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Roeben posted:And what use is a "super yacht"? Floating hospital. Drone mothership. Scout. Surprise bomb. Surprise pocket warship. Use your imagination, man!
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On a slightly more meta note, I'd like to point out that one of the Iranian Tomcats has SARH Phoenixes which might be an interesting combination of useful and challenging since it could theoretically get in a huge range shot but would have to hold lock the whole time. Unfortunately, it's the newest ones (2012). I have no idea what's going on there (maybe the original seekers expired due to age and they had to build something domestic to replace them?) but it's a shame that one is way too new for our plane printing buddies.
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Oct 18, 2017 13:18
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Gripens and Invisboat I'd like to get dropbear back into a plane sooner rather than later but riding 3d printed crap will do that just as well.
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Oct 18, 2017 13:25
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Mirages & Invisibote This is the coolest boat that doesn't have guns. So cool.
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David Corbett posted:You know, I was hoping the latest triumph of the boat/bote/boʊt/ship lobby on us actually picking up a useful floating asset would at least have made them happy. Nope, recriminations forever! It's people who hate the idea of owning something that floats that are being acrimonious my man. Bote lobby is ecstatic.
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paragon1 posted:It's people who hate the idea of owning something that floats that are being acrimonious my man. Bote lobby is ecstatic. Clearly, what we need then is the love bote
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Oct 18, 2017 14:31
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3dprinted Flankers seems like a great idea if we end up going with the Gripens, to get our hi-mid mix back on and save on Meteors and also because its a pretty plane.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:33
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As long as I can get a 3D-printed B-52 slinging cruise missiles and erasing grid squares, I'm happy.
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To everyone worried about Gripen ammo issues, couple of things. One, some goons have reached out to the devs about getting the Rb 99 (AMRAAM B) fitted to the NG's loadout. And they've been in touch with Saab (no really) to try and get top of the Gripen can carry this. So there's at least some chance we'll have a lower-cost backup coming in a future update. Two, we can 3D print up a decent backup fighter to supplement the Gripens. 1980s Flankers with Alamos look quite promising, based on Quintann's tests. We should have enough Meteors to cover our initial operations until we can get some extra planes printed up. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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I agree with your second point, but the first one is a really dangerous assumption to make. Relying on the devs of the game to change something for our planes to be useful is really.... let's say suboptimal. We have no idea when or even if that will get implemented, so let's not plan our purchases around it. Totally agreed on printing some Flankers to plug the hole, though.
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Yeah, we have no idea when that update will be released, it could be tomorrow or 2018. That is one hell of a gamble. I knew you were going to angle for the printaplane stuff to save us from financial ruin, but we can’t buy any new toolings yet so unless you want BISONS (I am totally ok with this for the record) we are going to have to wait a few cycles for those to show up. And they may randomly fall out of the sky which seems like a negative trait for a force which we are hinging our operations on. PS team boat I am totally okay with the boat, don’t mistake my distaste for the Gripens for that.
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Yooper posted:
This is Chuck with the Alabama National Guard. Lemme tell you somethin'. You motherf*****s are going to pay--do you hear me, boy?! Hired Goons is DONE! The Alabama National Guard is gunna show you the Sweet Home with a boot straight up your f***in' mercenary a**es! You know how much these Bradleys cost?! Listen, you ain't gonna SLEEP without wonderin' if Chuck's gonna come in the middle o' the night and shove GRITS in your f***in' a**! Ain't no one humiliates a Southerner like that, you got that?! If it's the last goddamn thing I do, I'll see the Hired Guns [sic] as a smoulderin' wreck, so help me Dixie. ...I refuse to dignify this man by typing up his swears in full.
