear end to find parts for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPCW-Kr1ZGE

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
Just replaces all your electric poo poo with gas powered poo poo.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
Any people here in the non ferrous scrap or hvac business?
I've got a heap of air con condensers to chop the steel mount brackets off. A lot of the specialist copper/non ferrous scrap yards won't take them with any steel on it. Those that do will literally halve the price /kg just for 30sec use of their shears.
I have about 20 of them it's going to take a long time to hacksaw them. I tried a jigsaw but the blade just hits a lower tube and starts bouncing and bending. I need something with about 3" penetration but not such a long stroke that it will come up past the bottom layer and hit it on the way down.
I've never written anything with so much innuendo...

Question is are there recip saws/sabre saws/sawzalls that have a long blade and short stroke? It's only thin copper tubing it has to cut through.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Fo3 posted:

Any people here in the non ferrous scrap or hvac business?
I've got a heap of air con condensers to chop the steel mount brackets off. A lot of the specialist copper/non ferrous scrap yards won't take them with any steel on it. Those that do will literally halve the price /kg just for 30sec use of their shears.
I have about 20 of them it's going to take a long time to hacksaw them. I tried a jigsaw but the blade just hits a lower tube and starts bouncing and bending. I need something with about 3" penetration but not such a long stroke that it will come up past the bottom layer and hit it on the way down.
I've never written anything with so much innuendo...

Question is are there recip saws/sabre saws/sawzalls that have a long blade and short stroke? It's only thin copper tubing it has to cut through.

You hit the noodly on the doodly. Sawzall them. Just go to Home depot and look at what blades you can get. Last time I went they had basically the entire spectrum of blades in 4 different brands. I've cut a decent amount of high strength steel and cast aluminum with sawzall blades and have two pieces of advice: Speed matters. Blade quality matters. (I am partial to Milwaukee torch, easily last 2x harbor freight bimetal blades)

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
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:backtowork:
Anyone got any Stihl chainsaw experience? I have a MS180 (older style) and the embedded plastic clip that holds the choke selector bar thing has snapped. I guess I need to get the whole plastic airbox and switch housing? Tried epoxy but the plastic is like cheese and just snaps off again :/

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

DogonCrook posted:

If you just want a cheap one a pawn shop will have really cheap ones. Its kind of a gamble but you could probably buy 3 for the same amount of money.

Local pawn shop literally wants more money for a beat to poo poo used one than amazon wants for them new. I'm not even gonna waste my breath haggling.

angryrobots posted:

Can't go wrong with a Honda if quiet remote power is your goal...worth mentioning that the HF knockoff is generally considered to be a very good copy. They can even parallel with a Honda if so equipped.

I researched then a bit about a year ago...IIRC the same model that HF sells is also badge engineered as something else on Amazon for even cheaper.

angryrobots posted:

Apparently the HF 2000w inverter-generator (Honda copycat) price dropped today to $429. They've run coupons occasionally, and as often as last month, dropping it to $399.

Looks like both the badge engineered models (WEN and Yamaha) are now more expensive than the HF Predator.

WashinMyGoat posted:

Generac makes a couple different inverter generators that would be a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Honda but probably more reliable and serviceable than the HF.

http://www.generac.com/iq2000

This is all incredibly helpful. Thanks guys.
Good to know that the HF knockoff is legit because I was considering it. I was also looking at generac too but I've only ever dealt with their larger ones (think big fuckoff diesel whole building generators) .

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That 2100w Firman whisper unit I mentioned last page was on costco.ca a couple weeks ago for... I think $479 shipped in :canada: bux and it was a steal. I don't see anything really for generators on costco.com but seems to me they often have something instore. Might be worth a look?

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

Seminal Flu posted:

Good chart:



More detailed chart:

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mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
Generator chat (busy so I'll be brief)

Would buy Generac iQ2000 with my own money. Would not recommend a friend buy Wen. HF / Northern Tool house brand stuff tends to be fine but they save the money on making the suppliers hold QC so you take your chances a bit.

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005

Have you tested any of the Wen (non-inverter) portables in the 3-5kw range? Any issues other than ugly power quality that electronics won't like?

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
The Wen we had in was smaller than that range - basically it was made poorly, a few things were broken as delivered, it was jetted wrong, and didn't make rated power.

