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Gio posted:advocation of violence and restrictions of free speech is not limited to fascism. That's correct, also liberal progressives like me, when confronted with terrible, terrible assholes wanting to commit genocide and cultural cleansing 
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Imagine advocating for absolute free speech in a capitalist society ahahahaha
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Oct 24, 2017 00:08
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noted fascist bootlicker glenn greenwald agrees with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lODMZ0cf6bI
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Oct 24, 2017 00:14
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Stale Saltines posted:Imagine advocating for absolute free speech in a capitalist society ahahahaha the dominant power structure is always going to have undue influece over speech and shaping societal norms and values, whether it’s capitalists, neoliberals, or whatever-ideology-the-autocrats-support. i dont think restricions on hate speech are the worst given how repulsive and antithetical fascist ideologies are to ideas of freedom, equality, and democracy, but i also think restrictions set a dangerous precedent that could easily lead to restricting speech i support, or, at the very least, speech i unequivocally do not think should be restricted (e.g. communists). i also don’t see how my belief means i also support capitalism, but whatever. 
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Oct 24, 2017 01:15
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Gio posted:noted fascist bootlicker glenn greenwald agrees with me. Wait, are you saying that greenwald isn't a fascist apologist? He's basically whataboutism personified. 
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Oct 24, 2017 01:40
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Trump Brand Addiction Treatment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHu3S8z_FcY
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Oct 24, 2017 01:55
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Wait, are you saying that greenwald isn't a fascist apologist? He's basically whataboutism personified. wait, are you going to seriously argue he is, or are you incapable of drawing a distinction between supporting an idea and supporting people’s right to express an idea? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93_PDoSJESs
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Oct 24, 2017 01:58
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Gio posted:wait, are you going to seriously argue he is, or are you incapable of drawing a distinction between supporting an idea and supporting people’s right to express an idea? Look, that's the past. It's time to move forward. Take the pledge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnGyzy3qIJ4
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Oct 24, 2017 02:06
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https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/922639910149939200 if you believe in debate with nazis, it's because you think that you're open to the nazi changing your mind
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Oct 24, 2017 03:40
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We should give government power to censor certain groups whose opinions aren't good. This can only end well because we are ruled by benevolent godkings whose opinions perfectly match with me.
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Oct 24, 2017 05:11
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https://twitter.com/joeprince___/status/922579776698830851 https://twitter.com/joeprince___/status/922581780322029568
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throw to first drat IT posted:We should give government power to censor certain groups whose opinions aren't good. This can only end well because we are ruled by benevolent godkings whose opinions perfectly match with me. Genocide and white supremacy: merely opinions, you guys. 
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Oct 24, 2017 06:15
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Gio posted:restricting speech of fascists and advocating violence against them is a terrible loving precedent. A tolerant civil society is actually not obliged to tolerate intolerance. It is wrong for us to tolerate intolerance. This is the same reason that we allow people to act violently in self-defense, this is the same reason that it is moral to lie when a nazi asks if there are Jews hiding in your attic. Nazism, racial supremacy, and other forms of fascism are an existential threat to peaceful people everywhere. Tolerating intolerance is a mistake that can lead to genocide. It is important that you understand this, if you did not learn this in civics class. 
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Oct 24, 2017 06:43
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Can't we allow the freedom of speech where people can express their horrific genocidal views, thus outing themselves so society itself (employers, etc.) can take measures to ostracise and destroy them for it?  I mean I'd much rather we know who this guy is and can make note not to give him anything, and make fun of him - than if he was quietly arrested for advocating white supremacy. (I'm trying really hard to avoid the phrase "social punishment" and I'm not sure why.) I just kinda wish we had more American style free speech here in the UK, where people can get imprisoned for hate speech. The slope does get a bit slippery sometimes. Obviously you need harrassment laws to stop things being pushed too far, but...it's a tricky line.
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Nar, its better that these people don't have a platform and an air of legitimacy. Australia's hate speech laws work, they don't stop people being racist but they force the groups to organise in private or anonymously online and therefore they are a much more fringe element then the rallies that are being organised in the US. We don't let self proclaimed Nazis spew poison the same way we won't let radical Islamic clerics speak to impressionable young minds. Somehow our hate speech laws havnt been taken over by a evil, radical government which seems to been the main American argument against doing something. Anyway, punch Nazis. Watch the historical documentary Inglourious Basterds for other creative ideas. 
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Oct 24, 2017 09:56
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throw to first drat IT posted:We should give government power to censor certain groups whose opinions aren't good. This can only end well because we are ruled by benevolent godkings whose opinions perfectly match with me. 1. The argument whether the government should step in and actively write laws is different from the argument that violence is a good countermeasure towards fascism (which it is). 2. Anti hate speech laws don't target specific groups, but symbols and phrases which support genocide and racism. "Does your speech support genocide and racism" is a pretty good litmus test, i'm having a hard time seeing how it can be misconstrued to block something progressive. Do you believe that the state of Germany has free speech? 
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Everyone's smug friend from university. Pic:
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Oct 24, 2017 14:21
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 it's almost as if "globalist" means something other than its literal definition in this context....what could it be....
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Oct 24, 2017 14:39
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VagueRant posted:Can't we allow the freedom of speech where people can express their horrific genocidal views, thus outing themselves so society itself (employers, etc.) can take measures to ostracise and destroy them for it? To which I say:
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VideoGameVet posted:To which I say: Hitler didn't actually say that, though. It's from a French historian who paraphrased a part of a speech he gave in 1933 and in the process left out some interesting context: quote:Only one danger could have jeopardised this development – if our adversaries had understood its principle, established a clear understanding of our ideas, and not offered any resistance. Or, alternatively, if they had from the first day annihilated with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement. So he actually said that the Nazi movement flourished because it managed to hit that sweet spot between "not enough pushback" and "just enough pushback to make it seem interesting to outsiders". I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your notion, mind, it just irks me when so-called historicals "facts" are thrown around willy-nilly  
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System Metternich posted:Hitler didn't actually say that, though. It's from a French historian who paraphrased a part of a speech he gave in 1933 and in the process left out some interesting context: So ignore, with our click-driven media is not even remotely possible ... or beat them down. Therefore: 
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I’m embarrassed to have read Book of the Subgenius back in middle school twenty years ago   
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https://twitter.com/Cryptoterra/status/922964502026391552 I call the orb
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I’m embarrassed to have read Book of the Subgenius back in middle school twenty years ago who the heck is that woman what is she going on about 
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Jesus Christ.  https://twitter.com/zandravandra/status/920625853356216320
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Deceitful Penguin posted:who the heck is that woman The Union does not disappear merely by temporarily having no member nations. 
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i ate cashews (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Deceitful Penguin posted:who the heck is that woman Church of the Subgenius personality, and liberal bullshit, respectively 
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