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The Dennis System posted:A lot of people, probably including a lot of critics, only liked Gone Home for ideological reasons. Your sadly probably right to an extent which sucks because the game is genuinely good mostly because other factors. Not because it was about a lesbian girl and her girlfriend. It’s a positive but it’s nit the soul loving reason it’s good.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Your sadly probably right to an extent which sucks because the game is genuinely good mostly because other factors. Not because it was about a lesbian girl and her girlfriend. It’s a positive but it’s nit the soul loving reason it’s good. Other factors like what? There's no enemies, no stat system, no sequence of triggers to break and no varied difficulty. There's nothing to really manipulate or exact player agency upon besides how you walk around the house and click on things to read. This same story could have been told in text-form or a movie and the experience would be the exact same. The only thing that is notable about it is the "twist" ending which isn't a twist or very interesting for people who already have gay family members or friends. Even then, "story" is not a good reason to play a video game if the mechanics don't do anything novel to tell the story. Sure Gone Home has a right to exist but if you compare to any game with actual depth you'll find it is woefully lacking in any sort of characteristic that makes for an engaging experience that's actually worth putting down money for when you can just watch someone play it on youtube with no commentary and get the exact same experience.
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Panzeh posted:And holding up Deus ex as a fine example of a branching plot is hilarious because you literally choose your ending twenty minutes before the end, just like the way people complained about the newer Deus Ex's ending. It's not just a button, but it's the same poo poo. thank you, this is what I came here to post. I love Deus Ex to death but people are wearing some serious rose colored glasses when they talk about how much real choice it gave the player. I think the main reason people feel like the endings were more meaningful than DXHR's cutscene buttons was because they represented actual philosophical choices that the previous 95% of the game had spent time building up, and gave you decent characters that represented those philosophies (Everett, Tong) who tried to convince you they were right. I didn't play Mass Effect 3 because Mass Effect 2 sucked. I'm forced to work for a terrorist organization, who has me wasting time chasing bugs instead of actually preparing for the Reaper invasion, which everybody else is now convinced doesn't exist for some reason? Despite me spending the whole first game convincing everyone the Reapers are real. I guess nobody trusts me now because I'm working for a terrorist organization that I had no say in joining. I played the first 4 hours or so waiting for the option to shove my ship up Martin Sheen's rear end and tell Cerberus to go gently caress themselves and stopped when I realized that wasn't going to happen.
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Twelve Batmans posted:
If there was enemies and you shot them you'd still just be clicking on things. You play videogames by clicking on things.
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Twelve Batmans posted:Other factors like what? To be fair, while I do like the game, it’s not in my top 10 or 50, I just have a very soft spot for good environmental story telling. Plus the devs always struck me as cool people unlike say those dipshits from the Chinese room.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:To be fair, while I do like the game, it’s not in my top 10 or 50, I just have a very soft spot for good environmental story telling. Plus the devs always struck me as cool people unlike say those dipshits from the Chinese room. You know, that's fine. I have a soft spot for games I understand don't really have much to offer outside their initial gimmick. It just struck me as strange how well-received GH was for how little video game there actually is in its presentation. Owlofcreamcheese posted:If there was enemies and you shot them you'd still just be clicking on things. You play videogames by clicking on things. But some games have no clicking at all. This is weak.
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Lunchabully posted:
To be fair, there's precedent in the real world for powerful people ignoring evidence of an imminent existential threat. Also you don't work for Cerberus, you use their resources and follow leads they give you
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Also you can do that at the end of the game once you don’t need him anymore
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basic hitler posted:Ultima blew rear end. wow talk about bad video game opinions
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2house2fly posted:To be fair, there's precedent in the real world for powerful people ignoring evidence of an imminent existential threat. Fair point. Although I'd like to believe that if global warming showed up as a hundred foot tall robot squid firing heat rays at New York City, with the promise of more to come, the US would at least sign the Kyoto Protocol. 2house2fly posted:Also you don't work for Cerberus, you use their resources and follow leads they give you If I'm wearing their uniform, flying in their ship, using their members as my crew, taking the advice of their leader, and accomplishing their goals, I'm not really seeing the difference. fruit on the bottom posted:Also you can do that at the end of the game once you don’t need him anymore I'm glad to hear it, but why did I need him at all? I'm a high ranking officer in Earth's military, I'm best buds with the human representative on the galactic council, that same council has given me 007 immunity powers to do whatever the gently caress I think is necessary to keep the peace. I don't care if the Illusive Man spent his retirement savings to bring me back to life, I don't owe him poo poo. I dunno, maybe it's because I played ME2 right after ME1, but the beginning of the game left a real bitter taste in my mouth. It's like the developers wanted to wipe the whole slate clean so they could have the plot they wanted, rather than let things evolve naturally. In ME1, Cerberus is basically Space ISIS, they assassinate people they don't like and do mad science experiments that get hundreds of people killed. The idea of trusting them at all is just ridiculous, and if I'm going to play Sci-Fi Cover Shooter #73562, I need to feel like my character isn't an idiot traitor.