I mean basically everything in that power range is going to be made in China - just some don't seem to do their QC. The brands that show up in Costco actually tend to be fairly OK - Costco has some actual standards. Of the ones I've seen (I have not seen everything, we only do competitive benchmarking when someone in management sees something that trips their curiosity) Wen and Pulsar and a couple others are at a level where I don't think you're getting anything over Harbor Freight. Honda's sort of the perennial gold standard, Yamaha does well but doesn't really care about the portable equipment market enough to innovate as much as some others, Generac has some things that are really good and some that are just OK, Briggs is really focused on cost reduction and sometimes it bites them but holy hell do they have resources, Kohler does pretty good stuff but they don't care enough to be in all the market segments, and Champion and Firman are Chinese sourced but with decent QC and support. I mean I know there's others but I think that's most of the big ones.

Garage2Roadtrip
Oct 27, 2016
I didn't see WEN on that tree, and was also going to ask if anyone had insight into where they fall in the grand scheme of things.

I have been looking at multi-purpose sanders, and the WEN version of this:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/WEN-4-3-Amp-4-x-36-Inch-Belt-and-6-Inch-Disc-Sander-with-Cast-Iron-Base-6502/205527859?cm_mmc=socialmedia|FY117|%20FY17%20|%20DD%20|DPA%20|%20D59%20|%20D59%20|&k_clickid=9e194e85-76a0-49f1-a6db-84855429c098

Is the same as the Eastwood version:
http://www.eastwood.com/4-in-x-36-in-belt-w-6-in-disc-sander.html

Is the same as the Rikon:
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/...qkaAgWzEALw_wcB

Is the same as the Rockwell:
https://www.tylertool.com/rockwell-...H8aAm-EEALw_wcB

Based on that chart, the Rockwell brand is parented by Positec, which only lists Rockwell as an owned brand.
https://www.positecgroup.com/our_brands/rockwell

Are the others knockoffs, 3rd shifters, or what?

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
Don't know the specifics there but what happens a lot is that... well, everyone is in a push for cost reduction and it gets to where eventually you're going to a Chinese factory that makes some product and you say "hey, I'm trying to break into a lower price point, make me those that meet such and such QC standards with my sticker on the side" and then they say "OK, it'll cost $X per unit." And then eventually lower brands figure out what the supplier is (there's really not that many) and say "hey, I see you guys make those for that other guy, make me some with my sticker on the side," and then they say "OK, since you're not specifying as rigid of QC, we can partly bulk up your order with stuff that didn't meet that other guy's QC, so for you, $X-y".

Basically, that chart shows who owns who, but doesn't do anything to talk about subcontractors. For example, we have some of the newish Ryobi 2kw(ish, I forget exactly) inverters in for benchmarking. They use Ducar engines in them. It just so happens that Ducar is used in a lot of different brands - Pulsar is one. But Ryobi and Pulsar have no actual corporate affiliation whatsoever.

Garage2Roadtrip
Oct 27, 2016

mekilljoydammit posted:

Don't know the specifics there but what happens a lot is that... well, everyone is in a push for cost reduction and it gets to where eventually you're going to a Chinese factory that makes some product and you say "hey, I'm trying to break into a lower price point, make me those that meet such and such QC standards with my sticker on the side" and then they say "OK, it'll cost $X per unit." And then eventually lower brands figure out what the supplier is (there's really not that many) and say "hey, I see you guys make those for that other guy, make me some with my sticker on the side," and then they say "OK, since you're not specifying as rigid of QC, we can partly bulk up your order with stuff that didn't meet that other guy's QC, so for you, $X-y".

Basically, that chart shows who owns who, but doesn't do anything to talk about subcontractors. For example, we have some of the newish Ryobi 2kw(ish, I forget exactly) inverters in for benchmarking. They use Ducar engines in them. It just so happens that Ducar is used in a lot of different brands - Pulsar is one. But Ryobi and Pulsar have no actual corporate affiliation whatsoever.

Awesome overview. I should have assumed something like that was happening with the limited number of manufacturers (by and large). So I suppose if you buy one of the cheaper end of that spectrum, you're going to be rolling the dice on what level of QC the product has, and you'll probably find yourself in a less warranteed position (or a position with a black-hole warranty). This makes me think about some of the AvE reviews, and I wonder if there's any disparity in the case materials or motor parts, etc, between the different price points?

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull

Garage2Roadtrip posted:

Awesome overview. I should have assumed something like that was happening with the limited number of manufacturers (by and large). So I suppose if you buy one of the cheaper end of that spectrum, you're going to be rolling the dice on what level of QC the product has, and you'll probably find yourself in a less warranteed position (or a position with a black-hole warranty). This makes me think about some of the AvE reviews, and I wonder if there's any disparity in the case materials or motor parts, etc, between the different price points?

