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The SituAsian posted:Gonna finally get that belt off of Billy Joe Has Saunders fought anybody at all since getting the belt? I've literally heard nothing about him since I started watching fights again a couple years back. Hopefully Lemieux can take it off him --- a guy who actually fights on the regular.
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hexwren posted:Has Saunders fought anybody at all since getting the belt? I've literally heard nothing about him since I started watching fights again a couple years back. Hopefully Lemieux can take it off him --- a guy who actually fights on the regular. Pretty sure he won a tedious decision recently
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hexwren posted:Has Saunders fought anybody at all since getting the belt? I've literally heard nothing about him since I started watching fights again a couple years back. Hopefully Lemieux can take it off him --- a guy who actually fights on the regular. He won the belt in December of 15 from Andy Lee and since then has fought twice. Looked like complete dogshit against Arthur Akavov about a year later then decisioned Willie Monroe Jr the day of Canelo/GGG. The main highlight was the day before at the weigh in when Saunders' jerk kid punched Monroe in the dick. I, like most, want Lemeiux to brutalize him (mainly because then there's a path for the belts to be unified) but i worry Lemeiux is limited enough that Saunders has the skill to grind out a decision. Edit: happens at 3:45. Also because the headline "Saunders’ son punches Monroe in the balls during weigh-in" is cool and good. https://www.badlefthook.com/2017/9/15/16314394/saunders-son-punches-monroe-in-the-balls-during-weigh-in#comments The SituAsian fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Saunders beat Eubank Jr, Andy Lee, some guy and Monroe Jr in a run that's been pretty decent but set back by injuries and weird promotional problems. He was getting strung along by Canelo and GGG last year as part of back up plan or negotiation piece for their fight for the last year, but he's still a world level middleweight and will be a tough match for Lemieux who's been found out at the world level before. I might go to this fight if it happens in Montreal as is rumoured. Lemieux is a favourite fighter of mine and seeing him win another title would be cool. EDIT: https://gfycat.com/DeficientHighlevelAracari Jump King fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 01:40
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Saunders beat Eubank Jr, Andy Lee, some guy and Monroe Jr in a run that's been pretty decent but set back by injuries and weird promotional problems. He was getting strung along by Canelo and GGG last year as part of back up plan or negotiation piece for their fight for the last year, but he's still a world level middleweight and will be a tough match for Lemieux who's been found out at the world level before. Not trying to call you out cause i got nothing but love for regs in this thread but that's what kind of bothers me about some of the first take analysis. True he was dominated by-arguably the best p4p fighter at his peak-but it's hard to see how that applies to a fat waster who hasn't shown much skill in years. Edit: I mean if we agree there are levels in boxing then it's hard to see how much of GGG-Lemeiux applies too Lemieux-Saunders Vvv no doubt but I feel like the Rubio stoppage and Alcine loss were against basically a completely different fighter. Basically this feels-to borrow a term from baseball sabremetrics-a two true outcome fight. Either Saunders keeps the one dimensional Lemeiux at bay for 12 rounds to win a decision or Lemeiux touches an out of shape Saunders early and puts him on the highlight reel within 6. The SituAsian fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 02:15
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GGG was not the first man to beat Lemieux
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I mean I'm obviously being harsh on Lemieux, who I love dearly. He's improved a lot since his first losses and Saunders has arguably gotten worse over the last year, but I just find it a little weird that people are acting like Saunders getting KOed is a foregone conclusion. It's true that Saunders is not as good as GGG, but I don't have reason to believe Lemieux is that much better than Eubank or Lee. Saunders is a good boxer and Lemmy has been troubled by boxing before. I like this fight precisely because it's a pretty even match up imo, assuming they both make weight and show up in their best forms. I think Saunders would be the betting favourite though.
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Oh Jesus Christ I'm an idiot. I've been confused all along wondering why David Lemieux was going all the way down to middleweight. Apparently seeing Montreal just made my brain insert Jean Pascal as who was being talked about regardless of the actual name. And I even know and like Lemieux as a fighter.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:12
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Saunders, if nothing else, is a pretty capable boxer with decent movement. He can cause Lemieux problems.
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eubank jr would have beaten saunders if eubank sr hadn't been so conservative with his tactics until the match was already lost on points
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Lemieux has the weirdest boxer's body out there right now He looks like someone out of the 1890s It's like he eats 4 pizzas after weigh in and then has a little pot belly ElGroucho fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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ElGroucho posted:Lemieux has the weirdest boxer's body out there right now
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I always thought Andy Lee looked and fought like a guy in an etching from Victorian England
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Saw an article on BadLeftHook about Mayweather hinting at yet another comeback. I've always taken Floyd's "retirement" with a grain of salt, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him return, but regardless of whether he sticks to retirement or not, just be mentally prepared to see more articles like this for the next ten years or so.
