Hamshot posted:

It's almost like they're first and foremost warriors and their sculpt is not tailored for your fetish desires

Signal posted:

It's not an objectification thing, I don't think. I kinda agree with Ilor in that the proportions seem a bit off for "human," not just for "female." Besides, you're defending a group of models wearing combat heels. ;p

Ilor posted:

I would actually turn that around, and assert that their exaggerated leg-length, exaggerated high-heel boots, exposed midriffs, crazy-fly-away hair, and thigh-high gartered stockings are more tailored to fetishes and less towards, you know, actual combat. So no, they're not "first and foremost warriors."

Hamshot posted:

I agree. They should have longer legs to shorter torsos, prettier faces, bound feet like my waifu narrower feet and more girly feminine realistic poses but I also think they shouldn't have high heels because I'm just so fuckin' progressive.

Signal posted:

Wow, you're a delight. More that the muscle bulk on their arms is nothing compared to their core, which doesn't seem appropriate for a bunch of people trained in hand to hand combat. I kinda love the skull-faces, and have no desire to see them be "prettier," but the hair is kinda stupid. I also don't like the design of most of the weapons, and the bare midriffs on everyone is ridiculous. I'm also not a big fan of GW's proportions in general though.

Hamshot posted:

Truly the pendulum has swung! You are in fact progressive and not an rear end in a top hat like the guy who earlier described them as having weird potato faces and looking ugly for women!

Ilor posted:

Try again. I don't care if they're not Helen of Troy beauties, but I at least want the features to read as recognizably human. FWIW, half of GW's unhelmeted Space Marines have potato-faces too, it's not just limited to their women. Gwendoline Christie (the actress who portrays Brienne of Tarth in the GOT series) isn't a "classic beauty" in that role, but she's instantly recognizable as female. The aforementioned Ronda Rousey looks tough-as-gently caress, but you can tell she's both female and human at a glance.

Hamshot posted:

If the goalposts have moved back and now its SUDDENLY the entire gw range why start on the first feminine models with some muscle on them and not said this about other models they've made?

Hamshot posted:

If the goalposts have moved back and now its SUDDENLY the entire gw range why start on the first feminine models with some muscle on them and not said this about other models they've made?

Signal posted:

Has GW even made any other female models since the 90's Sisters? In an era where other companies can make male and female models that read as human, why do you feel the need to defend to the death the idea that disliking these specific sculpts can only be ascribed to misogyny? How disproportionate would they have to be for you to acknowledge that they're not good sculpts?

Ilor posted:

Dude, I don't know if you've not been paying attention or you just joined or what, but I've been bitching about GW model proportions for literally years. I think the AoS minis are particularly egregious for bad proportions (like how the Stormstorming Stormstormers had ridiculously tiny heads if that ridiculous helmet crest is removed, or how all the Bloodmurder Murderblooders are almost wider than they are tall and have absurdly big feet). Pay your to get search and look for yourself, I am not shy in my criticism. This is nothing new, so if you're just joining the party, welcome to GW's lovely sculpting.

FWIW, I've always thought the old Eschers were largely trash too, but then again I never particularly liked Goliath or Delaque either. Hope that helps.

TTerrible posted:

Hamshot posted:

This is literally the first time I've heard a GW model being described as "weird and lumpy" and having a "potato face".

Texmo posted:

I think the rest of the models look fine for sweaty muscle fightwomen, but their boots look awkwardly large and the kitten heels are stupid.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They make sense to me in that Escher are about presentation. Not sexually in this incarnation (originally they were straight from a 80's Madonna video), but still eye-catching appearance as a form of violence. Wearing slightly stylised boots to go to war in fits entirely with their fashion as aggression philosophy.

glitchkrieg posted:

I dug out some of my NM minis last night while hunting for a particular mini - originals, 3rd party and conversions.

loving Hell I think the scale creep is going to be horrible. Still, it means the new batch won't be able to claim anything more than light cover

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

"Lazy" isn't a very good criticism on its own. Why is it lazy? It looks pretty cool to me. And there's nothing inherently wrong with CAD sculpting.

berzerkmonkey posted:

The FW tank? No, that looks terrible and lazy. They took a bunch of existing CAD designs and cut them up and pasted them together in a very poor way. It's bad.

JcDent posted:

Why are there 39 posts in the dead bloodbowl thre- oh.

I like the calavera make-up that I will never be able to paint, I like the bare midriff armor, I don't like the way said midriffs look girlfriend explained to me that that's how female athletes look with Serena Williams as a GIS example, the poses are kinda odd, I think the models are kinda busy, but I'm already set on buying NM when it comes out, and posting post human proxies as an unrealistic female proportions example is disingenuous when they're robits according to fluff, the only good GW female face is on Celestine, new Space Marines alway make the older ones look weird and plumpy...

There, I made my poop.

berzerkmonkey posted:

The FW tank? No, that looks terrible and lazy. They took a bunch of existing CAD designs and cut them up and pasted them together in a very poor way. It's bad.

ijyt posted:

Ah, the classic "my opinion is in fact fact" goon approach.

bonds0097 posted:

I think it looks awesome and massive and distinctively 'Primaris' with the stupid grav/hover bullshit.

berzerkmonkey posted:

They literally smashed together parts of other existing SM models, it's painfully obvious, and it's not an opinion to say so - it's an observation. If you like it, more power to you, but it is a legitimately bad model.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

And I disagree with you.

JcDent posted:

Why are there 39 posts in the dead bloodbowl thre- oh.

I like the calavera make-up that I will never be able to paint, I like the bare midriff armor, I don't like the way said midriffs look girlfriend explained to me that that's how female athletes look with Serena Williams as a GIS example, the poses are kinda odd, I think the models are kinda busy, but I'm already set on buying NM when it comes out, and posting post human proxies as an unrealistic female proportions example is disingenuous when they're robits according to fluff, the only good GW female face is on Celestine, new Space Marines alway make the older ones look weird and plumpy...

There, I made my poop.