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Why do people care whether something is cgi or a model/puppet. As long as it looks good, who cares how the magic works?
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Oct 25, 2017 06:45
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starkebn posted:Why do people care whether something is cgi or a model/puppet. As long as it looks good, who cares how the magic works? Fetishization. It’s a badge of honor to do it with practical effects. A dumb one.
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Oct 25, 2017 06:58
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starkebn posted:Why do people care whether something is cgi or a model/puppet. As long as it looks good, who cares how the magic works?
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Oct 25, 2017 07:12
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starkebn posted:Why do people care whether something is cgi or a model/puppet. As long as it looks good, who cares how the magic works? Basically that CGI looks worse than puppets and fully CGI sets/characters make it harder for actors, although CGI's finally getting good enough at this point that it looks completely real and the first point doesn't hold up.
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Oct 25, 2017 08:22
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Anyway has anyone seen that compilation of Mark Hamill casually making GBS threads on episode 8 across a bunch of different interviews? I think he's finally reaching that age where you lose all shame and it's great.
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Oct 25, 2017 08:25
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starkebn posted:Why do people care whether something is cgi or a model/puppet. As long as it looks good, who cares how the magic works? Because practical effects rule and take a ton of effort to get right on the set. Doesn't mean all CGI doesn't, but after watching films where people hurl CGI at you with things that could've been practical, it's a breath of fresh air. The best way to do it is to marry the two. Use both tools to create the perfect effect.
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Oct 25, 2017 11:36
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Anyway has anyone seen that compilation of Mark Hamill casually making GBS threads on episode 8 across a bunch of different interviews? I think he's finally reaching that age where you lose all shame and it's great. What's the TL;DR?
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Oct 25, 2017 12:28
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Jose Oquendo posted:What's the TL;DR? Over the summer, Hamill said that when he first read the script, he then called Johnson and said, "I fundamentally disagree with everything you've done with this character." A week or two later, presumably after Disney threatened a hit on his family, he walked it back and said, "Oh, once Rian and I talked about it and he explained everything, I understood. The movie is great, everyone will love it."
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Oct 25, 2017 13:24
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Timby posted:Over the summer, Hamill said that when he first read the script, he then called Johnson and said, "I fundamentally disagree with everything you've done with this character." And that's how Art gets made, kids!
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Oct 25, 2017 13:32
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Timby posted:Over the summer, Hamill said that when he first read the script, he then called Johnson and said, "I fundamentally disagree with everything you've done with this character." That's great. If Johnson wrote a script that pissed off Mark Hamill, I'd consider it a good thing.
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Oct 25, 2017 14:12
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Luke turns to the Dark Side confirmed.
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Oct 25, 2017 14:34
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Jose Oquendo posted:That's great. If Johnson wrote a script that pissed off Mark Hamill, I'd consider it a good thing. Yeah, considering this is the guy who thought it’d be a novel idea for Luke to turn dark at the end of RotJ (even going so far to suggest that Luke don Vader’s helmet to signify that) it’s probably a good thing that Rian wrote something that conflicts with his idealized version of the character. Remember, actors having creative control isn’t always something to strive for, that’s how we got dune buggy Picard in Star Trek Nemesis. 
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Oct 25, 2017 14:46
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Mark has followed up by saying that he's not a writer, and that his ideas for Luke in TFA were also dumb. The porgs are gonna be puppets sometimes and CG sometimes. As I recall, the fully rolling RC BB8 was finally completed and working at the end of filming so that video clip from Celebration is more or less its debut, but they said they were going to use it where possible in VIII
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Oct 25, 2017 14:56
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Anyway has anyone seen that compilation of Mark Hamill casually making GBS threads on episode 8 across a bunch of different interviews? I think he's finally reaching that age where you lose all shame and it's great. Yeah dude we've all seen it so don't bother posting a link or anything, it's cool.
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Oct 25, 2017 15:02
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[quote="Cross-Section" post=""477724024"] Remember, actors having creative control isn’t always something to strive for, that’s how we got dune buggy Picard in Star Trek Nemesis. [/quote] Stewart's creative control was at its peak on First Contact and especially Insurrection. Nemesis is on Brent Spiner, as he demanded the same level of control Stewart had on Insurrection as a condition for doing the movie.
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Oct 25, 2017 15:09
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sebzilla posted:Yeah dude we've all seen it so don't bother posting a link or anything, it's cool. In all fairness there are like 5 star wars threads on SA and it's been posted in a couple of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0IR6fJlV0
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Oct 25, 2017 15:12
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I like it. He's got absolute job security so he can say whatever the hell he wants and he's clearly invested in the story enough to say what he doesn't like. I'd much prefer this than watching actors squirm in interviews trying to talk about the complexities of the characters or story when often it isn't there.
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Oct 25, 2017 15:34
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Yeah he's basically the senior-most professor in the department that has had tenure for years and always finds a couple minutes at meetings to sardonically but uselessly comment on the subject at hand edit: you definitely get the feeling that as the last member of the Big 3 he feels entitled/obligated to represent the original generation and also channel to sass of Harrison and Carrie Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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Oct 25, 2017 15:52
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Mameluke posted:In 15 years we'll be effortposting on r/cinemadiscusso about how most actual 12 year old Star Wars fans like Porgs, and it's only jaded neckbeard fans of the prequels that hate them. It's true. 8 year olds already fuckin love Porgs.
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Oct 25, 2017 16:07
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They’re the adult form of midichlorians
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Oct 25, 2017 16:51
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Cross-Section posted:Remember, actors having creative control isn’t always something to strive for, that’s how we got dune buggy Picard in Star Trek Nemesis. Literally the only interesting part of that movie.
