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Al Borland Corp. posted:That's not it either. It's that Superman repeated his father's dying words as Batman stood over him just like Joe Chill stood over Thomas. He didn't realize something about Superman, he realized something about himself. They even flash back to that scene in the middle of the scene. I don't know how everyone misses it. What did he realize about himself?
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Roth posted:What did he realize about himself? That he's become dick cheney
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MacheteZombie posted:That he's become dick cheney Batman doesn't use a 12 gauge.
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MacheteZombie posted:That he's become dick cheney BvS is true capekino
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MacheteZombie posted:He just acknowledges that Superman has parents. not human ones Yes, and earlier in the film he acknowledges that Superman was brought to Earth. He knows Superman is a space orphan.
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Oct 20, 2017 17:01
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Thomas Wayne did not awkwardly groan "YOU'RE.... LETTING... HIM.... KILL... MARTHA. SAVE.... MARTHA" There's about a hundred ways they could have done that scene that would have gotten the point across better. I don't know why people are surprised that audiences focused on their moms having the same name because the film 100% focuses on the name, repeatedly. It overshadows everything else.
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https://twitter.com/ProfessorEmily/status/921193213712588800 lol geek culture
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Roth posted:What did he realize about himself? That he was about to become a murderer
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Roth posted:BvS is true capekino I dont know what this word means. it appears to be a 4chan thing? I was just making a joke about Batman paraphrasing Cheney in the movie. ImpAtom posted:Yes, and earlier in the film he acknowledges that Superman was brought to Earth. He knows Superman is a space orphan. Fair enough, I don't remember the specific line your referencing though.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That he was about to become a murderer He had his eyes closed for the entire five hours of movie before that scene, I guess Can't blame him lol it was a bad movie
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That he was about to become a murderer About to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgkQS7q6sT0
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purple death ray posted:I don't know why people are surprised that audiences focused on their moms having the same name because the film 100% focuses on the name, repeatedly. It overshadows everything else. Someone during the scripting process (probably Goyer) must have gotten hung up on the fact that Batman and Superman‘s moms have the same name, and were determined to shoehorn that in there because of how “clever” it was, even if it distracts from the actual point of the scene and comes off as contrived and stupid.
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Guess I need to watch BvS again. (I enjoy it)
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That he was about to become a murderer In a movie where he didn't spend the entire run time planning to murder someone, this may have been powerful.
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Lol that video counts guys he kills a dream. THOUGHT CRIMEglitchwraith posted:In a movie where he didn't spend the entire run time planning to murder someone, this may have been powerful. Not sure I follow. Him deciding not to be a murderer without ever considering murder would be more powerful than realizing it at the moment he's about to commit his assassination? MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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I'd post her paper but it's $19 on JSTOR. Here's the beginning. 
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teagone posted:Both Catwoman and Superman IV are entertainingly bad. Schumacher's Batman films, now, those are fun.
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Catwoman is a pretty miserable experience to watch
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MacheteZombie posted:Not sure I follow. Him deciding not to be a murderer without ever considering murder would be more powerful than realizing it at the moment he's about to commit his assassination? "This guy is too dangerous. I gotta murder him." "Martha..." "Oh my god! I was about to murder that guy! Like my parents where murdered!" I'm simplifying for comedic effect, but the shift in his motives comes so suddenly and simply, you gotta wonder why Batman, master detective driven by the murder of his parents, hadn't considered that angle already.
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He might be he World’s Greatest Detective, but can he discover empathy and compassion? Or will he need a little help from a Man of Steel with Heart of Gold?
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Those were legitimate self defense
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It's not even the Martha that stops him. That makes him pause, but mostly just to angrily shout at Superman about why he said it and so Lois has time to run in and give the disarming exposition.
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When I defend myself, I make sure to crash my cars into theirs, and then drag it by a tow cable for several dozen yards. I also brand them if they survive so they get killed in jail.
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That's your right as an American. It's like they say in the Bible. Thou shalt something something sevenfold revenge.
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Roth posted:When I defend myself, I make sure to crash my cars into theirs, and then drag it by a tow cable for several dozen yards. Dudes were about to fire a rocket launcher at him Lex Luthor killed those brand guys Every kill of those PMCs was justified and necessary, good and clean
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Roth posted:When I defend myself, I make sure to crash my cars into theirs, and then drag it by a tow cable for several dozen yards. Justice League will probably retcon that, though, so that Batman has learned how to be DC Editorial Board Status Quo Batman.
