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bit-tech.net posted a Q&A with Andrew Wu, product manager for ROG motherboards at Asusbit-tech.net posted:bit-tech: Can you go into more technical detail about why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards? high-core count processors on Z370? I doubt he's talking about hexacore.  http://www.bit-tech.net/features/tech/motherboards/asus-interview-andrew-wu-rog-motherboard-pm/1/
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Don Lapre posted:Some peoples preorders got cancelled I saw that. Wonder if it was a payment issue or something. Mine's still saying 15-20 days, and the card I used definitely has enough available, so hopefully they're just still processing them. I suppose it's possible their shipment was split up, so they got enough total for backorders + bundles, but not all of them are actually there yet. Bleah. Just annoyed because I have a computer 90% built, just have to get the CPU in, cooler on top of it, and a spare drive from my current computer transferred over.
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eames posted:bit-tech.net posted a Q&A with Andrew Wu, product manager for ROG motherboards at Asus I saw that too. I'd have thought Intel would make you buy a Z390 for 8-core support, but I guess going from 4 to 8 cores is a legit enough reason for a chipset/board upgrade. That's gonna pull a shitload of power. Still would have been nice if they'd let 6-cores work on Z270 though. Or even the new 8350K, since that's just a 7600K in disguise...
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TVs Ian posted:I saw that. Wonder if it was a payment issue or something. Mine's still saying 15-20 days, and the card I used definitely has enough available, so hopefully they're just still processing them. Well my 8700k combo shipped and i have tracking for both my board and cpu so bye bye amazon.
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betamax hipster posted:Based on what? Idle and slightly informed conjecture. An overclocked hyperthreaded quad will likely fare better than a locked chip (or an i5-K). BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Don Lapre posted:Well my 8700k combo shipped and i have tracking for both my board and cpu so bye bye amazon. Mine is still stuck on packaging and I backordered on release day. drat
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I'm strongly considering ordering an 8600K rather than an 8700K. Since I'll only be using it for gaming, is this a more viable value-conscious choice?
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Struensee posted:I'm strongly considering ordering an 8600K rather than an 8700K. Since I'll only be using it for gaming, is this a more viable value-conscious choice? DigitalFoundry is doing God's work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwUEVEbZxI4
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I wish they'd put more stuff into text form. There's virtually no way I'm going to watch a video, but I'd read text all day.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:43
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7940X is back in stock at Newegg in case you were thinking of ordering a few.
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craig588 posted:I wish they'd put more stuff into text form. There's virtually no way I'm going to watch a video, but I'd read text all day. I hate how every review and how to guide is a video that I have to continually skip around back and forth in. In 2017 it's easier for the average person to get a 4k video up than it is a page of text and pictures.
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WhyteRyce posted:I hate how every review and how to guide is a video that I have to continually skip around back and forth in. In 2017 it's easier for the average person to get a 4k video up than it is a page of text and pictures. Yeah I also hate this. I'd take anything with a text guide. Even a pastebin for gently caress's sake.
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craig588 posted:I wish they'd put more stuff into text form. There's virtually no way I'm going to watch a video, but I'd read text all day. afaik DF does text reviews for hardware as well. df's approach works pretty well with video imo, unlike poo poo like linus where it seems like there's an active attempt to make the video as uninformative as possible
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They do articles too: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-coffee-lake-s-core-i5-8400-i5-8600k-review
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Looks like my 8700k backorder on newegg is shipping 
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Rabid Snake posted:Yup, I ordered mine 5 minutes after backorders went up and just got my confirmation email. Now to debate on canceling my Amazon preorder right now or wait until I get the shipping number from NewEgg. Do they have any sort of date on your Amazon order? Also do you pay tax for Amazon?
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VulgarandStupid posted:Do they have any sort of date on your Amazon order? Also do you pay tax for Amazon? I was stuck in limbo with no ETA. I already canceled it though since I got my tracking number today from NewEgg.
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Amazon has no idea. Some orders said Nov 16th
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Amazon.ca still doesn’t have an 8700k listing at all 
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Yeah, this is mine still. Motherboard and ram just sittin here lookin dumb.  
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ASUS: "We could've made Coffee Lake work on Z270, but ~for some reason~ Intel's decided to lock us out from doing that with proprietary ME coding, so yeah, their 'power delivery' excuse might be horseshit." https://www.techpowerup.com/237957/asus-confirms-z270-platform-could-be-compatible-with-intel-coffee-lake-cpus The article does imply that the eight-core chip might work on Z370, though - and *not* require Z390.
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It's not necessarily horse poo poo. High end mobos from ASUS might not see a benefit from the extra pins but that doesn't mean all mobos are in that boat
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WhyteRyce posted:It's not necessarily horse poo poo. High end mobos from ASUS might not see a benefit from the extra pins but that doesn't mean all mobos are in that boat Seeing how horrible the Z370 launch has been for ASUS I don't think this is the case. I was going with ASUS but saw so much BS this launch that I went with ASRock. Nothing to do with PC computers but how do tax payers of Sacramento feel about the Kings arena now? Y'all got hosed with that. Hope you enjoy the arena since you used Seattle to abuse the taxpayers to pay for it. http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/foon-rhee/article179124311.html yall got hosed and you were so happy years ago about getting the Kings back. God drat, where are you at now especially with boogie quiting on you? You talked a lot when I said it was more viable for Seattle to hold a team tax payers wise. I'm excited to hear from you from all the poo poo you talked years ago about me being a piece of poo poo for wanting private funded arenas in Seattle since it took your Kings away. Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Yeah no I’m going to fight back against this thread turning into a discussion of taxpayer subsidies for sports stadiums. I’m a little surprised an Asus employee would, in an official capacity, call an Intel decision ‘horseshit’. Honestly with the MCE switch poo poo and how even my old Z77 board enabled some OC features when I tried to turn on 1600 RAM setting my computer up years ago, I think I’m done with Asus on principle for a couple years. Not forever, but I hope my next board will be an MSI, and I might even be willing to give Gigabyte a second chance after having a bad Haswell board in an HTPC. With the exception of a reference Intel board that I used for years and years (yes, Intel sold motherboards!) I have been using Asus on my personal machine since the days of the P5A twenty years ago. They just seem kind of screwy right now. They make nice routers and laptops and whatnot, but mobos seem like a mess. Maybe they’ve reached that Samsung level of being in so many businesses that some of them are run poorly.
