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BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

ready player one is an entire book of ONLY 80s/90s KIDS WILL REMEMBER THIS

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Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The Australian education system is hosed. Typically you'd have regional unis and tafes but now because of the free market every corner has a billboard for George's College of Educational Excellence founded in 2014! Or Jenny's Online university, learn nothing - today!

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again


Who the gently caress are you????

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

BBJoey posted:

ready player one is an entire book of ONLY 80s/90s KIDS WILL REMEMBER THIS

“Standing on the left side of the runway was my battle-worn X-wing fighter. Parked on the right side was my DeLorean. Sitting on the runway itself was my most frequently used spacecraft, the Vonnegut. Max had already powered up the engines, and they emitted a low, steady roar that filled the hangar. The Vonnegut was a heavily modified Firefly-class transport vessel, modeled after the Serenity in the classic Firefly TV series. The ship had been named the Kaylee when I’d first obtained it, but I’d immediately rechristened it after one of my favorite twentieth-century novelists. Its new name was stenciled on the side of its battered gray hull. I’d looted the Vonnegut from a cadre of Oviraptor clansmen who had foolishly attempted to hijack my X-wing while I was cruising through a large group of worlds in Sector Eleven known as the Whedonverse."

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
When you google coalition of chaos it just talks about Theresa May.

Smegmatron
Apr 23, 2003

I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

Intoluene posted:

I've always been of the opinion that at least one course for the hsc should be literature based and rely on evidence based arguments. History of both modern and ancient styles fits there but I'm not sure what else. I never did that well at English but I was in band 5 for Modern History.

In NSW, that's standard and advanced English, which is what the mango thing is from. At least, that's what they're meant to be. They aren't because the people who teach it do everything they can to turn it into essay-by-numbers for a variety of reasons, mainly to do with them being poo poo, geriatric teachers trying to minimise the work they have to do by recycling decades-old material. If you don't get one of them, you usually get someone who mentally plateued at age 19 and thinks they'll save the world by teaching kids how to write a five paragraph essay.

The most paint-by-numbers part of those courses has been removed as of next year in favour of more analysis, though.


Zenithe posted:

Why do you think it was a bad choice?

It's too simple for the top students and impenetrable for the average and below-average students. There's also a lot of cultural assumptions in the questions, but the committee that makes them is almost entirely rich, white, and over 50, so what can you do. One of them was my teacher teacher at uni and made it really clear that she had no time for any kid that didn't have their eyes on a PhD in English lit glorifying the eternal god emperor of all linguistic acheivement his royal holy majesty Sir William J Shakespeare Esq. We disagreed.

Full disclosure: I'm an English teacher with a specialisation in ESL, so I'm biased because I spend most of my time working with non-Australian kids or Australian kids from non-English speaking families and I can't go half a day without an adult giving me the total shits with the way they treat them.


Milky Moor posted:

Trust me, I do not take offence. Sometimes I wonder what it is like to be able to, yeah, look at a poem and go 'Hey, it's just about mangoes'. But I also think one of the worst ways to approach the text as surface-level semi-autobiographical which is the way a lot of classrooms frame texts. That, in and of itself, is just as much of an assumption of a text as it is saying it's about sensuality. And, unlike the latter assumption, it isn't even one you can argue against.

HS English typically kills any love for literary reading that students might have. This is typically because teachers teach it like 'The novel Whatever is about Social Issue.' And while it might be, it's not the only thing a student might take from it. If a student doesn't think it is about Social Issue but is instead about Other Issue, or maybe they think it's got nothing to do with Social Issue and that's a poor interpretation, they'll typically lose marks.

The history classroom sometimes does better at that sort of thing than English does. In History, it's not uncommon to ask a question like 'What were the three main causes of the Russian Revolution?' and the students have to argue what their particular take on the three main causes is. If it were an English classroom, it'd presuppose some as the main causes and ask students to find and argue evidence for it. Particularly good questions in the humanities end in Why/Why not? to give students a way to at least argue for or against.

I think when you talk about English it's really important to specifiy which English. In NSW years 7-10 are a blast because the teachers can use pretty much any text they like and the course outcomes are general enough to let a teacher set something up that's really tailored to their class. NSW 11-12 English is a loving black hole of memorising as much as you can about the texts you're being force fed because they're the ones your teacher has been doing since they were added to the list and they don't want to do any work at all.

