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Fojar38 posted:It matters if you care about the solar industry and about advances in green technology. I thought that this thread was about climate? Stop building solar panels, you're gonna hinder the building of solar panels! Fojar38 posted:Ah yes, the speeches of glorious leader Comrade Xi said a thing, and once a thing is said that thing is inevitable, especially for the magical long-thinking Chinese. You have no clue what you're talking about. you have no idea what china is doing Fojar38 posted:lol if you think that they will do this. yeah well lol if you dont Fojar38 posted:And making a good EV isn't as simple as buying a car and swapping out the engine. How do you not realize that? Tell me why it's too hard for China. Fojar38 posted:People who buy things are 100% rational, got it. "prices don't matter, people will buy anything!" wait i thought you said prices were the reason non-chinese companies died
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MiddleOne posted:Solar panels are not loving consumer goods, they're expensive rear end long-term investments which are bought based on their tangible long-term returns. Dude he is literally not even talking about the solar panels that exist in our reality, he is arguing about things he presumes are real based on his incomplete digestion of random factoids "I heard China sux, therefore China is sux in everything forever always  "
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MiddleOne posted:Solar panels are not loving consumer goods, they're expensive rear end long-term investments which are bought based on their tangible long-term returns. They can be consumer goods, or they can be large purchases by a company or organization. Either way, the idea that they are being bought therefore they must be worth the price is a fallacy. I mean I guess if all you're concerned about is your bottom line as the seller, sure, but as the buyer, you might save money but produce less electricity and have your panels wear out faster.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:07
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I bought a six pack of solar panels at the corner mart today, gonna consume them for lunch
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Fojar38 posted:They can be consumer goods, or they can be large purchases by a company or organization. Either way, the idea that they are being bought therefore they must be worth the price is a fallacy. I mean I guess if all you're concerned about is your bottom line as the seller, sure, but as the buyer, you might save money but produce less electricity and have your panels wear out faster. yo theres a way to figure this stuff out its called RoI
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treerat posted:yo theres a way to figure this stuff out e: Obviously the quality of any product can be faked, so maybe these Chinese panels are poo poo. Of course it might be that their competitors panels are equally lovely, or worse, not like we haven't seen a certain country known for quality automobiles prove that a great reputation could just mean you're really good at covering poo poo up. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Oct 22, 2017 19:20
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They wouldn't have ever cornered the worldwide market if that was the case.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:24
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China makes two thirds of the world's panels. The quality runs the gamut. Their high end panels are no worse than anyone else's. If you buy from some no-name manufacturer assembling C-grade cell rejects in a converted shoe factory then you will get the panel that you paid for, which is fine. edit: the quality is not faked if you buy from any reputable manufacturer, of which China has many.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:27
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Fojar just has this weird obsession with The Evils of The Chinese. Seriously, it comes up in like half his posts
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Maybe he's conflating general Chinese corruption with the solar industry. Like, he sees some corrupt governor who needs to hit his solar installation quota buy some poo poo panels from his buddy which get installed by his other buddy and the whole system is designed to look good on paper for his masters in Beijing while swindling a few bucks, not produce anything of value to society. Maybe fojar sees this and thinks wow they don't even know how to build a solar plant because he doesn't get what's going on. Maybe he just bought some shoddy consumer goods from China once and is mad.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:39
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MiddleOne posted:They wouldn't have ever cornered the worldwide market if that was the case.
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MiddleOne posted:They wouldn't have ever cornered the worldwide market if that was the case. What if I told you that it's possible to have a giant monopoly and also mass produce poor products at the same time? Gum posted:Fojar just has this weird obsession with The Evils of The Chinese. Seriously, it comes up in like half his posts It's not my fault that people seem to be extra willing to accept Chinese propaganda over any other authoritarian propaganda.
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Fojar38 posted:What if I told you that it's possible to have a giant monopoly and also mass produce poor products at the same time? What if I told you that you don't really grasp any concepts related to markets, economies or global trade in general?
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fojar shut up and go plant some trees
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MiddleOne posted:What if I told you that you don't really grasp any concepts related to markets, economies or global trade in general? Well known real life market principles such as "If a thing is selling more than its competition the only explanation is that it's a high quality product." China is the world's largest producer of lots of things aside from solar panels. Are we going to apply this as well to, say, Chinese steel? Chinese pork? What about cars? China is the world's largest manufacturer of cars, therefore Chinese cars must be high quality, right? the old ceremony posted:fojar shut up and go plant some trees I'm already nude I'm doing my part. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Oct 22, 2017 22:01
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Fojar is stupid but China cannot be trusted with any "official" figures and stats they release. hth
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Xeom posted:Pick up an instrument, gently caress your girlfriend/boyfriend, read some great literature, do whatever it is the gently caress you've been wanting to do. I learned piano as a kid but then grew to loathe it; I never had a girlfriend and if things are so bad as they seem, I don't want to add someone else I will have to defend in the collapse; and I have no dreams. Xeom posted:Stop playing video games and buying useless poo poo you don't need, stop wasting time. Those are literally the only things that bring me joy, or at least numb the despair.