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Oct 25, 2017 16:56
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The negative reaction to Porgs is pretty surprising. We have no idea how involved in the movie they are, at this point. I think it's highly likely they're just cute little animals that show up here and there, and marketing is running with it because they're cute. Like, unless they end up being the key to bringing down Snoke, who could possibly give a poo poo in a negative way right now? People hating on Ewoks is already silly, but at least they're angry at them being integral to the plot, bringing down the Empire, which is at least a thing. With Porgs, there's nothing to be mad about yet.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:20
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Porgs aren't going to be Jar Jar. They don't speak, for one.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:28
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thrawn527 posted:The negative reaction to Porgs is pretty surprising. We have no idea how involved in the movie they are, at this point. I think it's highly likely they're just cute little animals that show up here and there, and marketing is running with it because they're cute. Like, unless they end up being the key to bringing down Snoke, who could possibly give a poo poo in a negative way right now? Ewoks are cool because they fuckin killed people.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:36
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thrawn527 posted:The negative reaction to Porgs is pretty surprising. We have no idea how involved in the movie they are, at this point. I think it's highly likely they're just cute little animals that show up here and there, and marketing is running with it because they're cute. Like, unless they end up being the key to bringing down Snoke, who could possibly give a poo poo in a negative way right now? theyre ugly
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Oct 25, 2017 19:52
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cuntman.net posted:theyre ugly don't make them less cute
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Oct 25, 2017 21:06
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Mark Hamill believes that Chris "Wing Commander and Star Citizen" Roberts is a talented storyteller and likes working with him so maybe his opinions on Episode 8 aren't automatically correct.
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Oct 25, 2017 21:37
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thrawn527 posted:People hating on Ewoks is already silly, but at least they're angry at them being integral to the plot, bringing down the Empire, which is at least a thing. Haha no, the hate has always been because they're cute muppets. You know, for kids!
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Oct 25, 2017 21:38
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Stupid people thinking Star Wars should be for kids
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Oct 25, 2017 22:32
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Jeb! Repetition posted:although CGI's finally getting good enough at this point that it looks completely real and the first point doesn't hold up. They've said that since there's been CGI and it still looks wrong. How much money did they spend on CGI Tarkin in R1? lol
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Oct 26, 2017 04:03
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spacetoaster posted:They've said that since there's been CGI and it still looks wrong. Either too much or not enough.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:07
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thrawn527 posted:The negative reaction to Porgs is pretty surprising. We have no idea how involved in the movie they are, at this point. I think it's highly likely they're just cute little animals that show up here and there, and marketing is running with it because they're cute. Like, unless they end up being the key to bringing down Snoke, who could possibly give a poo poo in a negative way right now? it's weird that you think it's just a happy accident that marketing is rolling with the fact that tlj has new very cute and marketable mascots
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Oct 26, 2017 05:05
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cuntman.net posted:theyre ugly 
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Oct 26, 2017 05:13
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How I learned to stop worrying and love the porg. 
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Oct 26, 2017 06:40
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Ewoks are cool because they fuckin killed people. The best part of RotJ is when they launch their surprise attack and arrow a storm trooper right in the back and you see him lying there dead. Ewoks are not cute. If you saw one in real life with its gross matted fur and bone jewelry you prob think it had rabies and kick it in the face and run away. Tl;dr ewoks rule
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Oct 26, 2017 07:24
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thrawn527 posted:The negative reaction to Porgs is pretty surprising. We have no idea how involved in the movie they are, at this point. I think it's highly likely they're just cute little animals that show up here and there, and marketing is running with it because they're cute. Like, unless they end up being the key to bringing down Snoke, who could possibly give a poo poo in a negative way right now? Well yeah, this is kind of why people are soured on them and do the faux-Porg worship (except me, I actually love Porgs). They got revealed early on, I think in a behind the scenes clip, and they're so obviously created to be something cute and marketable. They are perhaps the most transparent part of Star Wars so far that exists solely, to borrow words from the best wiki on the Internet, To Sell Toys. Star Wars has always been a vehicle to sell toys and make money from tie-in merch crap, but Porgs are absolutely the most obvious attempt to do so and everything about them reeks of a calculated plan to do so, at that.
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Oct 26, 2017 10:24
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Porg is a funnier character than we've done before
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Oct 26, 2017 15:46
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Lucas made ewoks because he wanted to have the Viet Cong fight the Evil Empire. And they don't do as good a job as everyone remembers, they get several fun/cool kills in but they just as often get smushed. Chewie commandeering a walker is the only way the fight is able to wrap. The franchise fatigue is coming from inside the movie in Return of the Jedi. Also the matte paintings are bizarrely noticeable. When Disney announced an Episode every two years I wondered if that was enough time for one of these movies to percolate, but honestly, it's probably better than forcing all these kids to commit for a few more years and just be absolutely over it, visibly looking toward their next projects off camera in the final film. If that trailer porg is a stowaway that ends up hanging out with Chewie for the final act of the film everyone is gonna be mad as heck
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Oct 26, 2017 16:22
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banned from Starbucks posted:The best part of RotJ is when they launch their surprise attack and arrow a storm trooper right in the back and you see him lying there dead. There's definitely something to the idea that people hate Ewoks and Jar Jar and so on because they're intolerable and it's not 'supposed to be' like that.
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Oct 26, 2017 16:28
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I liked Ewoks when I was a kid. I didn't know I was supposed to hate them until I became a man.
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Oct 26, 2017 16:44
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