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The Ninth Layer posted:Saw an article on BadLeftHook about Mayweather hinting at yet another comeback. I've always taken Floyd's "retirement" with a grain of salt, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him return, but regardless of whether he sticks to retirement or not, just be mentally prepared to see more articles like this for the next ten years or so. Floyd is almost 41 and looked absolutely terrible against McGregor. Unless he's training for a rematch with McGregor, I can't imagine he comes back. Any of the top guys at 147 or 154 beats him at this point in his career, and none of them have a big enough name to really warrant Floyd coming back for them.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I mean I'm obviously being harsh on Lemieux, who I love dearly. He's improved a lot since his first losses and Saunders has arguably gotten worse over the last year, but I just find it a little weird that people are acting like Saunders getting KOed is a foregone conclusion. It's true that Saunders is not as good as GGG, but I don't have reason to believe Lemieux is that much better than Eubank or Lee. Saunders is a good boxer and Lemmy has been troubled by boxing before. I love Lemieux but he's a perfectly one dimensional fighter. Saunders isn't great but he does a lot of things well and he's technically superior to Lemieux, who's losses to Joachim Alcine and Marco Rubio show that he's not and never will be a truly elite guy. I hope I'm wrong, but I expect Saunders to win a boring decision here.
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ggg purposely lost rounds to canelo to get floyd out of retirement. it all makes sense now
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One fun thing about Saunders-Lemieux will be seeing both fighters gas out after 6 rounds.
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thehappyprince posted:ggg purposely lost rounds to canelo to get floyd out of retirement. it all makes sense now Hahah I want to believe
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:One fun thing about Saunders-Lemieux will be seeing both fighters gas out after 6 rounds. It's almost certainly going to be a lovely fight unless Lemieux sparks him.
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Tonight’s HBO card is off to a good start. I’m glad they showed the Burnett/Zhakiyanov fight out of Northern Ireland. Both of them are tough as nails.
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Ricky Hatton's found a weird niche in training random Eastern Europeans for fights against favoured boxers in their hometowns
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Gassiev just flattened a dude in the WBSS, the semis for cruiserweight are now Gassiev-Dorticos and Usyk-Briedis
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"Andre Ward, you are boring and possibly gay" - Max kellerman
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Of course I choose to flip to the Clippers game and miss a stoppage
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The SituAsian posted:"Andre Ward, you are boring and possibly gay" - Max kellerman gonna need context on this
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:gonna need context on this Obviously I'm misquoting but Max began the 12th round of Andrade-Fox by saying Andre seems to get salty when he or Lampley say a fighter is being boring and that he needs to accept that fans expect a certain level of entertainment from boxing.
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Monday Bandele posted:I can't be the only one who thinks Kellerman is a total charlatan right? I don't get how you can be in the position of a highly regarded analyst when you've never boxed or trained anyone yourself. Al Bernstein is a print journalist by trade and probably the best analyst in TV
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The SituAsian posted:Al Bernstein is a print journalist by trade and probably the best analyst in TV Not that he was particularly good but Larry Merchant was just a journalist too wasn't he? Seems like there's been a color guy like that in the booth for the last 30 years on major broadcasts, and then a current/past boxer or trainer in addition to that.
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Monday Bandele posted:I can't be the only one who thinks Kellerman is a total charlatan right? I don't get how you can be in the position of a highly regarded analyst when you've never boxed or trained anyone yourself. What do you mean? Max Kellerman has a long and storied history of boxing fandom and knowledge to draw upon https://streamable.com/hq6ev
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Monday Bandele posted:I can't be the only one who thinks Kellerman is a total charlatan right? I don't get how you can be in the position of a highly regarded analyst when you've never boxed or trained anyone yourself. Personally I think way too many announcing jobs are given to guys who aren't particularly good at announcing, distilling the storylines down, or making clear points, simply because they've been boxers themselves. Max has his flaws, but he's my favourite analysts in Boxing.
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There are many subjects about which it is possible to speak well without having first-hand experience. If forced to choose between the two, I'd rather listen to an announcer who has been trained as an announcer and watched 5,000 fights and researched the sport but never trained as a fighter than a guy who has been punched in the head a whole bunch but never trained as an announcer. That the audience primarily does not speak or understand boxer jargon makes a non-boxer probably a better choice too. Of course the ideal is someone who is trained as an announcer who trains for fun and watches fights obsessively, which is why Joe Rogan has so much staying power with the UFC, despite his flaws. The reason all of those HBO and Showtime guys are annoying is all of the cross-promotion poo poo. Their employer has a vested interest in which fighter wins.
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I have an HBO subscription, but if it’s available, I will always watch a lower quality Box Nation stream. My favorite commentator is Steve Bunce. I wish he could get a stateside gig, but Americans would probably complain about not being able to understand him. I think Kellerman’s commentary is decent, but his interview skills are sorely lacking. A good post-fight interview is important and he often asks lame and sometimes dumb questions. Of course there are exceptions, but I am rarely surprised by a Kellerman interview.
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I think boxing is such a gruelling sport that having first hand experience of what the participants are going through is invaluable. I do like Bernstein though I know him mostly as.a commentator. Obviously many ex pros are terrible and are incapable of analytical thought, like Carl Froch and his 10-10 rounds. But I'll always value the opinion of a guy like Manny Steward over Merchant and Kellerman.
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I think having a good mix is important. That's why I like the HBO team. Jones's experience is helpful in ways that Kellerman's analysis isn't, and Lederman (for all his flaws) offers good insight on what a judge sees.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Gassiev just flattened a dude in the WBSS, the semis for cruiserweight are now Gassiev-Dorticos and Usyk-Briedis Great semi finals. Gassiev/Dorticos especially is a true pick 'em. Usyk should get a decent test from Briedis but he should ultimately win a UD. Also, Max Kellerman is great.
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