The vast majority of stage 6 classes are taught as "find a theme, find a technique, talk about how the technique makes the theme happen, and do it five more times." It's loving painful and super loving boring, but it also gets band sixes for the good kids, and at least a band four for your average kids. I could write you an essay answering next year's HSC paper 2 question right now and the only thing you'd have to change is the text type. If it's a speech, put good morning at the top and thank you at the bottom. If it's a letter, put Dear Whoever at the top and Regards at the bottom. If it 's anything else, copy my answer and change the name of the text and author to suit, you'll get a band six. It's a loving stupid system, but the changes they've posted for the next few years will at least give the less interested kids an out and maybe open up some space for the stronger kids to express themselves a bit by removing the loving idiotic area of study.

That said, if the marking guidelines are followed properly, a kid shouldn't be losing marks for an unorthodox interpretation of a text unless they've done a poor job of arguing or supporting their reading. Shouldn't. In reality, the DET's best Ray Hadley tribute band is going to read their essay, do a full throated pub scoff, and throw it away.

I'm not bitter. I swear.

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

Honestly Winston could have gone either way with his position and has probably been promised some rock solid policies from Labour and the Greens. The way NZ politics works is fascinating but he’s probably seen that Labour can spread the love around a bit better than the Nationals so decided to take the punt.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
So I was listening to RN talk about how Facebook was weaponsized and is now so powerful that the people who built it didn't know it could do that.

Have AU political parties used it like the Russians did, to microtarget and specify ads directly to the very few people you need to target? Have they done that already and I didn't notice (because done right you will never notice it's happened to you), or do they have no idea of the ful firepower of a fully operational facebook campagin?

Why hasn't China used it yet? What happens when they do (if they havn't already, which might explain why Sam Dasteri is back being the front face of Labour these days)? Who are they going to support or take down?

I'm guessing we'll see it when we start to see more news articles about "Taiwan". Nothing direct, but it will start to be showing up in news and fourm posts for no obvious reason otherwise.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

BBJoey posted:

ready player one is an entire book of ONLY 80s/90s KIDS WILL REMEMBER THIS

So what would you suggest for someone who enjoyed Ready Player One that satisfies your criteria of good sci fi?

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

Milky Moor posted:

“Standing on the left side of the runway was my battle-worn X-wing fighter. Parked on the right side was my DeLorean. Sitting on the runway itself was my most frequently used spacecraft, the Vonnegut. Max had already powered up the engines, and they emitted a low, steady roar that filled the hangar. The Vonnegut was a heavily modified Firefly-class transport vessel, modeled after the Serenity in the classic Firefly TV series. The ship had been named the Kaylee when I’d first obtained it, but I’d immediately rechristened it after one of my favorite twentieth-century novelists. Its new name was stenciled on the side of its battered gray hull. I’d looted the Vonnegut from a cadre of Oviraptor clansmen who had foolishly attempted to hijack my X-wing while I was cruising through a large group of worlds in Sector Eleven known as the Whedonverse."

I honestly thought this was a parody until I googled it. Now I want to die.

They should include it in the HSC.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Ready Player One is amazing because its a silly joke premise that is taken 100% seriously. Like to beat the videogame designed by the ultimate nerdlord and win a bazillion dollars to defeat capitalism the main character must recite the entirety of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe

Pwnstar posted:

Ready Player One is amazing because its a silly joke premise that is taken 100% seriously. Like to beat the videogame designed by the ultimate nerdlord and win a bazillion dollars to defeat capitalism the main character must recite the entirety of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I believe you.

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Whitlam posted:

So I was in the Speaker's Gallery for this, with a few other people, including a couple of priests behind me who would. Not. Shut. Up. Before that amendment, Richard Wynne was speaking about his dead Catholic mother, and how, if she was alive, she would have supported the Bill. One of the priests snorted and said loudly "fat chance", at which point I turned around and asked him to show some respect.

I swear to God this next part actually happened.

The one who made the comment hissed at me. Like a cat. Loudly. This is a real thing that actually happened. The other priest tried to kind of laugh it off as a joke, but saw I wasn't smiling or laughing and awkwardly patted the hissing one on the knee and told him to calm down.