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glitchwraith posted:"This guy is too dangerous. I gotta murder him." He didn't consider it earlier because he was blinded by his fear and rage. Alfred tries to talk him off the cliff several times. It took Batman coming face to face with his fear before realizing the folly of it. In the first clip below Bruce ends the conversation with the "20 years in gotham how many good guys are left, how many stayed that way?" line without realizing he's slipped over to being a bad guy. Almost assassinating superman and contextualizing it with his own past trauma forces him to realize he's the baddie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNzV6QMog&t=80s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXYq2Twn8Lg Aphrodite posted:It's not even the Martha that stops him. That makes him pause, but mostly just to angrily shout at Superman about why he said it and so Lois has time to run in and give the disarming exposition. The Martha line definitely stops him dead in his tracks and you see the gears turning in his head right before it flashes back to the alley scene, like the very name Martha haunts him. He doesn't quite get the actual context of Martha until Lois spells it out for him.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Those were legitimate self defense Yes, the man sitting in a car unaware of the man in the tank was clearly a threat to the man in the tank. The tank driver had no other recourse but to crash into him. My favorite bit about this scene is that it happens after Batman places a tracking device on the truck shipping the kryptonite he's after, showing that his plan all along was to figure out where it was going to be stored. So, him flipping cars over and machine gunning down goons is completely counter to his goal. In fact, we later see that the truck he's tracking is so damaged that the tracker is hanging onto a sliver of twisted metal. MacheteZombie posted:He didn't consider it earlier because he was blinded by his fear and rage. Alfred tries to talk him off the cliff several times. It took Batman coming face to face with his fear before realizing the folly of it. In the first clip below Bruce ends the conversation with the "20 years in gotham how many good guys are left, how many stayed that way?" line without realizing he's slipped over to being a bad guy. Almost assassinating superman and contextualizing it with his own past trauma forces him to realize he's the baddie. I get that. The movie actually does a decent job of showing how broken Batman has become and his motives for being so bloodthirsty. Which is why I don't buy that "Martha" would have been sufficient to stay his hand. The whole reason Bruce dresses as a bat is because of his parent's murder. It's safe to assume that is literally always on his mind. If that core motivation didn't stop him from planning Superman's assassination, I don't know why it would at the point of doing the deed. glitchwraith fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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PMCs are like nazis, you can just kill them and it doesn't even count.
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Batman might break vigilante laws, but he follows stand your ground laws.
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glitchwraith posted:Yes, the man sitting in a car unaware of the man in the tank was clearly a threat to the man in the tank. The tank driver had no other recourse but to crash into him. I think his plan was to intercept the shipment and the tracker was a backup if the truck got away. Aphrodite posted:PMCs are like nazis, you can just kill them and it doesn't even count. The MCU uses that logic all the time.
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Aphrodite posted:PMCs are like nazis, you can just kill them and it doesn't even count. Unironically yes The first thing these guys do in the film is slaughter an African village. gently caress em In any event, the Batman of Justice league will be a completely different character in much the same way Captain America is a completely different character in The First Avenger, Avengers, and Winter Soldier. (His characterization in CW is consistent with Winter Soldier). Just accept it. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Aphrodite posted:PMCs are like nazis, you can just kill them and it doesn't even count. Accurate
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glitchwraith posted:I get that. The movie actually does a decent job of showing how broken Batman has become and his motives for being so bloodthirsty. Which is why I don't buy that "Martha" would have been sufficient to stay his hand. The whole reason Bruce dresses as a bat is because of his parent's murder. It's safe to assume that is literally always on his mind. If that core motivation didn't stop him from planning Superman's assassination, I don't know why it would at the point of doing the deed. Fair enough. It worked for me it's just very over the top dramatic. 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Unironically yes "Your honor, I had no choice but to kill that man to defend myself. Also, that fucker had it coming." I mean, I don't really disagree with your sentiment, but it is rather counter to your previous assertion. MacheteZombie posted:I think his plan was to intercept the shipment and the tracker was a backup if the truck got away. Could be, Batman is known for his backup plans, but if that was the case, you think he'd try to keep the damage more focused on the front so that if they did get away, like they did, his backup plan would still be viable. My take, though, is that the writers wanted a big, violent chase scene, but didn't want Batman to have the kryptonite yet, so wrote in the tracking device in to explain how he gets it later, without realizing how little sense the violent chase scene now makes.
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glitchwraith posted:Could be, Batman is known for his backup plans, but if that was the case, you think he'd try to keep the damage more focused on the front so that if they did get away, like they did, his backup plan would still be viable. His backup plan worked though 
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Phylodox posted:Someone during the scripting process (probably Goyer) must have gotten hung up on the fact that Batman and Superman‘s moms have the same name, and were determined to shoehorn that in there because of how “clever” it was, even if it distracts from the actual point of the scene and comes off as contrived and stupid. I've been consuming various DC content my entire life, and that movie was the first time I ever had the thought "huh, they are both named Martha, that's weird."
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glitchwraith posted:I get that. The movie actually does a decent job of showing how broken Batman has become and his motives for being so bloodthirsty. Which is why I don't buy that "Martha" would have been sufficient to stay his hand. The whole reason Bruce dresses as a bat is because of his parent's murder. It's safe to assume that is literally always on his mind. If that core motivation didn't stop him from planning Superman's assassination, I don't know why it would at the point of doing the deed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMceD_O3olA This man doesn't justify his use of force by, like, citing Harold Koh's writings on drone warfare.
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