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Tolkien minority posted:To be fair every single good album is now called aoty when it drops to the point where the phrase has no meaning so little meaning that several people will let them know how little meaning it has and how much they're not really enjoying themselves, relatively.
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Oct 22, 2017 05:57
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Because something inherently can’t be immediately classic. The word classic implies standing up to a test of time. Having lasting significance or worth. Being able to endure initial hype or impressions. This thread is terrible when it comes to applying AOTY or classic status. People conflate “I really like this new poo poo! I’m excited about it!” With “this is, by far, AOTY!” It’s hilarious to read comments that come on the tail of a release and then towards the end of the year when they don’t even appear on lists or years later when they get trashed, like with Pablo (or even worse, MBDTF which is actually classic, entire Rock skit included). People in here have poo poo on both of those albums but if you were to read posts right when they came out you’d think they were the second coming of Christ. We live in an age of extremes. Something is either the best or it sucks. There’s no gradient. No just pretty good/solid (like the most recent Tribe album, which was really solid but won’t be on any lists 10 or even 5 years from now, come at me). I know a lot of y’all have me on mute so I’ll just wait until Alansmithe says the same thing and get’s empty quoted for a page.
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Oct 22, 2017 07:23
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GoldfishStew posted:Because something inherently can’t be immediately classic. Even if it's just a classic to me personally, it's still that.
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Oct 22, 2017 07:32
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You can really, really like an album, that’s fine. But you can’t change the definition of words to fit you feelings. You’re just being the exact type of dude I’m talking about. Though I agree I think drat is a potential classic. someone was walking around playing it tonight in Burbank and I was eating food and smiling.
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Oct 22, 2017 07:34
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I know I trashed Pablo the first time I heard it, but I kept listening to it and I'm glad I did because now it's easily one of my favorite albums of the last several years. Well, the 1.0 version at least. I have it on my phone because I'm not listening to that lovely polished version on Spotify. But I'm still listening to that regularly and that came out like a year and a half ago. I'd call that a classic, at least in my mind if it isn't to others. I think calling something "classic" has a lot to do with personal attachment and how much of an impact it makes on you/how long it stays with you. MBDTF absolutely is because I still listen to that regularly and that came out 7 years ago. It's one of those albums that never loses its luster no matter how many times I hear it. Well-made albums don't get bad with age.
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Oct 22, 2017 07:39
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Agree with everything even the 1.0 poo poo. I love that loving album. I don’t like the changes he made. MBDTF to me is a classic. Pablo I am still waiting on to make sure. I think ULB is one of the best songs I’ve ever heard. But there are some tracks on there I’m not sure will age well with me. drat I think will be classic. When it dropped, I would have said same about Tyler’s but, see, I don’t want to jump the gun. I could very well see myself downgrading that to very good in the next couple years. Time proves classics. It’s inherent in the word.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:07
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Marching Powder posted:i think it's funny that publications are scared to call something classic in case they look silly in retrospect. i think it's loving hilarious that someone on a message board can't say 'amazing! aoty!' without the usual dickheads pissing on their parade. the hesitation to call something good immediately has permeated all discussions within the community and it's sad / funny. That's not really the case though. That video's less "publications are scared to call things classic" and more "this album I really like got less arbitrary number reviews than I think so and i'm gonna whine about it". 9.5 is EXTREMELY high for pitchfork (and they weren't hesitant in giving MBDTF a 10 before GKMC was released). And Fantano gave TPaB a 10. Also The Source got poo poo for giving both Aquemini and Life After Death 5 stars (I think Illmatic as well, but I don't recall that firsthand). Also here dudes gush about albums all the time. Not sure if you remember but for awhile it was even a joke that every new album that came out would have people saying AOTY! or whatever. Also if dudes can be allowed to talk about how much they enjoy stuff, why can't people also be allowed to say how much they didn't enjoy something? Like I don't just like hearing people echo poo poo about stuff I like, I think it can be valuable to hear about poo poo that people don't like that I may enjoy. Like it's far more common in my experience that people on the internet think everyone has to like the same poo poo they do or it's a personal attack than dudes getting poo poo on for liking things. And as for being a classic, I don't see anything wrong with that being a designation based at least in part on time. Seeing if things hold up past your initial opinion, what kind of impact, etc have is all important. Not every great album has to be a classic. It doesn't make those albums any less good-there's albums I'd even say are "better" than some that I think are classics but aren't classics themselves.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:12