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The ASUS employee didn't call anything horseshit. That was me editorializing by proxy. Christ, it's like every thread requires the ~asterisk treatment~. The language ASUS used is about the closest they can to *saying* Intel's excuse is horseshit, but they kind of like being able to make motherboards for Intel CPUs.
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It's okay. I had that Asus rant building up in me the past couple of days, or even since Jay's "oh wait MCE exists well huh" video, and needed that valve to spit it out.
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Hey my 8700k comes today. I kind of feel bad for all the newegg people who ordered on the 5th and newegg sent me their cpu instead.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The ASUS employee didn't call anything horseshit. That was me editorializing by proxy. Christ, it's like every thread requires the ~asterisk treatment~. The language ASUS used is about the closest they can to *saying* Intel's excuse is horseshit, but they kind of like being able to make motherboards for Intel CPUs. I haven't followed this at all and haven't gone over any of the data sheets referenced so I'm going to rely entirely 100% on something a reddit user posted (oh god this is going to probably end up biting me) quote:Yes it does Mr Andrew. There is a limit to how much current one can push over the pins, traces, and ultimately the various power rails on-die. The i7-8700K (95 W TDP) has a maximum rating of 138 A. Previously, in Kaby Lake the i7-7700K (91 W TDP) had a maximum rating of 100 A. You're talking about 38 amperes increase over the previous part - 40% more load!!!! (this is right off the datasheets btw, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to find that the max power ratings have really gone up.) It's entirely possible for previous chips to sustain that amount of current, but you're working out of specs. While it's definitly true that some of the high-end motherboards have buffy VRMs that would have no problem with the new amount of load (as they were designed for overclockers anyway), coffee lake itself added 14 ground terminals and 18 power terminals to cope with it. Ya know why? because it was not possible to guarantee (read: under any condition) operability using the previous scheme. Rabid Snake posted:Seeing how horrible the Z370 launch has been for ASUS I don't think this is the case. I was going with ASUS but saw so much BS this launch that I went with ASRock.  were you so eager to post some kind of sick burn on Sacramento that you grab the first good sounding article you could, not realizing it was just an editorial about how the city isn't using their 9 civic event days that they can use the arena for free of charge?But Sacramento is doing great, thanks. Opening night last night was great. Hanging out in Downtown and drinking before the game was great. Taking the lightrail home was great. I'm happy, thanks for checking in. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Realtalk, if i was Intel, I would lock it down too. Not because I gave a poo poo about people buying new motherboards (the MSRP on Z370 seems basically the same as Z270, so I imagine tray prices are the same from intel), but because I wouldn't want a situation where SOME Z270 boards support Coffee Lake and SOME Z370 boards support Skylake/Kaby Lake all based on board maker hacks, cause you know dipshits are gonna put the CPUs in without checking the compatibility guide or flashing the BIOS, and you know some of the lovely China only board makers will half rear end the pin compatibility to be "good enough"... and now the internet is full of idiots kicking and screaming all over the world about how Intel is frying their CPUs. Reliability is Intel's like primary trait, and has been for decades. No way I would jeopardize that so the tiny portion of the market that actually upgrades CPUs in situ can save some money on a new motherboard. If like half the market was doing it, sure! But for like the sub 1% that upgrade CPUs without changing motherboards? Not worth it, and not worth spending money on other workarounds either.
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It seems really dumb to invest in Skylake-X at all, but Newegg is currently running a deal for the i7-7800X + MSI X299 for $469 which seems pretty decent. I mostly use my desktop for photo editing, not gaming, so the extra PCIE lanes and memory channels are attractive, but it kind of sucks that if I play any games on it performance will likely lag behind a consumer i5. Still, at this price maybe it's worth jumping on? [edit] Welp, maybe not... 
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If you need 10 or less cores it's really hard to argue for Skylake-X when you can get whole used Broadwell-E systems for less.
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Delid tool such a waste. Just chose 5ghz "cpu upgrade" in the gigabyte bios and im prime 95 all 6 cores at 5ghz 68c. Ohh well, maybe ill still do it. (8700k btw) edit: ohh lame, starting to get into the 80's. Still stable! ill have to mess with voltage. Still impressed lol Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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The gamersnexus guy with the hair said delidding is unnecessary unless you raise voltage above stock. He seems pretty trustworthy.
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Yea I think I should be fine in real world use.
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The gigabyte auto OC thing is probably volting the hell out of it, but those temps are pretty dang good so might not matter.
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1.38-1.404 on latest prime95. Didn't even do auto oc. They just have present bios profiles and I picked one to see if it would work.
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That's really a lot, all the auto wizards seem to subscribe to AMD Radeon's school of getting things done  I have no idea what the MSI settings do, but if it's like Asus they probably burn ~50% more power for an unnoticeable single digit increase in performance. Either disable everything except the memory OC, or see how high you can get stable manually with 1.25 or 1.3V tops
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