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Oct 18, 2017 15:42
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I see a lot of planning and conversation on Discord talking about the theaters and what planes the different countries have. Don't assume what you see as a countries Air Force is actually what it is in this timeline. That is Serbia's air force. Which is not sufficient given the desire for carnage you guys have. Which means we need to bring in lots of hungry-hungry mercenaries. Add to that the roster of the Seattle Supersonics and suddenly we've got a challenge. (And lots of targets) This also prevents us from tailoring our air force for a particular theater. We best be flexible because who knows what we might see.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:43
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HereticMIND posted:We had the opportunity to get a bote for free. You and the rest of the bote lobby didn't take it. The opportunity slipped us by when the free bote sank. We lost out on getting a free bote because of your ineptitude and sheer hypocrisy. Yooper posted:Voting will continue a bit longer, but I think we've reached a sufficient majority that I won't have to re-poll. Right now it's assured we'll be using something from K&P. At the moment it's up between Gripens and Mirages. If it's close enough I might re-poll the BFLM and Ivanov folks for plane choice. But if it's not close I'll just call it.
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In honor of Grey Hunter, the one and only crocotopus and our future boat captain, the Discord goons would like to give the invisiboat with a suitable name: Tokyo Bay Fortress.
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Proposal: Gëwns Research and Orbital Ok so now that the Bote lobby finally got their way, I say we do the unthinkable and don't put our company logo on it. Instead we make a new company. A company whose ownership we'll do our damndest to try to keep hidden from everyone else. But first, some context.  Our shiny new Clothes iron looking dhingy isn't really a ship made for active military situations. It is made to sit and listen very steadily and quietly (which is why its shaped like that) for just about anything you can imagine and interpret it. Be it sound or EM spectrum, from submarines, surface vessels, Aircraft and satellites. What we are about to buy is not a tactical tool that suits our usual style of operations, but rather a highly sophisticated strategic intel gathering tool that the Norwegians built and the US paid for. As such it has some *amazing* ears on it, and a host of experts onboard to sift through it all. As such, it might be best to not publicly acknowledge that we own it as these things are difficult to defend. The classic method here is to create a shell company and use it as a "research vessel". This is a well tried method used extensively by both NATO and the Russians wherein they just so happen to have a few discreete ships hanging around every major exercise you can imagne minding their own business with no way of knowing what they are actually doing, because listening is a passive action. If its good enough for major powers, it's good enough for us. Therefore I propose that we establish a new company for the Goons. One Aimed towards research! towards the betterment of mankind! To take us places we've never dreamed! TO SPACE! I propose we establish Gëwns Research and Orbital "because the CIA are tightwads who don't work for us" (this will be the secret company motto). orcbuster fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Oct 18, 2017 17:52
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Bacarruda posted:
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Astroclassicist posted:
It's not quite as bad as it sounds. Someone just sent a tweet with @Saab on it. Nobody's going to get arrested for calling the head of the Swedish Air Force about capabilities. Edit: What would making the shell company do mechanically? Make the Marjata allied but not controllable by us? Make it neutral? Leave its fate up to a die roll?
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I would say that I feel like I don't really think we will get very far with the shell company thing. Considering the Tokyo Bay Fortress (née Marjeta) is literally a one-of-a-kind ship, so it's going to be a nightmare hiding its connection to us.
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Plausible deniability. There’s not really any reason not to so I’m all for it.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I would say that I feel like I don't really think we will get very far with the shell company thing. Considering the Tokyo Bay Fortress (née Marjeta) is literally a one-of-a-kind ship, so it's going to be a nightmare hiding its connection to us. Thats the beauty of this method. Everyone knows what the purpose of these ships are. Russians know it drat well and we know about theirs etc but because of its *civilian* nature there is very little that they can legally do to stop it, because a civilian ship sitting still listening in international waters while being unarmed is not illegal and sinking or boarding it would be seen as a major breach of international law. Thus if our opponents don't know its ours its great, but if they do it's simply infuriating for them and they still can't do anything legal about it unless they present explicit evidence, which again is very hard to do with what is essentially a passive sensor. orcbuster fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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orcbuster posted:Thats the beauty of this method. Everyone knows what the purpose of these ships are. Russians know it drat well and we know about theirs etc but because of its *civilian* nature there is very little that they can legally do to stop it, because a civilian ship sitting still listening in international waters while being unarmed is not illegal and sinking or boarding it would be seen as a major breach of international law. But unless we're defending it, there's literally nothing stopping them from hiring some patsies willing to do Dirty Deeds Dirt Cheap and kill it.
