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the rest of it is indefensible but diePod is a pretty good pun That's how I guessed the episode wasn't made in the last ten years and I was right.
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Oct 22, 2017 12:55
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well why not posted:I don't think I'd call Family Guy's animation particularly lazy, they do go to pretty extreme lengths when they do their action sequences. When it's just two people talking, yeah, there's not a lot going on, but it's no worse than any other show. The highs are higher. I hate the show, but it's animation isn't that bad. Most of the action scenes in Family Guy are badly animated, by the standards of an action scene. They're over the top but they still have the same rigidness and lack of life that plagues the show the rest of the time. Back in the old days something like the first two seasons of the Simpsons had some pretty awful problems with characters going hopelessly off-model or not being colored properly or even missing chunks of their body since they straight up forgot to draw them in. However the show had a lot of action, fludity and elasticity in characters movements, even in little things, and that's so important in anything animated and Family Guy sorely lacks that, look at this scene for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6Lz0rzGX8 Or this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rsk1quUps0 I simply could not imagine Family Guy doing something with that much verve. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Oct 22, 2017 18:43
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:the rest of it is indefensible but diePod is a pretty good pun
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Oct 22, 2017 19:03
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khwarezm posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rsk1quUps0 That hatch gets me every time.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:12
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I had legit forgotten the simpsons could be this funny
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Oct 22, 2017 19:12
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The watchdog of human safety... Can there be any lower form of life?
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Oct 22, 2017 19:15
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I enjoy the resignation in his voice when he says "oh very well, it's time for your bribe".
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Oct 22, 2017 19:38
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54 40 or gently caress posted:I’m remembering the one joke where it’s like a movie trailer about a soccer mummy and at one point they say “oh no, he’s getting a boner!” And then you hear a ripping, and as a kid I felt it was the first time that I felt like a joke really didn’t fit within the general feel of the show and i found it more gross than funny "Go, Soccer Mummy! You taught me to believe in myself!" I though the boner joke was funny. But I saw it for the first time a few years ago, and it was better than alot of Simpsons in comparison. 
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Oct 22, 2017 20:05
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I haven’t watched a modern Simpsons in maybe ten years or so and I just saw the “Dancing Gay Horse” clip and it was so awful. It’s like there’s so many different wrong things it becomes a incomprehensible Gordian Knot of bad.
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Oct 22, 2017 20:56
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Yeah they’d make the characters all springy and flexible to give them more character or do subtle things with them like draw their eyes ever so slightly bigger to make them look naive/vacant or with bigger mouths for comedic effect Now it’s all stiff poser models with no character or creativity
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Oct 22, 2017 22:17
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khwarezm posted:Most of the action scenes in Family Guy are badly animated, by the standards of an action scene. They're over the top but they still have the same rigidness and lack of life that plagues the show the rest of the time. yeah i wouldnt say that the family guy fight scenes are well animated so much as well choreographed. theyre definitely a little too visually noisy and go on for waaaay too long (i hate long fights in most movies anyway) but theyre at least more interesting to watch than the prancing pony.
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Oct 23, 2017 00:55
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Calaveron posted:Yeah they’d make the characters all springy and flexible to give them more character or do subtle things with them like draw their eyes ever so slightly bigger to make them look naive/vacant or with bigger mouths for comedic effect Yeah and the thing is it’s really hard to explain unless you’re really into animation or an animator it just “doesn’t feel like a cartoon”
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Oct 23, 2017 02:22
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Three-Phase posted:Yeah and the thing is it’s really hard to explain unless you’re really into animation or an animator it just “doesn’t feel like a cartoon” Something I'd suggest people do, in the Shinning clip I posted look at Homer's eye movements after he slams open the door and as he walks towards Marge. There are some really important subtle elements there like the way his eyes widen or squint to emphasis what he's saying and his mental state.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:27
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The words you people are looking for are "body language" and that's true. Maybe modern animators don't know body language because they don't interact with other people anymore. 
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Oct 23, 2017 02:29
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Police Automaton posted:The words you people are looking for are "body language" and that's true. Maybe modern animators don't know body language because they don't interact with other people anymore. We do, the trouble is that most of the more famous prime-time animated properties on TV right now don't actually put much resources into the animation itself. Especially for small scenes. I hate to keep harshing on Family Guy but you can see a lot of the short-cuts there that tend to denote quick and cheap animation. Characters standing ramrod straight (and most characters having the same stance, I really hate that in particular since it's more a failure of character design rather than animation necessarily), extremely limited movement where only the mouth actually moves most of the time and other times they use the same few stock motions and gestures so the audience doesn't get too disconnected from the characters. Flat framing of the scene (how many times have you watched a Seth Macfarlane show and its just two characters standing staring blankly straight at each other, both at 3/4 view on exactly the same level talking to each other and doing nothing else? Its pretty bad, I know this is a comic rather than animation but Coelasquid has a good write up on why you should avoid this like the plague). Movement feeling feeble and disconnected because only a small part of the body (like the arms) is actually moving and everything else remains totally static (again, look at some of the simpsons clips I posted, especially for the more dramatic stuff the character's entire body will be completely redrawn everytime to help give that sense of unified movement). A general lack of variety when it come to things like lighting, perspective or camera movement. To be fair, every show does the above to some degree or another, including old Simpson, and I'd be more willing to forgive it since animation is hard, but something like Family Guy, American Dad or current Simpsons are massive, flagship shows for Fox with huge budgets but by and large they just don't bother that much with the animation compared to everything else and I also think you can see from some of the clips I posted that it used to matter a lot more in the Simpsons back in the day even though it had the same rough audience. Weirdly kid's cartoons often look a lot better nowadays and avoid a lot of the stuff listed above despite the less discerning audience, hate on Steven Universe all you like but it has a very high standard of animation compared to most TV shows. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 02:56
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once you notice how much time characters conversing in FG stand around blankly listening MAYBE blinking when they're not the actual ones talking you'll never not notice it
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Oct 23, 2017 03:04
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The show is also full of endless establishing shots and exposition. Also the classic character-falling-down shot that uses as few frames as possible then lingers on the character not moving at all. I had a theory that when Fox bought Family Guy back there was some agreement to animate as cheaply as possible.