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Well most of the places you go aren’t even in council jurisdiction in the first place. The alliance might believe you, but the rest of the space government has decided that the robot superweapon was built by the robot race and wasn’t actually a cyber-Cthulhu. Remember that no one else got to talk to Sovereign and the Prothean VI shut down too, so most of them think that Shepard is basically a Truther.
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Twelve Batmans posted:Lesbians are great story-telling devices and if you disagree it's because ideologically you hate lesbians. No it can't just be that it's a stupid and cheap reward for dicking around stupid old house for 30 minutes. Resident Evil 1 and SH: PT did the exact same poo poo but at least there was an actual game inbetween gathering information and it told a way better if not convoluted story than "your sister eats puss". so let's see if I get your points straight you either hate played gone home or didn't play it at all but have an Opinion (or more likely you borrowed some horrible youtube loser's). I don't know which is dumber. I'm pretty sure you never played it though since you feel the need to get so defensive about it, let's face it, you hate lesbians resident evil 1 has a good story, or like, a story at all zombies are good story telling devices (?) lol you're actually mad hackbunny fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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I love lesbians but it's a bummer that the lesbian in that story is your sister
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Panzeh posted:You don't actually change anything about the deus ex story other than Paul dead y/n. On the topic of Mass Effect, it's total bullshit how you never got to fight Harbinger.
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hackbunny posted:so let's see if I get your points straight This is a thread to discuss videogames. Sorry that thinking someone's sexual identity is boring as a story-telling device in a video game triggers you. I just tend to not care when the center-point of the story is a girl likes to eat vagina. I mean if I think lesbian porn is boring then I'm probably not going to like a game where a lesbian does even less than that.
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The Dennis System posted:A lot of people, probably including a lot of critics, only liked Gone Home for ideological reasons. I find that hard to believe, as gone home was good. the game has "ideological" content only if you're a complete idiot or some kind of religious nut. if you aren't a religious nut, what is your excuse? mind the walrus posted:The important thing is that you didn't have to challenge yourself. you should have done like me and paid more attention in school  have fun recreating a literary education from first principles by sifting through commercial trash for literal childrenTwelve Batmans posted:if the mechanics don't do anything novel to tell the story. but they do you haven't played it, have you
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hackbunny posted:
You click on stuff. You read stuff. There is no timing. There is no skill-set to develop. There is no critical thinking required. I think you just love lesbians.
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Sardonik posted:On the topic of Mass Effect, it's total bullshit how you never got to fight Harbinger. I'm not sure if it's an issue with Mass Effect or a brilliant idea to have the antagonist be something you as the player character can't actually fight. It makes them feel more like a "you can't just fight it" kind of threat to the setting because you literally can't fight them, but also it means that the big main plot of the series, by design, can't be resolved by gameplay, so having a satisfying ending was always going to be an uphill battle.
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Lesbians GET OUT!
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Twelve Batmans posted:This is a thread to discuss videogames. Sorry that thinking someone's sexual identity is boring as a story-telling device in a video game triggers you. I just tend to not care when the center-point of the story is a girl likes to eat vagina. I mean if I think lesbian porn is boring then I'm probably not going to like a game where a lesbian does even less than that. this post is so virgin that I turned back into a virgin from reading it
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Sardonik posted:It blew my goddamn mind when I found out that you could prevent the helicopter from exploding by way of 'A BOMB'. I'm pretty sure you get somebody's kill phrase by telling the guy in medical to stay in there and meeting them later in Paris. Also the choice to save lebedev in the airfield by killing Anna. The materiality of all of these to the overall story can be argued, but the choices provided by the original Deus Ex were and still are striking in comparison to even its own sequels. the thing is none of those are signposted with a big glowing exclamation point penis floating above their heads or otherwise signposted so a bunch of people missed them completely i didn't know you could save paul until my third or fourth playthrough which is weird AF because he's a main goddamn character in IW which i played first, i just thought he was robot-ed back to life
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hackbunny posted:this post is so virgin that I turned back into a virgin from reading it i hope, someday, to post as bad as this. with patience and preserverence, and maybe a little luck, god willing, i'll get there
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imagine getting so angry that someone didn't like gone home in 2017, like, holy poo poo
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I have called this man a virgin because he does not like lesbian porn
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food court bailiff posted:i hope, someday, to post as bad as this. with patience and preserverence, and maybe a little luck, god willing, i'll get there This but also in regards to twelve Batman’s
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It's true. Somehow my disinterest in two women kissing mixed with high-pitched panting and taco-slapping means my penis has never been inside the hole-flesh of another human being.
