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Pirate Radar posted:I'm pretty sure Chinese ammunition is already as cheap as it can be. Ammo costs get expensive when you're buying enough for whole divisions, and since it's relatively adjustable compared to the fixed costs of bases and people it's a simple way to save money. Chinese government produced ammunition and arms are perfectly acceptable in my experience.
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ladron posted:how can bullets be so expensive when everything else is cheap? is it because they can't really cut corners by using cheap metal or less gunpowder? legit curious. Everything about equipping, maintaining, and outfitting small arms gets expensive as an "always ready" asset. Quick costs: 1) Having the guns 2) Keeping the guns clean(and free of rust) 3) Training on how to use one 4) More training on how to use one 5) Ammo for all the shooting 6) More ammo because now they're not lovely at shooting, but you have to make sure 7) Range maintenance - Not big, but replacing targets needs to happen after some point 8) Storing all this when they're not using it because China will never trust a battalion with guns unless they have someone to shoot that's not themselves It's really one of those "hidden cost" things, and even if you discount the U.S. contracting overpay bullshit, the military still spends a stupid high amount of money in maintenance. Hell, there's a critical infrastructure computer somewhere that still uses 5.25" floppys and the old AT keyboard connectors, and they pay six figures per part when replacing something in it, I'll bet.
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mikerock posted:Chinese government produced ammunition and arms are perfectly acceptable in my experience. Cool! How does Norinco ammo compare to other brands? Is it steel cased? Laquered?
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Pirate Radar posted:Cool! How does Norinco ammo compare to other brands? Is it steel cased? Laquered? its all pig iron and lead oxide.
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Chinese produced small arms are actually considered quite good quality, especially for the price. Those sold on the civilian market (outside of the US, as they’re now blanket banned for import to the US with a few exceptions, such as for Shotguns) are known for sometimes having poor fit and finish, and some runs having things like receivers that aren’t tempered as well as they should be, but being quite functional. Supposedly the actual military use weapons are made better; makes sense because if ever you’re liable to get a bullet in the back of the head for skimping on quality in manufacturing if would probably be with the military. Design wise they have some interesting things going on with their domestic weapons; a lot of their stuff is copies of the old Soviet bloc standbys, AK and SKS in a few variations, but they’ve got some original designs, like the Type 81, which is arguably a noted improvement on the AK, and their new QBZ, which are a sort of mimicry of the modern bullpups favored by a lot of nations these days, and with a proprietary cartridge which is theoretically an improvement on the standard issues rounds in every other nation these days, but is reportedly overall rather uncomfortable to use and poorly designed. As usual Gun Jesus has some applicable material: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRvV4v1FjAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYoDHe8Kv4U
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Fantastic Flyer posted:How do Chinese soldiers stack up to the rest of the world, anyway? Are they given halfway-decent training or is just marching in formation and shoving civilians? Are their special forces worth writing home about? A relative of mine did a stint in the PLA and I did a write-up on the things he told me. The gist is that they are in no way a professional army and only a ridiculously small percentage of soldiers have any idea how to fight an opponent who isn't one of their unarmed countrymen.
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peak debt posted:There's that classic Taiwanese "lunchbox" where they jam rice into bamboo and that is always so solid you basically have to take bites out of it with your teeth. So this is maybe deliberate? If we try hard enough, the human brain can make sense of almost anything. But for now, let's settle on the conclusion that this MRE is poo poo of the worst quality.
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My dad has a Chinese AK and it never exploded even once when I shot it, so.Pirate Radar posted:another in 1991. China, like many observers, was surprised at exactly how quickly Iraq's army folded under the American invasion, and since Chinese equipment and doctrine was broadly similar to Iraq's at the time, the PLA became concerned that, in the event of a conflict with the US or a US ally, their forces would be at a disadvantage. The Gulf War is a really underrated conflict in history/political discussions. People forget Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world and was considered a serious regional power and the US completely annihilated them in a few days. The US winning wasn't a huge shock, but the fact that the US won so quickly and easily was. The previous major war was Vietnam, which did not go well, and so Iraq was a huge wake-up call that the US was going to win any conventional war it got in. Which is one reason why every war the US has been involved in since has been mostly unconventional. The basic facts haven't changed--no military on Earth stands a chance, so they've instead been trying to develop other means. China's anti-satellite weapon program is all about that.
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Also I think part of why the Chinese military is, by all counts, poo poo is because the Party is nervous about the idea of a powerful, well-led military that might decide the Party leadership is a problem.
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The dust on those rations is definitely some sort of metal dust - I used to see that grainy junk on the electronics I bought from Shenzhen all the time. Never figured out what it was, but that same crap was all over my bulk purchases. Would not surprise me at all if they were packed by hand on some line that had been angle grinding machine parts earlier that day.
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This movie looks terrible, just awful! But China somehow made it worse.  I was looking for a movie to take my daughter to. Stumbled across the latter horror. I thought it must be a Chinese movie, because the design is just so bad, and in a similar way to pretty much all Chinese CG ever. Nope. They just decided that something between a gray alien and the Joker was the perfect look to sell the main character in this film. This poster reminds me of those drooling baby supermarket ads in the Beijing subway a few years back. And poo poo like this is one big reason Chinese will never be a major pop-culture exporter.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also I think part of why the Chinese military is, by all counts, poo poo is because the Party is nervous about the idea of a powerful, well-led military that might decide the Party leadership is a problem. Historical precedence suggests it's less of a "might" and more of an "eventually" I think.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also I think part of why the Chinese military is, by all counts, poo poo is because the Party is nervous about the idea of a powerful, well-led military that might decide the Party leadership is a problem. xi realized that, why do you think he kicked out so many people and reorganized its command?
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In their defense, at least they got rid of the Dreamworks face.