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Oct 23, 2017 03:12
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:The show is also full of endless establishing shots and exposition. Also the classic character-falling-down shot that uses as few frames as possible then lingers on the character not moving at all. In the commentaries for the first couple of seasons of the Family Guy DVD's, they mention a specific "tongue thing" that was a set mouth image that got used out of a series of different static mouth-types. They pointed it out because it was easy to spot, and it was hard to unsee it afterwards.
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Oct 23, 2017 03:31
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I think the Maude dies episode was when I actually gave up on the show. Not even trying to imitate Maude's voice/character, jerkass Homer, and a gag about Ned's horse cock (... why?) made it pretty clear the writers had open contempt for the show and its audience.
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Oct 23, 2017 03:54
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Probably already posted forever ago, but it's not like the simpsons are above reusing material.
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Oct 23, 2017 04:20
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Treehouse of Horror was disappointing. If you're gonna do a Coraline tribute, the CGI needs to be a lot better than it was. The segment where Homer starts eating himself was pretttttttty hosed up though.
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Oct 23, 2017 05:46
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PostNouveau posted:Treehouse of Horror was disappointing. If you're gonna do a Coraline tribute, the CGI needs to be a lot better than it was. The segment where Homer starts eating himself was pretttttttty hosed up though. Agreed 10000%. I could barely fuckin watch homer eating himself. What the hell
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Oct 23, 2017 05:52
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Police Automaton posted:The words you people are looking for are "body language" and that's true. Maybe modern animators don't know body language because they don't interact with other people anymore. Settle down, Miyazaki
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Oct 23, 2017 06:17
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Oct 23, 2017 06:51
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This one infuriates me. I get being cheap on the day to day animation, but why not spend a bit of money on the intro?
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Oct 23, 2017 07:58
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The furling and unfurling of marges hair compared to the modern jerk from right to left is really disheartening. I got a question for modern simpsons watchers, do the simpsons still go to church? It really feels like an anarchism in the old episodes.
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Oct 23, 2017 08:06
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'lisa masturbates'
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Oct 23, 2017 08:26
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Is Robo-Marge some kind of a season-long story arc?
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Oct 23, 2017 08:29
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PostNouveau posted:Treehouse of Horror was disappointing. If you're gonna do a Coraline tribute, the CGI needs to be a lot better than it was. The segment where Homer starts eating himself was pretttttttty hosed up though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMgsWyB3-xA
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Oct 23, 2017 08:36
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I miss how 'bouncy' everything used to be. Look at marge's hair in that comparison. It windmills around like it's another entity. The modern version just looks like a stiff hat.
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Oct 23, 2017 09:52
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SelenicMartian posted:Is Robo-Marge some kind of a season-long story arc? 
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Oct 23, 2017 09:59
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Police Automaton posted:The words you people are looking for are "body language" and that's true. Maybe modern animators don't know body language because they don't interact with other people anymore. No joke, this is why Hayao Miyazaki hates anime. He straight up said it’s made by shut ins who don’t actually watch or interact with humans and modern animation is stiff and lifeless because of it Arcsquad12 posted:Settle down, Miyazaki You get it 54 40 or fuck fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 13:52
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There was some kind of documentary on Fox yesterday, because they didn't get the 4:25 Football game, about Homer at the Bat, and how Homer is now in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Did anyone watch that? I decided to watch a rerun of The Love Boat instead.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:11
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Youtube served this up to me the other day and despite it being from some dude who seems to mostly talk about anime, I thought it did a good job at both explaining why the Simpsons used to be good and why its lowest point is essentially ongoing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFNbCcyFkk
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Oct 23, 2017 14:17
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ReidRansom posted:Youtube served this up to me the other day and despite it being from some dude who seems to mostly talk about anime, I thought it did a good job at both explaining why the Simpsons used to be good and why its lowest point is essentially ongoing. I'm torn about recommending this. On the one hand, it's a brilliant and unemotional analysis of how it all went so wrong. On the other, I'm so goddamn sad now.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:05
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Olaf The Stout posted:I got a question for modern simpsons watchers, do the simpsons still go to church? It really feels like an anarchism in the old episodes. Do you mean anachronism? Those old episodes with religious overtones (going to hell for stealing cable, Bart selling his soul) were weird and uncomfortable to European audiences, but they were still better than what we have now.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:53
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do Europeans think it's ok to steal cable and sell your soul?
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Oct 23, 2017 16:27
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Olaf The Stout posted:I got a question for modern simpsons watchers, do the simpsons still go to church? It really feels like an anarchism in the old episodes. Yes, but more frequently Rev. Lovejoy will just appear somewhere so he can interject one lame joke into a group discussion.
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Oct 23, 2017 16:34
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well why not posted:I miss how 'bouncy' everything used to be. Look at marge's hair in that comparison. It windmills around like it's another entity. The modern version just looks like a stiff hat. Iron Crowned posted:There was some kind of documentary on Fox yesterday, because they didn't get the 4:25 Football game, about Homer at the Bat, and how Homer is now in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Did anyone watch that? I decided to watch a rerun of The Love Boat instead. granted, if they were gonna do a documentary on any Simpsons episode, it should be that one
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