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2house2fly posted:I'm not sure if it's an issue with Mass Effect or a brilliant idea to have the antagonist be something you as the player character can't actually fight. It makes them feel more like a "you can't just fight it" kind of threat to the setting because you literally can't fight them, but also it means that the big main plot of the series, by design, can't be resolved by gameplay, so having a satisfying ending was always going to be an uphill battle. I mean, they could have done what kotor II(sion, atris), shadowrun dragonfall(the dragonslayer), neverwinter knights II(courtroom), or any other number of games did and had a verbal based encounter where you had convince it of something or break it intellectually. Instead you just tell some weird computer how to handle it, there's no confrontation to it at all
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you sound like someone who has Opinions on reproductive rights, the wage gap and antifascists food court bailiff posted:imagine getting so angry that someone didn't like gone home in 2017, like, holy poo poo you care you lose 
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Professor Cthulhu posted:People liked gone home? the cross is mine to bear
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food court bailiff posted:the thing is none of those are signposted with a big glowing exclamation point penis floating above their heads or otherwise signposted so a bunch of people missed them completely yeah this is actually a really important part of Deus Ex's replayability and the feeling of "holy poo poo, you can do that?!" Like the whole MJ12 base under Hell's Kitchen is a huge map that players could completely miss if they're not paying attention. No quest arrows, no minimap, no bouncing button prompts. You actually have to listen and explore Developers these days aren't willing to risk putting in effort for content that even a small percentage of players will never see. unless it's walmart exclusive content, of course
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hackbunny posted:you sound like someone who has Opinions on reproductive rights, the wage gap and antifascists I'm extremely pro-choice/death and think women should be able to rid their bodies of whatever ails them even if it's a fetus or hell chop up a 3rd trimester baby I don't give a poo poo it's their body. That's a really weak attempt at character-sniping. Try harder! Also the wage-gap doesn't exist in the form you think it does and antifa was declared a terrorist organization by our own government because suppressing speech you don't like with physical violence is in itself fascism. I'm glad we cleared that up so you can go back to telling me how I've never been laid because I don't like lesbian porn. I'm still wondering how that one works. Twelve Batmans fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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FoolyCharged posted:I mean, they could have done what kotor II(sion, atris), shadowrun dragonfall(the dragonslayer), neverwinter knights II(courtroom), or any other number of games did and had a verbal based encounter where you had convince it of something or break it intellectually.
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Twelve Batmans posted:I'm extremely pro-choice/death and think women should be able to rid their bodies of whatever ails them even if it's a fetus or hell chop up a 3rd trimester baby I don't give a poo poo it's their body. That's a really weak attempt character-sniping. Try harder! lol
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Twelve Batmans posted:I'm extremely pro-choice/death and think women should be able to rid their bodies of whatever ails them even if it's a fetus or hell chop up a 3rd trimester baby I don't give a poo poo it's their body. That's a really weak attempt at character-sniping. Try harder! *flailing around desperately for an adequate on-topic response to this* i think uhh that Star Wars Battlefront 2 is looking like an abortion of a game, haha
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MGSV: Phatom Pain is a really good game but the opening is real loving stupid and boring.
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hackbunny posted:you care you lose you care, militantly, about other people liking the same games as you. it's what you care about that makes you a loser Lunchabully posted:MJ12 base under Hell's Kitchen what the gently caress I don't think I've ever done that.
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food court bailiff posted:what the gently caress I don't think I've ever done that. There's even a quest for it, given by the guy named smuggler. 
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Sardonik posted:On the topic of Mass Effect, it's total bullshit how you never got to fight Harbinger. Same, but the opposite. ME1 was the only game that made the Reapers into a credible thread. In ME1 the Reapers are giant apocalypse gods that can only be destroyed with trickery. In ME2 the reaper you meet is a goofy puppet (literally) who gets blown up with a bit of rifle fire In ME3 reapers are pretty much trash mobs, one gets taken out by a worm - reminder that that reaper was supposed to represent the collective power of a 50,000 year period in the evolution of sentient life throughout galaxy
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