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You know what honestly gnaws at me? My father is CONSTANTLY going to climate-related conferences. At least one a year! And he says NOTHING to me, or my mom, nothing. My mom goes with him but doesn't understand English so she has no idea if the people around her are despairing or not. I wish I had the courage to ask him what the hell is going on but I can't. And from the little he does say, apparently they think they can cope just fine, or at the very least "this will only affect poor people". What kind of charade are these people living in?
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Fojar38 posted:I'm already nude I'm doing my part.
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aof i will be your internet girlfriend if that makes you happy, we're in different hemispheres so you don't have to defend me and we never have to touch each other but once a month i'll send you a photo of an egg. you need something to live for
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the old ceremony posted:aof i will be your internet girlfriend if that makes you happy, we're in different hemispheres so you don't have to defend me and we never have to touch each other but once a month i'll send you a photo of an egg. you need something to live for No thank you. Nice of you to offer, though.
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AceOfFlames posted:...I don't want to add someone else I will have to defend in the collapse... The world's not going to instantly turn into Mad Max, even if things get really bad where you are you're likely going to live or die by your social connections
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AceOfFlames posted:You know what honestly gnaws at me? My father is CONSTANTLY going to climate-related conferences. At least one a year! And he says NOTHING to me, or my mom, nothing. My mom goes with him but doesn't understand English so she has no idea if the people around her are despairing or not. I wish I had the courage to ask him what the hell is going on but I can't. And from the little he does say, apparently they think they can cope just fine, or at the very least "this will only affect poor people". What kind of charade are these people living in? Ask him mate.. He might be putting on a brave front & secretly be making GBS threads himself.
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Blockade posted:The world's not going to instantly turn into Mad Max, even if things get really bad where you are you're likely going to live or die by your social connections If things get that bad I don't want to live anyway.
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AceOfFlames posted:You know what honestly gnaws at me? My father is CONSTANTLY going to climate-related conferences. At least one a year! And he says NOTHING to me, or my mom, nothing. My mom goes with him but doesn't understand English so she has no idea if the people around her are despairing or not. I wish I had the courage to ask him what the hell is going on but I can't. And from the little he does say, apparently they think they can cope just fine, or at the very least "this will only affect poor people". What kind of charade are these people living in? Sounds like a little less secretive version of the plot to 2012. They have some kind of ark project going on? 
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AceOfFlames posted:If things get that bad I don't want to live anyway. If you're not even that interested in living then why do you spend so much time freaking out about how bad the future is?
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ChairMaster posted:If you're not even that interested in living then why do you spend so much time freaking out about how bad the future is? Because I don't want to die in agony. If I wasn't afraid of getting institutionalized, arrested, or just losing my job and family by association, I'd be hardcore campaigning for free euthanasia for anyone who requests it.
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Well most people who get shot by automatic weaponry die pretty quick, why not just live your drat life and then when everything falls apart and your country goes full-on fascist or gets invaded by one of the other ones that beat you to it just get shot when the time comes? Why spend so much time worrying about it?
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ChairMaster posted:Well most people who get shot by automatic weaponry die pretty quick, why not just live your drat life and then when everything falls apart and your country goes full-on fascist or gets invaded by one of the other ones that beat you to it just get shot when the time comes? Why spend so much time worrying about it? For the most part I don't. Every so often (like now) though, the realization just makes me essentially grieve for our potential as a species. We could have expanded out towards the stars. We could have had a perfect society. Instead, we have this.
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AceOfFlames posted:For the most part I don't. Every so often (like now) though, the realization just makes me essentially grieve for our potential as a species. We could have expanded out towards the stars. We could have had a perfect society. Instead, we have this. Immortality wouldn't have happened early enough for any of us to get to see that anyways. And you woulda been miserable anyways. Accept what you got and find a way to enjoy it, that's what everyone does. e: also this is the climate change thread not e/n so I guess this is off topic.
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Maybe instead of crying about it realize that climate change isn't this binary "we win" or "we lose" thing. Like even if we're still 95% likely to go extinct, there's both a 5% chance we don't and a lot more of the food chain to try to preserve on the way out. Depressing yourself into nihilism just gives you a lazy out to not do anything, but things can always get worse. When all of the papers come out saying a runaway greenhouse effect is a certainty, then you can give up entirely.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Maybe instead of crying about it realize that climate change isn't this binary "we win" or "we lose" thing. Like even if we're still 95% likely to go extinct, there's both a 5% chance we don't Right. We either go extinct or we don't. Two possibilities. Hence, binary.
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I think that basically no matter how bad it gets there will still be a sortof minimum viable civilization that makes it through, even if we turn into mole*-people. I mean hell I barely leave the apartment already. As such, basically any kind of scientific research or technological development that can better the the people and planet that remain are worth working on. *geothermal vr porn dungeon
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Oct 23, 2017 01:20
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it's becoming clear that all any of you are actually worried about is a future without computers
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the old ceremony posted:it's becoming clear that all any of you are actually worried about is a future without computers how can we post on the forums without computers
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Humans aren't going extinct without extinction of phytoplankton, but anyone who thinks that the only difference when poo poo gets really bad will be that we won't have computers or access to the luxurious extravagance of convenience and technology is fooling themselves into forgetting that the planet and almost every country does not have the resources to feed its own people without those things. The only reason people won't be dying of hunger for a while is because they're going to be dying from violence first.
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the old ceremony posted:it's becoming clear that all any of you are actually worried about is a future without computers AND anime. tyvm
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