Definitely - some of the "better" brands made in China, part of what you're paying for is having a customer help line where people actually exist, speak English, and help. Differences in materials and stuff gets to be too much of specifics - I can't really speak to it outside of my industry and won't speak publicly about some of it, you know? ;)

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/
:backtowork:
Isn’t this where the store you bought it from is important. I know the Costco warranty is basically yeah here’s another! You n the uk we don’t get quite as good a run of the green though.

Gonna Send It
Jul 8, 2010
RE: Generator Chat

I've had to put a pull-start assembly into one of those Generacs before. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, but it stripped the plastic fan shroud at the thread insert when I went to remove the starter. I wish I would've taken pictures for a side by side comparison with a Honda because there isn't anyone that does a 2000w as well as they do. Hondas are also $100 off right now, so that brings them down to $899.

Gonna Send It
Jul 8, 2010

thegasman2000 posted:

Anyone got any Stihl chainsaw experience? I have a MS180 (older style) and the embedded plastic clip that holds the choke selector bar thing has snapped. I guess I need to get the whole plastic airbox and switch housing? Tried epoxy but the plastic is like cheese and just snaps off again :/

Isn't that clip part of the crankcase? I think you're out of luck. You could go to your Stihl dealer and see if they have any junk 180s lying around since they're not worth repairing to sell.

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/
:backtowork:

Katosabi posted:

Isn't that clip part of the crankcase? I think you're out of luck. You could go to your Stihl dealer and see if they have any junk 180s lying around since they're not worth repairing to sell.

Yeah I need to dig it out and take a look but I am thinking cutting the remnants off and 3D printing a mount and gluing it. I don’t have a local dealer to ask :/

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005

Katosabi posted:

RE: Generator Chat

I've had to put a pull-start assembly into one of those Generacs before. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, but it stripped the plastic fan shroud at the thread insert when I went to remove the starter. I wish I would've taken pictures for a side by side comparison with a Honda because there isn't anyone that does a 2000w as well as they do. Hondas are also $100 off right now, so that brings them down to $899.

Good to know. Even before that, it would take more than a $1-200 discount for me to go with anything over a Honda. Besides the earned reputation, they have a good dealer/service network. I looked at the Generac dealer finder, and it popped up a couple places that have some stuff in stock, but can they work on it? Get parts in 5 years? I live in basically BFE and there's a Honda Power Equipment in town.

That being said, when you get into less than half price like the HF knockoff, it gets my attention. Pretty sure at one point, one of the badge sticker engineered versions was $250 on Amazon. At that price difference, I'd have to be using it regularly and/or depending on it to justify the Honda.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

mekilljoydammit posted:

Definitely - some of the "better" brands made in China, part of what you're paying for is having a customer help line where people actually exist, speak English, and help.
Mm, there's a place locally that sells small lathes etc, and in effect the pricing is £X out the box, or £Y if you want them to strip it, rebuild it, and set it up properly. Little things like "not using the same brush to clean out grinding dust and then put the world's cheapest grease in", that sort of stuff.

Gonna Send It
Jul 8, 2010

angryrobots posted:

Good to know. Even before that, it would take more than a $1-200 discount for me to go with anything over a Honda. Besides the earned reputation, they have a good dealer/service network. I looked at the Generac dealer finder, and it popped up a couple places that have some stuff in stock, but can they work on it? Get parts in 5 years? I live in basically BFE and there's a Honda Power Equipment in town.

That being said, when you get into less than half price like the HF knockoff, it gets my attention. Pretty sure at one point, one of the badge sticker engineered versions was $250 on Amazon. At that price difference, I'd have to be using it regularly and/or depending on it to justify the Honda.

Exactly! I've entertained the HF generators as well because they're so cheap, even though I can get a Honda at cost. They're actually not that cheap cost-wise, I think they're one of the lowest margin Honda products we sell.

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat
Anyone want to talk me out of this Stanley socket set? Seems like a reasonable deal

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Stanley-Fatmax-1411-4-3-8-Drive-Socket-Set/399556?menuFrom=5041613

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


The blow molding on the stanley cases can sometimes be REALLY bad.


Also, gently caress black tools.