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Yvonmukluk posted:But unless we're defending it, there's literally nothing stopping them from hiring some patsies willing to do Dirty Deeds Dirt Cheap and kill it. Attacking civilian research vessels not directly participating in a conflict in international waters isn't something we've seen any PMC do yet. If they want the ship dead there isn't much we can do to stop it anyway, but like this we make it as nasty as possible for them if they decide to do so. Again, this thing does not have much to offer us by operating in regular ops anyway. orcbuster fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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We’ve seen PMCs wage their own private war on US soil. We’ve seen the first nuke used in anger since ‘45. We’ve seen Reddit start a rebellion in Angola. This world doesn’t care about norms anymore.
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I'm sure Snake Plissken's outfit can properly defend the bote. Well if they finish the Thunderdome that is.
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I mean, we ourselves have skirted very close to that line, what with sinking freighters for insurance fraud or buzzing passenger jets. I don't think anyone will hesitate to kill the HG ship. That said, it's probably possible to stick it under our airbase protection SAM units if we really had to.
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I love the idea that we branch into shell companies. That's some good in-character poo poo and an opportunity for some hilarious corporate satire. There should be a whole enterprise surrounding GH and his bote. Theme it as a simulation provider or after-incident analysis services for UK naval disaster events. In the game mechanics besides in-character shell stuff, I am sure we'll want to be smart and disciplined. Or at least our version of that.
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Quinntan posted:We’ve seen PMCs wage their own private war on US soil. We’ve seen the first nuke used in anger since ‘45. We’ve seen Reddit start a rebellion in Angola. This world doesn’t care about norms anymore. Actually, leaving civilian boats and planes alone have been a bit of a big deal in our ops. Point here is to make it as big of a pain in the rear end as possible for our opponent in more ways than just its capacity as an intel ship. If they decide to strike it we can still defend it under that pretext. But leaving it under a sam umbrella in our harbor stationary won't do us much good.
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orcbuster posted:Actually, leaving civilian boats and planes alone have been a bit of a big deal in our ops. Point here is to make it as big of a pain in the rear end as possible for our opponent in more ways than just its capacity as an intel ship. If they decide to strike it we can still defend it under that pretext. But leaving it under a sam umbrella in our harbor stationary won't do us much good. As pointed out we really don’t do that. Every theatre we have hosed with at least ostensibly civilian facilities at least once.
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We lose nothing by doing the Shell Company thing. Plus it amuses me greatly, which is a far more important factor in my decision to back it.
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proposal: do botes properly Protect the bote with more botes. Dutch to start, then lets buy em out and use em to start bote fleet. Let me ask you goons a question. If we were asked to bomb the poo poo out of the marjata under a "neutral" flag, would you? Because I sure as gently caress would, its not going to be after sea bass or cod, its obviously going to be working for someone that isn't us, giving them a sweet advantage. Besides, we have hosed off the chinese and the russians and sure as gently caress one of them is gonna put 2 and 2 together and sink our bote in revenge. We get the bote we protect the bote.
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DesperateDan posted:proposal: do botes properly This sounds like something we should keep in mind. Do we still have the Doorman's. Also I must insist that
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DesperateDan posted:proposal: do botes properly Or we can just stick with our Finnish theme and save up to 3D print some Helsinki-class missile boats, the versions with RBS-15s and depth charges are in the allowable window. We would still be vulnerable from the air, but it would at least be a start.
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Im sure between all of hired goons we can come up with a decent story of how this national asset level ELINT bote is catagorizing galactic radiation levels or something.
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But sir, we are merely a humble paparazzi vessel, innocently listening in on all the celebrity sexts in Europe simultaneously
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What's a group/organization people won't like in 2023? Let's just say were using the bote to make sure they don't do anything bad.
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