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As far as the new Tribe album goes, it has several really great tracks on it, but it's too long and some of the tracks are outright bad or at least nowhere near as entertaining to listen to as others on there. I still listen to a handful of songs on it, but listening to the whole thing is kind of a chore. It suffers from being a double album. I think had it been edited down a bit, it would definitely be a classic, but the album that came out was not.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:15
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Jesus Christ he really does ape the gently caress out of me it’s insane. I’m seriously on y’all’s mute because you believed some joke post that I hosed dolls? So loving whack.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:17
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:As far as the new Tribe album goes, it has several really great tracks on it, but it's too long and some of the tracks are outright bad or at least nowhere near as entertaining to listen to as others on there. I still listen to a handful of songs on it, but listening to the whole thing is kind of a chore. It suffers from being a double album. I think had it been edited down a bit, it would definitely be a classic, but the album that came out was not. 100%. Now, go read the posts that followed its release. That’s why you gotta give poo poo time to settle and see if it endures.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:19
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GoldfishStew posted:I know a lot of y’all have me on mute so I’ll just wait until Alansmithe says the same thing and get’s empty quoted for a page. GoldfishStew posted:Because something inherently can’t be immediately classic. The word classic implies standing up to a test of time. Having lasting significance or worth. Being able to endure initial hype or impressions. This thread is terrible when it comes to applying AOTY or classic status. People conflate “I really like this new poo poo! I’m excited about it!” With “this is, by far, AOTY!” It’s hilarious to read comments that come on the tail of a release and then towards the end of the year when they don’t even appear on lists or years later when they get trashed, like with Pablo (or even worse, MBDTF which is actually classic, entire Rock skit included). People in here have poo poo on both of those albums but if you were to read posts right when they came out you’d think they were the second coming of Christ. alansmithee posted:That's not really the case though. That video's less "publications are scared to call things classic" and more "this album I really like got less arbitrary number reviews than I think so and i'm gonna whine about it". 9.5 is EXTREMELY high for pitchfork (and they weren't hesitant in giving MBDTF a 10 before GKMC was released). And Fantano gave TPaB a 10. Also The Source got poo poo for giving both Aquemini and Life After Death 5 stars (I think Illmatic as well, but I don't recall that firsthand).
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Oct 22, 2017 08:21
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Lil B got stomped out and SGP put a curse on a bunch of people over Twitter and you all are effort posting about old albums. Smh
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Oct 22, 2017 08:48
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Lol yeah we are discussing classic albums and you dropping names of never-wills.
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Oct 22, 2017 08:50
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alansmithee posted:That's not really the case though. That video's less "publications are scared to call things classic" and more "this album I really like got less arbitrary number reviews than I think so and i'm gonna whine about it". That wasn't the point, the point was good kid maad city is pretty much a classic here and now and no one, not even kendrick, was prepared to come out and say it at the time. that's loving weird, and points to something that is pervasive in all rap communities like alansmithee posted:Also here dudes gush about albums all the time. Not sure if you remember but for awhile it was even a joke that every new album that came out would have people saying AOTY! or whatever. yeah, this. alansmithee posted:Also if dudes can be allowed to talk about how much they enjoy stuff, why can't people also be allowed to say how much they didn't enjoy something? they absolutely are, but that's not what i'm talking about. they usually don't just say 'i didn't enjoy this', they specifically make fun of the people who enjoyed things too much without waiting for the designated amount of time. alansmithee posted:And as for being a classic, I don't see anything wrong with that being a designation based at least in part on time. Seeing if things hold up past your initial opinion, what kind of impact, etc have is all important. Not every great album has to be a classic. It doesn't make those albums any less good-there's albums I'd even say are "better" than some that I think are classics but aren't classics themselves. and i completely agree here. those people screaming 'aoty!' are usually just describing a great album. not a classic. but i'm still trying to figure out why people care so much that something someone called 'aoty' or 'classic' only turned out to be great. it's weird.
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Oct 22, 2017 10:35
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also, drat is a classic.
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Oct 22, 2017 10:37
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GoldfishStew posted:Lol yeah we are discussing classic albums and you dropping names of never-wills. Lil B has more influence on this generation than most artists will. Also, sometimes you can tell when something is a classic. First time I played “Hell Hath No Fury,” I knew I was listening to something different. Protect Lil B At All Costs.
