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Pollyanna posted:I'm really tempted, but I don't like to burn bridges. I have considered passing out a bunch of DSA fliers and pamphlets before I leave though If you have an exit interview I hope it at least involves telling whomever that your team lead is a terrible fuckup and that your confidence in the company making good decisions ended when he was promoted.
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geeves posted:If you have an exit interview I hope it at least involves telling whomever that your team lead is a terrible fuckup and that your confidence in the company making good decisions ended when he was promoted. My dude, who do you think will be doing the exit interview if not the team lead? I mean, just going from all the stories so far, he'll schedule it and not show up and that'll be that.
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Munkeymon posted:My dude, who do you think will be doing the exit interview if not the team lead? The last exit interview I did was done with an HR person. I'm still proud that my complaining about the state of the cookie platter at lunch led to some form of lasting change 
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I actually figured out why he's not as available as he could be: they've been putting him in 1~2-hour long managerial meetings and a bunch of candidate interviews and stuff since before he got bumped up to director. So that, at least, isn't his fault. He seems to be faring better as a manager/director than as a team lead/engineer, as well (because he isn't writing code). The exit interview will likely be with him, yeah, but I've basically already had my exit interview with him when we started regular 1-on-1s. We covered the change in leadership, the recent departures, that one guy who had been there for 11 years and got kicked out of the company in favor of the new CTO's old teammate, the new policies and practices that have been hell on developer happiness and stability, etc. I just kind of unloaded on him and he agreed with a lot that I had to say, and to his credit he has been pushing back against the stupider rules (logging hours, WFH ban), so he seems to be on our side. They're somewhat lenient on us since we're the highest performing team. Too bad for the execs that I'll be leaving. Oh, and it's official: 
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Oct 19, 2017 13:48
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Congratulations!
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Oct 19, 2017 13:51
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Nicely done.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:21
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redleader posted:We only have to target one type of label printer. That seems to be the best option. Whenever we need to support another label printer I get another put on the table next to my desk. Currently five different models 
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Pollyanna posted:I actually figured out why he's not as available as he could be: they've been putting him in 1~2-hour long managerial meetings and a bunch of candidate interviews and stuff since before he got bumped up to director. So that, at least, isn't his fault. He seems to be faring better as a manager/director than as a team lead/engineer, as well (because he isn't writing code). Congratulations!
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Oct 19, 2017 15:59
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Congrats!
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Oct 19, 2017 16:32
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Congratulations !
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Thanks, guys! It's a remote opportunity with a company on the other side of the country, so it'll be an interesting experience. The product and work to be done sounds pretty good, though, so I'm up for the challenge.
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Oct 19, 2017 18:08
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As long as it's not Experts Exchange! 
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CPColin posted:As long as it's not Experts Exchange!  Anyway congratulations Pollyanna! Here's hoping you find your pod~
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Oct 19, 2017 19:18
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I do not mean that. That joke is as lame as saying, "This site sure is something awful!"
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Oct 19, 2017 19:23
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CPColin posted:I do not mean that. That joke is as lame as saying, "This site sure is something awful!" Didn't you work there?
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Yes.
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Oct 19, 2017 19:31
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Were you working there when Stack Overflow came out?
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Yep. Worked there from 2007 to a few days into this year. Lots of heads in the sand around that time!
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Oh man I didn't realize you were there that long. You should have glued that award to the CEO's head
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Yeah what the gently caress, I thought this was a typical 2-3 year long thing. 10 years and they pull that poo poo? Holy hell.
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Pollyanna posted:Oh, and it's official: I think it's still his fault to some degree. He should have communicated these meetings as blockers a long time ago to you and the rest of your team. But maybe that's just part of his learning process as well and the fact that he didn't it's obvious from this thread he's been some sort of antagonizing force that could have been mitigated with this information. In general, there should be some open way to see what people's schedules are. We use google email/calendar/etc and I have my chain of command added to my calendar as well as my teammates and every conference room (we only have 4 rooms so it's not too bad). At the very least it gives me a snapshot of what's going on for the day in my office that I may need to be aware of. This was very useful for me when working remotely a few years ago now as the principal lead. I need to be aware of these things if only at a high level. The Rooms are the most beneficial since they have the meeting titles while personal calendar items just say "Busy". But to reiterate, working remotely, this stuff is nice to see to stay on top of things and able to engage. So I hope you're able to do that.
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I guess now that I’m moving on I feel less inclined to pass blame around/be particularly hard on anyone on my team, especially given that the primary reason I’m leaving lies with leadership and their poor performance. Maybe it’s the change of perspective that did it, I dunno. Either way, I’ve put in my two weeks. I don’t want to just slack off for the next half month, so I’ll be wrapping up tickets and stuff and seeing what I can do to help the new team members get onboarded. One thing’s for certain: I’ve got a LOT of experience with supporting dubious code based now...I just hope I don’t have to do too much UI heavy work in the future. And if I do, please don’t let me have to do it all from scratch 
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Double post, but this thread captured a sentiment that I’ve been very conflicted and worried about myself: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921366047122268165 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921366583477334017 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921367496355037184 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921369324312453120 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921369505397219328 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921370663314530304 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921370781346443267 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921370928478527488 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921371455480152064 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/921371646551670784 https://twitter.com/kcunning/status/921369842313256960 There is this strange obsession with extracurricular activities in the tech world that is only rivaled by college acceptance boards. This manifests as this kind of “if you don’t program 24/7 or treat your job as a job then you’re a lesser person” sentiment and it is hella destructive. Just because programming and development isn’t your raison d’etre, doesn’t mean you don’t care about your work. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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So don't work for people who hold that belief?