*~respectful debate~*
quoted because i believe this story due to being a chronic hisser from age 2-18

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

the old ceremony posted:

quoted because i believe this story due to being a chronic hisser from age 2-18

What happened at 18? Did someone just punch you?

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

NPR Journalizard posted:

So what would you suggest for someone who enjoyed Ready Player One that satisfies your criteria of good sci fi?

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Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Cleretic posted:

Wait, how does that work and happen?

Mixed

Member

Proportional






Guaranteed to keep those pesky nazi's out of office.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

lol i just remembered that julie bishop accused the ALP of conspiring with NZ Labour to bring down the Australian government. this’s gonna be really fun for everyone

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




She's gone defensive on her twitter tonight

e.

Moo Cowabunga fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Oct 19, 2017

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Julie trying so hard not to use the term fake news

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
oh god gently caress me

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/920989775380725761

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Cleretic posted:

I also hate Tolkein for his imitators ruining fantasy forever, but that's not really his fault.

I feel the same way about Wilde. I adore his wit, but in the 150 or so years since he wrote, it's been repeated so many times as to appear cliché, despite him creating most of those tropes, which just kills a bunch of the fun for me when reading them.



Smegmatron posted:

One of them was my teacher teacher at uni and made it really clear that she had no time for any kid that didn't have their eyes on a PhD in English lit glorifying the eternal god emperor of all linguistic acheivement his royal holy majesty Sir William J Shakespeare Esq. We disagreed.

It's funny that of the two English teachers I had in year 11 and 12, both had extensive education in classical literature focusing on Shakespeare but both had almost totally opposite views of his works.

The first taught me in year 11, she was the head teacher and an utterly humourless and cruel woman and turned his plays into an unpleasant chore while venerating him like a flawless demigod. I think every single student came out of her class hating Shakespeare and even just the subject of English itself.

The second teacher taught me in year 12 and had the opinion that Shakespeare was great, but trash. She compared his works to soap operas and action movies. Told us how the Globe Theatre had to beg the patrons not to piss and poo poo on the floor during the performances but to pass around the provided bucket and hand it back to a staff member when it got full so they could go toss it in the Thames.

Most of the patrons would have been drunken yokels willing to throw down some groats for a bit of swordplay and the occasional titty, rarely the upper crust.

By the time we finished year 12 English, everyone enjoyed his work to at least some extent because she would sit down and explain everything bit by bit and translate all the really fun insults and put everything into its own perspective.

I pity all the students who only ever had the first type of teacher and never the second :(

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

We don't need the ABC, sky seems pretty "fair and balanced"

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
Also theatre box seats were mostly used for bonin'

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

BBJoey posted:

facebook posts

:jerkbag:

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
LOL the Arse is reporting that NZ Lab ONLY GOT 36 PC OF THE POPULAR VOTE hahahaha suck poo poo you horrible bastards.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Lmao at another ad targeting Chinese Australians.

Looking forward to gay people forcing a great leap forward upon me so I can start making pig iron in my house.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Starshark posted:

LOL the Arse is reporting that NZ Lab ONLY GOT 36 PC OF THE POPULAR VOTE hahahaha suck poo poo you horrible bastards.

what’s the primary vote of the liberal party (not the coalition, just the libs), again :thunk:

Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord

Starshark posted:

LOL the Arse is reporting that NZ Lab ONLY GOT 36 PC OF THE POPULAR VOTE hahahaha suck poo poo you horrible bastards.

https://twitter.com/reddishraven/status/921128287979442176

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Pictured: the Australian Liberal Party

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

BBJoey posted:

what’s the primary vote of the liberal party (not the coalition, just the libs), again :thunk:

Haven't found it yet, but the whole coalition only managed a flaccid 42.1.

Given that the libs and nats typically don't compete in the reps, I'm not sure that you can split the result with any real degree of accuracy in terms of the lower house - but the senate is a different story.

Someone ping Antony Green?

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

It’s not really either a fair or straightforward comparison in NZ politics but of course that never stopped News limited from having a go anyway.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
I feel like this one's a bit on the nose though. News are clesrly following their leader into senility, and will hopefully succeed in alienating most of their remaining readers by the time he dies, and before he can appoint a younger successor.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

How can these people speak professionally yet have no loving control over their voices?