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Oct 22, 2017 13:05
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GoldfishStew posted:Jesus Christ he really does ape the gently caress out of me it’s insane. I’m seriously on y’all’s mute because you believed some joke post that I hosed dolls? So loving whack. Actually I think people muted you because your internet moral outrage over rap music is tiring and you're irredeemably bitchmade
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Oct 22, 2017 15:10
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You have to embrace GoldfishStew
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Oct 22, 2017 15:49
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Marching Powder posted:That wasn't the point, the point was good kid maad city is pretty much a classic here and now and no one, not even kendrick, was prepared to come out and say it at the time. that's loving weird, and points to something that is pervasive in all rap I mean i think that's pervasive in everything? And it's not weird at all, in the same quote in the video Kendrick says it takes time to see if something's a classic. People don't want to be wrong, so they want to see how stuff develops. And honestly I'd think (at least in terms of professional reviewers) you'd want to be ahead of the curve in pumping something up, so you'd be more willing to have big opinions about stuff, not deflate things. It's not like reviewers who were down on stuff that is in hindsight considered great aren't dragged. I guess I'd counter by saying why are some folks so hung up on the word "classic"? Like pitchfork gave the album a rating reserved for things named classic/album of the year type stuff. All this year there's been only one album over 9.0 (ironically, another Kendrick album, drat which got a 9.2). Does it make GKMC any less enjoyable for dudes not saying it's a classic immediately, especially when they're otherwise gushing over it endlessly? Or for a more recent example, is Flower Boy any worse because people aren't calling it a classic? Like it's really just an arbitrary distinction. And dudes like discussing stuff. Some folks think it's goofy to see every average release get called classic (that's hyperbole, btw). The same reason dudes feel the need to say something's a classic in a public forum is the same reason folks feel the need to dispute it. That said, in general I at least prefer seeing people excited about poo poo just because I love music and it's cool for folks to really get into stuff, even if I may not enjoy it.
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Oct 22, 2017 15:51
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Boywhiz88 posted:Lil B has more influence on this generation than most artists will. Also, sometimes you can tell when something is a classic. First time I played “Hell Hath No Fury,” I knew I was listening to something different. Ok but lil b does not have a classic album.
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Oct 22, 2017 17:34
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GoldfishStew posted:Ok but lil b does not have a classic album. Lmao
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Oct 22, 2017 17:41
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Quantum of Phallus posted:You have to embrace GoldfishStew Lol gently caress no Protect lil b at all costs
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Oct 22, 2017 18:09
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IDK if I'd call it a CLASSIC but 6 Kiss is close anyways.
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Oct 22, 2017 18:16
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Yawn ok what is lil b’s illmatic do tell
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Oct 22, 2017 18:16
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succ posted:Lil B got stomped out and SGP put a curse on a bunch of people over Twitter and you all are effort posting about old albums. Smh i hate to defend gfs here but discussing albums is literally what this thread is for while gawking about someone getting jumped is what tmz is for
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Oct 22, 2017 18:45
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lil b doesn't have a classic, he has a movement. lil b crying after getting punched was the realest poo poo I've ever seen in hiphop. legendary poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQolV7BOk temple fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Oct 22, 2017 18:51
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temple posted:lil b doesn't have a classic, he has a movement.
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Oct 22, 2017 18:53
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motherfuckers forgetting about Blue Flame Red Flame and of course Evil red flame
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Oct 22, 2017 18:55
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Yeah, sorry, no, white flame and pink flame are both classics. Trapped in basedworld as well. And many others.
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Oct 22, 2017 18:59
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I tried to give Savage Mode another go cause everyone loves it but I think its just not for me. edit - I also agree that TLOP is a classic, at least version 1.0. I have that on my phone, Its way better than the version on spotify.
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Oct 22, 2017 20:04
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i hate to defend gfs here but discussing albums is literally what this thread is for while gawking about someone getting jumped is what tmz is for https://twitter.com/Vamp4200/status/921942230214107137
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Oct 22, 2017 21:05
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GKMC is 5 years old today and that's absolutely a classic. I don't think anyone would even argue that it isn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2cOmWGZd8
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Oct 22, 2017 21:17
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:GKMC is 5 years old today and that's absolutely a classic. I don't think anyone would even argue that it isn't. Every time I'm in the street, I hear— YAWK! YAWK! YAWK! YAWK!
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Oct 22, 2017 21:26
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bows1 posted:Every time I'm in the street, I hear— DJs always play that before shows and people always go mental
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Oct 22, 2017 22:05
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Crumbletron posted:DJs always play that before shows and people always go mental
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Oct 22, 2017 22:23
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Also I'm about to see Geostorm and it was literally just in a trailer (for Den of Thieves) before that 
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Oct 22, 2017 22:32
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Crumbletron posted:DJs always play that before shows and people always go mental I’m guilty of doing this but gently caress it, like you said people go nuts.
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Oct 22, 2017 23:57
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alansmithee posted:People don't want to be wrong, so they want to see how stuff develops. i guess this is the crux of it, and for professional reviewers i guess it's a legitimate concern, but i think it's strange to fear giving something too high a praise instead of too little. but for everyday folk though, i think it's kind of ludicrous. at the end of the day alansmithee posted:That said, in general I at least prefer seeing people excited about poo poo just because I love music and it's cool for folks to really get into stuff, even if I may not enjoy it. this is where i land. i'd much rather people give something too much praise. it's cool to see people enjoying themselves. cheers for the perspective. i found it an interesting topic.
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Oct 23, 2017 00:06
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MrSargent posted:I’m guilty of doing this but gently caress it, like you said people go nuts. who doesn't
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Btw that fader article got Fantano’s speaking tour cancelled. Lmao
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