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat
yeah it looks a bit poo poo even in the promo shots. I have to go past the store anyway so I might see if they have one I can have a play with

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


slothrop posted:

yeah it looks a bit poo poo even in the promo shots. I have to go past the store anyway so I might see if they have one I can have a play with

If they do, close it up tight, shake it, and open it back up.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
Looks pretty good value, but yeah the blow molding looks pretty bad even in the photo. I don't mind black sockets but the ratchets look shithouse.
Also in my job I used to buy a stanley 1/4 set to keep in my toolbag. The stanley 1/4 ratchet only lasts 2 years before it keeps getting caught (like when undoing something it will lock up or switch to tighten and vice versa). They are poo poo ratchets but were in a very compact case and cheap so I just kept replacing them (and often lost sockets while in dark ceiling spaces anyway...)

Does anyone still in australia* sell the made in Taiwan crescent sets I keep pimping? There's some good ratchets in that.

*I got mine from dick smith of all places but they're gone now.

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 18, 2017

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
Double post but to answer my own question:
Toolmart sells crescent, but it's $152 because it comes with combo spanners. A bit too pricey for a 70 piece set. Mine was about that much from DSE, but was a 148 piece set with spanners, 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2" ratchets and sockets, deep sockets, pliers, screw drivers.

Anyway, the onsite reviews for the stanley set at supercheap seems good so check them out in person I guess. Maybe stanley's quality has improved since 7 years ago? Going by appearance however it seems they haven't.
Ask about whether the warranty is return to supercheap or you have to mail to stanley or something.

E: these are the stanley 1/4" sets I used to buy. https://www.bunnings.com.au/stanley-40-piece-1-4-drive-socket-set_p6123418
Like I said, not impressed with stanley ratchets at all. I've used them enough. I'm on my second yellow tin case, but also have two older sets that were red back in the day (I keep the cases for spare sockets and extra extensions)

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 18, 2017

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

You never lost a black socket deep into some dark crevice while wrenching and had to look for it for over an hour have you? gently caress black sockets.

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

slidebite posted:

You never lost a black socket deep into some dark crevice while wrenching and had to look for it for over an hour have you? gently caress black sockets.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tiny torx bits falling down below an E46 ECU cooling fan. I watched jerry-rigged skidplate bolts skitter down inside a dark Cherokee unibody rail, near the rear tires. All those things will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


I once dropped a 10mm socket down behind the battery, reached in blind, immediately felt a socket and pulled it out.....




....and it was a 3/8"s

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tiny torx bits falling down below an E46 ECU cooling fan. I watched jerry-rigged skidplate bolts skitter down inside a dark Cherokee unibody rail, near the rear tires. All those things will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
It's been a couple years since I've had to touch these on my Cherokee, but

gently caress

those

goddamn

bolts

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat
I went and gave what Stanley tools SCA had on display a good shake in the case. Seemed "OK". Tellingly the one I linked earlier was a "FATMAX" branded version. There were no "FATMAX" branded sockets in store. I also bought a cheap SCA branded hook and pick set because I needed one. Bad move. Worst quality I've ever seen. I'm sure they'll remove a couple of o rings and washers but yeah, garbage.

Catatron Prime
Aug 23, 2010

IT ME



Toilet Rascal
With those black sockets, are they impact rated? Because that's how I distinguish my stuff, and if you've got both kinds, it's kind of an important distinction.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I suspect you can get black impact rated sockets if you look hard enough. My impact sockets where un-chromed, they were easy to tell apart from my chromed "standard" sockets.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)
Yeah, that's why I can't complain about black sockets as I have a few black impact sockets. But I guess I can complain against non impact sockets that are black.

slothrop posted:

I went and gave what Stanley tools SCA had on display a good shake in the case. Seemed "OK". Tellingly the one I linked earlier was a "FATMAX" branded version. There were no "FATMAX" branded sockets in store. I also bought a cheap SCA branded hook and pick set because I needed one. Bad move. Worst quality I've ever seen. I'm sure they'll remove a couple of o rings and washers but yeah, garbage.

The only good supercheap branded tool I ever bought was a hex bit ratchet. I needed one because installers kept shoving air cons too close to walls so not even a stubby philips could undo lid or side screws, neither could a regular allen key access the service valves
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/SCA-Bit-Ratchet-Set-19-Piece/222418
Good set.

Fo3 fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 18, 2017

bolind
Jun 19, 2005



Pillbug
A soooper low profile 1/4" hex ratchet is a godsend. Wera makes a very nice one.

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HandlingByJebus
Jun 21, 2009

All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world, so there was only one thing I could do:
was ding a ding dang, my dang a long racecar.

It's a love affair. Mainly jebus, and my racecar.

Almost all of my impact sockets are black.

I lost a ratcheting combo wrench in between the sheet metal of the hatch lid of my Z4M while installing the wing. It’s still in there :cry:

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