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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It does hurt me whenever Bernie invokes the Scandinavian countries. why
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Oct 19, 2017 04:53
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Because they're still capitalist, and IMPERIALISM IS THE HIGHEST STAGE OF CAPITALISM
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Oct 19, 2017 04:58
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probably because bernie should be referencing real places, not fantasy worlds like sweden or the shire
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Oct 19, 2017 04:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Because they're still capitalist, and IMPERIALISM IS THE HIGHEST STAGE OF CAPITALISM i dont think the scandinavian nations are doing too much imperialism these days
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Oct 19, 2017 05:01
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Vox Nihili posted:i dont think the scandinavian nations are doing too much imperialism these days they're still capitalists tho
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Oct 19, 2017 05:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It does hurt me whenever Bernie invokes the Scandinavian countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8X3LJwlByI&t=550s Boom, Denmarkian telling Cruz he's a liar.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:02
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Vox Nihili posted:i dont think the scandinavian nations are doing too much imperialism these days For capitalism to function at a high standard of living, to maintain a labor aristocracy - if you will -, requires the continued exploitation of the developing world by the developed world. If not through outright political colonialism and dominance, then through the dominance of financial instruments and capital exploitation.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:03
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https://twitter.com/vavreck/status/920842105836015616
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Oct 19, 2017 05:03
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they benefit in a very direct way from exploitation of the global south IMHO
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Oct 19, 2017 05:04
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sweden is the 3rd largest arms exporter on the planet, they aint clean
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Oct 19, 2017 05:04
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ThndrShk2k posted:Buddy, Check this out: I have not rejected Bernie from my heart, but he hurt me still.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:05
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Agean90 posted:sweden is the 3rd largest arms exporter on the planet, they aint clean No they aren't. They aren't even in the top 10. Did you just make that up?
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Oct 19, 2017 05:06
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i can't even be mad anymore
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Oct 19, 2017 05:07
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Vox Nihili posted:No they aren't. They aren't even in the top 10. Did you just make that up? yeah the swedish steel modifier expired in 1936
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Oct 19, 2017 05:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:For capitalism to function at a high standard of living, to maintain a labor aristocracy - if you will -, requires the continued exploitation of the developing world by the developed world. If not through outright political colonialism and dominance, then through the dominance of financial instruments and capital exploitation. One could easily supply a high standard of living with a multitude of proper woodworking techniques given the wood (trees) to work with, and proper knowledge of flora/fauna and agriculture/hunting. One with improper knowledge in similar scenarios would have lower quality of living for the same value potential. If properly supplied and implemented a high standard of living can be less detrimental than whatever garbage system we're using right now to maintain the current illusions. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 17:28 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 05:08
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Vox Nihili posted:No they aren't. They aren't even in the top 10. Did you just make that up? forgot to add in "per capita" https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-05-23/peace-loving-sweden-and-switzerland-are-among-top-arms-exporters-capita-world
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Oct 19, 2017 05:08
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why would arms exporting be something compared per capita
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Oct 19, 2017 05:10
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I have not rejected Bernie from my heart, but he hurt me still. Which is why he's the compromise candidate for many.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:10
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norway maintains its high standard of living off mineral wealth (unlike the us where we use mineral wealth to let zillionaires buy more yachts) nancy pelosi retire bitch
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Oct 19, 2017 05:11
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Agean90 posted:forgot to add in "per capita" That's because there are like three Swedes and five years back one of them sold a guy a hunting rifle or something. It's a peaceful and peace-loving country by almost any other measure. Frankly, I challenge you to pick a superior nation to aspire toward (outside of Scandinavia, I mean).
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Oct 19, 2017 05:13
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ThndrShk2k posted:The crux of this is to define what high standard of living may be and it's supplied. Not today, Satan.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:14
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I'm all for Gay Sex Communism, but if we can get MfA and $15 by 2020, then sign me the gently caress up. Bernie Porn 2020
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Oct 19, 2017 05:16
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not today, Satan.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:16
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Raskolnikov38 posted:why would arms exporting be something compared per capita Dunno, it makes sense. If one dude sells a thousand guns you're like "wow that dude sells a lot of guns". If a million people sell two thousand guns it's not that much.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:17
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primary every bad dem
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Oct 19, 2017 05:18
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Shear Modulus posted:nancy pelosi retire bitch
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Oct 19, 2017 05:21
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I won't lie it would be nice to have a little loving *decorum* about dismantling the government.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:22
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Shear Modulus posted:nancy pelosi retire lizard monster
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Oct 19, 2017 05:23
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Shear Modulus posted:norway maintains its high standard of living off mineral wealth (unlike the us where we use mineral wealth to let zillionaires buy more yachts) shes 100% untouchable and its maddening fun fact: over the course of her career, shes skittered from more competitive districts to the safest one of all, where she now sits and lords over her enormous pile of donor lucre & non-illegal insider trading proceeds hard to hit her from the left even because all the poor people in sf have either fled or been turned into food. it's a town by and for the rich now
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Oct 19, 2017 05:25
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Shear Modulus posted:norway maintains its high standard of living off mineral wealth (unlike the us where we use mineral wealth to let zillionaires buy more yachts) hurr but she's good at whipping votes and fund raising; therefore,
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Oct 19, 2017 05:26
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nancy pelosi is one of those dems who could never win a competitive race under any circumstances (like Hillo), but fortunately for her the party is built to serve her needs and makes sure that she will never have to face such any real opposition
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Oct 19, 2017 05:27
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Agean90 posted:forgot to add in "per capita" three tanks for every swede
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Oct 19, 2017 05:28
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If it genuinely frustrates you pener, then you probably need more perspective: like 99% of the US population doesn't believe in communism, and socialism = welfare state as far as they're concerned, because that's what decades of conservative messaging has told people. That this has only backfired on right wingers, by making people more interested in socialism (not scaring people off of the welfare state like conservatives wanted), is something that is Good, not something to be frustrated by. Chill out.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:32
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rudatron posted:If it genuinely frustrates you pener, then you probably need more perspective: like 99% of the US population doesn't believe in communism, and socialism = welfare state as far as they're concerned, because that's what decades of conservative messaging has told people. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Wow, can't I make a nationally televised debate about me for once?
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Oct 19, 2017 05:39
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ThndrShk2k posted:The crux of this is to define what high standard of living may be and it's supplied. I'm personally stocking up on RPG books and boardgames so that I can continue entertaining myself even without electricity.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:51
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hardliners are real loving weird, and I say this as a socialist convert
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rudatron posted:If it genuinely frustrates you pener, then you probably need more perspective: like 99% of the US population doesn't believe in communism, and socialism = welfare state as far as they're concerned, because that's what decades of conservative messaging has told people. Socialism would have much more appeal to the average American if most people understood it as "workers democratically governing their workplaces", rather than just "government welfare programs". One of the best ways to appeal to the average person is to frame socialism as an extension of democracy into all of the various parts of their everyday lives that they have no control over.
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Calibanibal posted:probably because bernie should be referencing real places, not fantasy worlds like sweden or the shire idk why but this made me giggle
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logikv9 posted:three tanks for every swede One to carry groceries and take the kids to school, one for the breadwinner to take to work, and a convertible one for the weekend.
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