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Grand Fromage posted:My dad has a Chinese AK and it never exploded even once when I shot it, so. 
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VideoTapir posted:And poo poo like this is one big reason Chinese will never be a major pop-culture exporter. ...For once this may not actually be a china problem, might just be a make quick cash off poo poo films for kids problem, Have you seen The Jim Henson Company/Columbia Kids Christmas film they're making GBS threads out this year?
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Discussion of Chinese weapons gives me an excuse to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCva_GslcxE
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Pound_Coin posted:...For once this may not actually be a china problem, might just be a make quick cash off poo poo films for kids problem, Have you seen The Jim Henson Company/Columbia Kids Christmas film they're making GBS threads out this year? That the movie itself looks terrible is obviously not a China problem. But that Chinese-market (and apparently ONLY Chinese-market) poster sure is. Take a look at this. http://list.youku.com/category/show/c_177_a_大&%2338470;_s_1_d_1_p_3.html?spm=a2h1n.8251845.0.0 There's a couple of things that keep popping up, particularly with the human characters. First, that weird, polished-turd shading on most of the 3D shows. (Boonie Bears is a big offender here.) It makes things sort of look like they're 10 years older than they really are; except that other aspects of it don't. They somehow managed to achieve that look in that poster. Then there's the eyes. Sure, they're imitating Japanese or American animation, or both. But in a lot of cases they're overdoing it. They aren't designing faces around having bigger eyes, and they're often centering them wrong; and a lot of the ones that don't take the big eyes too far place them strangely, too. This seriously messes with the visual appeal of a character. This is deviantart-level design. It's something that shows up again and again in Chinese animation; about the only time you don't see one of these problems is when you've got a show that's got more or less flat shading and textures (like that one with the robot planes) or which rips off its style directly from a foreign source (like that one with the robot planes). Everyone copies. I'm okay with China copying. It's when the superficial elements are copied, but the ones that actually make a design appealing are messed with that it doesn't work. No, wait...I'll give them Xi Yang Yang. That's got a distinctive (?) style that, while not perfect, does not suck. Second-tier American animation is a completely different kind of terrible. VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Bajaj posted:I applaud this use of Chinglish in my head an Indian man is reading this
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Its not that its monsterous, tis just chua b d, why bother making the face not look like they threw the features onto a blank area on the front of the head randomly? its not like children are art critics or in any way important.
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This ad hurt the feelings of the Chinese people
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Bajaj posted:This ad hurt the feelings of the Chinese people
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I met a guy from Vancouver last night who used to be a TCM doctor. He even worked in China, even though he claims everyone at his hospital spoke English and so he never learned Chinese. I asked him about the water thing and he just sighed. e: I don't think he was Chinese, either, although I could be wrong.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:I met a guy from Vancouver last night who used to be a TCM doctor. He even worked in China, even though he claims everyone at his hospital spoke English and so he never learned Chinese. Is the hiring process anything like English teachers? If I just show up with a song in my heart and a hastily printed online certification in my hand, can I start handing out the hot water and centipede paste? (The centipede paste is something I discovered in Korea, so I might be able to start a lucrative new trend.)
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Paladin posted:Is the hiring process anything like English teachers? If I just show up with a song in my heart and a hastily printed online certification in my hand, can I start handing out the hot water and centipede paste? I'd love to read the warning label on a tube of centipede paste. WARNING: VAGINAL USE ONLY!
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Paladin posted:Is the hiring process anything like English teachers? If I just show up with a song in my heart and a hastily printed online certification in my hand, can I start handing out the hot water and centipede paste? It might even be less selective because they may not care if you're not a pretty white girl.
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McGavin posted:I'd love to read the warning label on a tube of centipede paste. Was a little old lady with a tub full of live, angry looking centipedes who would mash them up on the spot for you. Oddly enough, it was one of the few things I encountered that involved no claims re: male virility. Centipede paste is for arthritis/sore joints/carpal tunnel.
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Paladin posted:Centipede paste is for arthritis/sore joints/carpal tunnel. so is cat wine
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Literally right now in D&D goons are explaining to me that China makes lots of solar panels so they must be good and this is the perfect gif to see alongside that discussion
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I was looking up mountains on wikipedia and ended up on this mountain that's the tri-border point between russia, mongola and china. there's a glacial lake there that's rated 5 As by china. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_AAAAA-rated_tourist_attractions no other place in the world has attractions with so many As 
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Fojar38 posted:Literally right now in D&D goons are explaining to me that China makes lots of solar panels so they must be good and this is the perfect gif to see alongside that discussion they do make a lot of solar farms and they could work really well but most aren't connected to the grid
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All the generation capacity is where people aren't. It's a non-solution until we attain superconductivity.
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ladron posted:in my head an Indian man is reading this I ain't touching this one.
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Ceciltron posted:All the generation capacity is where people aren't. It's a non-solution until we attain superconductivity. it could and will brighten the lives of people who live outside the grid, but they probably need smaller solutions than * -farm. the chinese population on the eastern seaboard could probably do with some windmills in the ocean, but making those work is hard
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Boiled Water posted:they do make a lot of solar farms and they could work really well Even worse than that is a lot of them are something like 10% actual solar panels (around the outside edges of the farm) and the rest are fake. That way you can get a guy with a drone to take a lot of photos and brag on China Daily that the mainland is leading the way in solar generation. Also, a lot of their actual panels are a generation or two behind because western companies are making them back home using automation and are also tired of China stealing their designs and trying to put them out of business.
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Blistex posted:Even worse than that is a lot of them are something like 10% actual solar panels (around the outside edges of the farm) and the rest are fake. That way you can get a guy with a drone to take a lot of photos and brag on China Daily that the mainland is leading the way in solar generation. lol
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