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
Victorian Lower House has passed the Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Whitlam posted:

Victorian Lower House has passed the Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W77xbWW4kTY

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



Whitlam posted:

Victorian Lower House has passed the Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill.

Victoria best state to kill you are self in

cohsae
Jun 19, 2015

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...2425-1508453670

quote:

A FORMER model whose personal details were accessed by hundreds of snooping Queensland police officers is outraged that not one will face criminal charges.

Model turned justice crusader Renee Eaves last year discovered 258 individual officers had accessed her private QPRIME file more than 1400 times.

Ms Eaves, who has been a vocal and high-profile critic of the Queensland Police Service for many years, said she felt violated and was forced to move cities.

However, after an 18-month internal affairs investigation by the Ethical Standards Command (ESC), not one officer will face criminal charges and only two were offered “managerial guidance”.

At the same time, officers from around the state are being prosecuted in growing numbers for computer hacking and looking up everyone from wives, girlfriends and family members to co-workers and sports stars on the official QPRIME database.

It lists private details including addresses and contact information for millions of Queenslanders.

Ms Eaves was given a personal assurance by officers at the ESC that those responsible for any unauthorised access of her files would be liable to prosecution for serious criminal offences.

Ms Eaves, who is now taking civil action against five of the officers accused of snooping through her personal details, said the decision by the ESC not to lay criminal charges against a single officer was disgusting.

“I’m ropeable,” she said. “After I was told that anyone who did this would face criminal prosecution, it’s a real kick in the guts, especially when you consider that many of the entries on my file coincide with times when I have been in the media supporting people against exactly this kind of behaviour.”

In a statement, a QPS spokesman said all staff were last year given explicit instructions that breaching privacy guidelines would be considered misconduct and could result in criminal charges.

Ms Eaves’ search of QPRIME access was returned in April last year.

Love to live in the panopticon. Love massive databases of all of our personal info with gently caress all oversight

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Processed through Australia Post facility Wed 11 Oct location, WELSHPOOL WA
Processed through Australia Post facility Mon 16 Oct location, CHULLORA NSW
Processed through Australia Post facility Thu 19 Oct location, WELSHPOOL WA

So uhhh is it common for AusPost to ship your package from Perth to Sydney and back for no reason whatsoever?

I googled a bit and found that they purchased some expensive automated sorting machines that routinely mis-scan labels and send parcels off on (sometimes several) week-long tours of major sorting facilities. This sounds eerily similar to Canada Post, who (when under Conservative government management) took a profitable and efficient service, spent $2 billion on letter-sorting equipment when letter volumes were going down, tried to roll back worker benefits and threatened a lockout at least once, then cooked the books on pension liabilities so that the corporation managed to post a loss in 2014, leading to inevitable calls for its privatization. Well anyway, that's a glimpse into AusPost's possible future. If it makes you feel better, Canada Post returned to profitability after that and then the Conservatives got thrashed in the following election.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

eXXon posted:

Processed through Australia Post facility Wed 11 Oct location, WELSHPOOL WA
Processed through Australia Post facility Mon 16 Oct location, CHULLORA NSW
Processed through Australia Post facility Thu 19 Oct location, WELSHPOOL WA

So uhhh is it common for AusPost to ship your package from Perth to Sydney and back for no reason whatsoever?

I googled a bit and found that they purchased some expensive automated sorting machines that routinely mis-scan labels and send parcels off on (sometimes several) week-long tours of major sorting facilities. This sounds eerily similar to Canada Post, who (when under Conservative government management) took a profitable and efficient service, spent $2 billion on letter-sorting equipment when letter volumes were going down, tried to roll back worker benefits and threatened a lockout at least once, then cooked the books on pension liabilities so that the corporation managed to post a loss in 2014, leading to inevitable calls for its privatization. Well anyway, that's a glimpse into AusPost's possible future. If it makes you feel better, Canada Post returned to profitability after that and then the Conservatives got thrashed in the following election.

I don't know but USPS once routed my package supposed to go from Oregon to BC through Kansas. Like, why?

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
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Because letting state funded entities remain competitive is communism.

See also: The ABC; Public health insurance; Whatever publicly owned public transport still exists in the Anglosphere.

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