Obfuscation posted:

The expansion feels bit too hard compared to the other content. I realize that they want to balance ultimate for characters that have been farming at max level for a while, but it's bit silly at lower difficulties. My infiltrator went from sleepwalking though veteran act 4 to dying all the time in the expansion and then back to really easy in elite.

Frustrated posted:

My impression is that the skills and gear stack with each other which puts me at 102% so 2% over, And I'm assuming the auras are there own separate pool that just go off on timers in addition to my attacks or do they take precedence and prevent another skill? Finally, I'm guessing that the devotions work as an extra proc, especially those put on my skills where the skill has to go off to activate it, but does putting a devotion on my left click attack make it go into the first pool?

I'm at 193% attack speed so even the skills that are procs on procs go off pretty often attacking at 3.8 shots a second, but I could shift some skill points around if I'm way over the cap.

Dahbadu posted:

I've been playing a lot of PoE recently (prior to the GD expansion releasing), and to perform well into the end-game, you arguably have to build/tune your character to put out an insane amount of damage. In other words, PoE builds often turn into "the best defense is a good offense."

In this game, which is one of my criticisms of it, good builds often turn into tanks of some kind -- i.e. "the best defense is a good defense."

If you're dying, I would suggest looking at ways to incorporate multiple of the following:
- a ton of spell-based life leech; if weapon life leech, then also incorporate reduction mechanics for resist all or life leech resistance
- a ton of health regen
- an item that gives +max resistances; e.g. 80% vs 84% resistance translates into 20% less damage taken
- a skill/effect that reduces enemy damage, such as Warcry
- use an "invulnerability" skill, such as max Blast Shield or Mirror of E
- a block character that has a 100% block cooldown -- this is only available for Soldiers

Dahbadu posted:

I was playing around with my spell-based Necro last night and I removed Soul Siphon from his build. I replaced it with a max Ill Omen. Holy poo poo that skill is good. It's fire and forget, spreads like Bloody Pox, ticks a bunch over its duration, has a cooldown (which increases proc chance), and makes poo poo run away. Put Wendigo's Mark on it and enjoy all that life leech!

Goonfriend rear end Commander/Haggis was running it on his Death Knight last night, and he said it works really good for a melee character too.

Cerepol posted:

One thing Grim Dawn does over POE is have shittons of different damage types with the mitigation being spread among more resists.

PoE has the 3 elements, Fire Lit Cold, Chaos and Phys with dots being Bleeding (Phys) Poison (Chaos) and Burning (Fire).
Getting max resists in the 3 elements + a Phys mitigation of your choice makes you fairly tanky in Poe assuming to do the work of building up your health. Chaos is rarer as a damage type and they usually don't expect people to tank it or have maxed chaos resist in my experience.


In Grim Dawn there are 7 magical elements (fire ice electric acid vitality aether and chaos
As well as 2 physical elements piercing and normal physical
Plus all of the above (minus piercing which has a strange analogue in bleeding) has a dot type. With those dots having a separate resist that combines with the base resist to provide more mitigation.

They've made themselves an equation with a lot of variables when trying to tune end-game content. The question is what are they expecting players to hit? Is it maxed every resists including dots? Or just base resists, plus further DR from skills? Definitely lots of health as in every arpg.

Another interesting decision is the one to make each armour hit randomly target a specific location of your character. Making armour an insane proposition for mitigating only normal physical damage.


either way I quite like this game but it can be fairly obtuse in how/why you are dying. And considering the smaller player base the information available is definitely lacking.


I am also curious why they didn't bother to do n overlay map. It's fairly annoying and I don't remember if Titan Quest had one or not.

Tom Gorman posted:

I started an Inquisitor as my second character after leveling my Necro to 50

I didn't think it would be possible to level faster than the Necro. But spamming Word of Pain on everything actually does seem faster. I'm 41 and still haven't picked a second mastery. Either Tactician or Purifier, still undecided.

This game is great, I should've started it a long time ago.

victrix posted:

Armor was wildly obtuse in tq and remains so in gd for no good reason I can determine

Dahbadu posted:

Hey guys. I'm streaming with ssmagus right now on twitch. Feel freel to jump in, ask questions, whatever.

https://www.twitch.tv/dahbadu

Stokes posted:

Thanks for the distraction from the Cubs getting their rear end handed to them.

Devorum posted:

So if we've never managed to stick to a character long enough to beat the game...do you still recommend using the Grim Goon characters to skip to Ultimate?

Obfuscation posted:

The expansion feels bit too hard compared to the other content. I realize that they want to balance ultimate for characters that have been farming at max level for a while, but it's bit silly at lower difficulties. My infiltrator went from sleepwalking though veteran act 4 to dying all the time in the expansion and then back to really easy in elite.

Dahbadu posted:

OK guys, here's Grim Goon & Goonette v2.0: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BybuaGc1iPrpdjNoQWRvTXVPRHM/view?usp=sharing

Follow the instructions to have two "blank" level 67 character, starting on Ultimate. They each have a special collection of gear that's both not OP and is tested to work as a viable on any build. They also have a collection of components, in case you're planning on using a certain component in your build.

The characters have fully completed Veteran and Elite Difficulty, but haven't yet done anything in Ultimate. You'll have all the skill points and devotions available for a level 67 + 4 attribute/skill points from quests in earlier difficulties.

If you're looking to start over, I *strongly* suggest using these characters. Just the general-purpose gear selection may be fun to test out.

Tell me if you have any problems or questions.

P.S.: I'd also like to thank ssmagus for helping me with the character file last night. Without his help, this wouldn't have been possible.

Heithinn Grasida posted:

I am playing a tanky tactician and had a similar experience, though perhaps less dramatic. The expansion was a lot of fun to play and required careful positioning and well considered use of my skills, but death was rare. In elite, all the way to act 3, my health bar simply does not move from full.

Of course, my first 50 levels were all spent on the masteries and core offensive skills, then the next 15 were spent on defenses. Similarly with devotions, I didn't hit the big money defensive constellations like obelisk and shieldmaiden until elite. Maybe if I had rushed for zero shield recovery by the time I reached the expansion it also would have felt trivial, but even the fact that it requires a heavier focus on defense in veteran than most of the core campaign in elite suggests that it's a little overtuned.

Dahbadu posted:

Hey guys. I'm streaming with ssmagus right now on twitch. Feel freel to jump in, ask questions, whatever.

https://www.twitch.tv/dahbadu

Kheldarn posted:

"Let's go fight this crazy rear end boss on Hardcore and I'm dead!"

deep dish peat moss posted:

Now that I'm getting in to late-game stuff and understanding how builds/gear works, a lot of the gear really frustrates me. Most end-game legendaries seem to be designed for specific builds or skills (and it's cool that there are a ton of them for all kinds of different builds) but they're all themed really hard around that skill and emphasize its strengths instead of being well-balanced pieces of gear. So you have stuff like - if you need a bunch of fire resist and want it on a ring, it has to come from a fire-damage caster-based ring. If you need big chunks of health it's only going to come from melee-oriented physical damage Soldier-themed gear. Something with +Elemental Damage is probably going to have Inquisitor skills on it, +Fire damage is probably going to have Demo skills on it, etc.

Is it just expected that I have a lot of "wasted" stats that don't apply to me if I want to balance out my resists and get some health?

Awesome! posted:

is this like poe where good rares are usually bis or do you end up wearing mostly legendary/set stuff

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Yawgmoth posted:

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