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Hmm yes great point. I'm sure she never thought of that. Thanks for the insight.
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Pollyanna posted:There is this strange obsession with extracurricular activities in the tech world that is only rivaled by college acceptance boards. This manifests as this kind of “if you don’t program 24/7 or treat your job as a job then you’re a lesser person” sentiment and it is hella destructive. I don't think it's a 'strange' obsession. Was Beethoven or Mozart 'strangely' obsessed with music? Should they have just backed off to 'make room' for other composers? Some people will be passionate about their work, and will in fact be obsessed, and that's fine. If it's not for you, that's fine too, but you have to accept that you just aren't part of that world. I don't think the solution is 'passion is bad, bleh is great!'.
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That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that passion takes many forms, exists in many magnitudes, and is not a requirement to succeed.
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Pollyanna posted:That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that passion takes many forms, exists in many magnitudes, and is not a requirement to succeed. Maybe, but it's a rude fact of the universe that if you DO do something 24/7, you'll probably be better at it than someone who doesn't. You are free to choose your level of dedication to a craft.
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Skandranon posted:Maybe, but it's a rude fact of the universe that if you DO do something 24/7, you'll probably be better at it than someone who doesn't. Depends on what it is. Programming isn't shooting a basketball, things like perspective matter. Beyond that, the "art" of programming is really about managing complexity and I'm not sure keeping your face glued to a computer 24/7 is actually the most effective way to learn how to do that.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Depends on what it is. Programming isn't shooting a basketball, things like perspective matter. Beyond that, the "art" of programming is really about managing complexity and I'm not sure keeping your face glued to a computer 24/7 is actually the most effective way to learn how to do that. Sure, there are many facets, and I'm sure there are diminishing returns, but all other things being equal, more practice is better. It would be pretty awful if this was not the case, and Mr Mega Midichlorians will always be a better Jedi because of his genetic 'privilege'.
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Pollyanna posted:Just because programming and development isn’t your raison d’etre, doesn’t mean you don’t care about your work. Those twitter posts highlight an important issue in the industry (pressure to overwork), but it's a really dumb hot take. Being passionate is privilege? Give me a break, that's pathetic. The culture of expecting developers to make their out-of-office life an afterthought is a problem, nobody should be expected to consistently stay in the office after hours, or go home at the end of the day and work more. But if someone is truly passionate and wants to do something all the time, who cares. People are passionate and do that in every field, it has nothing to do with privilege or development. Privilege is a big deal in terms of someones capability to dedicate a lot of time to something, but that's a much broader issue that affects literally everything in life, and it's counter-productive to say that passion is privilege, it's just a bad twitter hot take.
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Taffer posted:Those twitter posts highlight an important issue in the industry (pressure to overwork), but it's a really dumb hot take. Being passionate is privilege? Give me a break, that's pathetic. The reason "passionate" is in quotes in all those tweets is because "passion" is being used as a euphemism for exactly "expecting developers to make their out-of-office life an afterthought".
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This reminds me of a few years ago, when my boss at EE was trying to figure out how to motivate me, because I was moping around and being a general pain in the rear end. He'd given everybody some psych test aimed at figuring out developers' motivations and mine was like 1's across the board, 4 for salary, and a 10 for code quality. I kept saying I wasn't getting the support I needed in order to address the decades of technical debt and they should have made me an architect years ago. This was right around when I actually had an offer to work somewhere else that I agonized over for a while before turning down. My boss started dangling the architect title in front of me at the same time, to entice me to stay. Annual review rolls around and I get a bump in pay and no new title. When I continued moping around (even harder now, because of the bait-and-switch), my boss went, "I don't understand. I gave you a big raise, so you should be happy." Guess the results of that motivation assessment didn't really sink in! Today, I'm passionate about putting in 40 hours a week and giving precisely zero thought to work outside of those 40 hours! Also posting on company time.
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The passionate is privledge part is because it's a luxury to touch a computer for many hours a day. Gotta have some wealth and stability to do it.
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KoRMaK posted:The passionate is privledge part is because it's a luxury to touch a computer for many hours a day. Gotta have some wealth and stability to do it. This basically applies to any craft anywhere. Software Development is one of the most accessible crafts in the history of the planet. Anyone with a potato and an internet connection has access to the top echelons of the field in seconds.
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Skandranon posted:This basically applies to any craft anywhere. Software Development is one of the most accessible crafts in the history of the planet. Anyone with a potato and an internet connection has access to the top echelons of the field in seconds.
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darthbob88 posted:True, but the fact that hobby software has a lower barrier to entry than aerospace engineering doesn't change the fact that such a barrier does exist and does prevent people from achieving the same level of success as people with money. I guess you're right, money is evil, viva la revolution! Eat the rich!
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The existence of more severe problems in other fields doesn't negate problems in the current field. Nor does the intractability of the problem suggested by an explanatory framework that encompasses the problem in question.
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Skandranon posted:I guess you're right, money is evil, viva la revolution! Eat the rich! Now you understand, comrade.    
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