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I didn't want to vote for labour and the lib Dems were my only other option. I'd have voted green but they stood no candidate in my constituency. My only options were Tory, ukip,bnp and national front
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i remember the gbs election 2010 thread & it was libdems as far as the eye can see
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Oct 25, 2017 10:21
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2010-2015 should be a memorable lesson in the deepest and most fundamental truth about politics: it is a team sport, and there is the good guys team and the bad guys team and that is it. Turning your back on the good guys because some third-party dipshit promises you the moon is always a mistake and always has bad consequences. The only thing more despicable and solipsistic is the 'protest vote.' Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, stick with the good guys team through thick and thin.
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Oct 25, 2017 11:05
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lol look at the drop for the Lib Dems immediately after the 2010 election and everyone realised they'd been shafted (another 2010 Lib Dem here) (also the graph runs right to left for some fuckin' reason) 
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Oct 25, 2017 11:08
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what was the libdem stance on the Iraq war
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hakimashou posted:2010-2015 should be a memorable lesson in the deepest and most fundamental truth about politics: it is a team sport, and there is the good guys team and the bad guys team and that is it. ok but what about when there are objectively no good guys(i,e tony blair parks his evil rear end in the good guy chair)
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bump_fn posted:what was the libdem stance on the Iraq war They were the largest party to oppose it, which did get them a lot of good will. But then they sacked the leader responsible for that stance because he was an alcoholic and thus the gradual rightward drift of the Lib Dems began. Under Charles Kennedy the Lib Dems were to the left of Labour (more an indictment of how Blair took Labour into centre right territory but still), and Kennedy was one of the Lib Dem MPs most vigorously against the coalition deal behind the scenes. I still have a lot of fondness for Kennedy, as opposed to any other Lib Dem who I view with severe suspicion & contempt.
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Oct 25, 2017 11:37
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MikeCrotch posted:They're not a nazi just a terrible liberal blowhard liberal democrat’s for the win! defeat voldemort may
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Oct 25, 2017 11:48
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forkboy84 posted:They were the largest party to oppose it, which did get them a lot of good will. But then they sacked the leader responsible for that stance because he was an alcoholic and thus the gradual rightward drift of the Lib Dems began. Under Charles Kennedy the Lib Dems were to the left of Labour (more an indictment of how Blair took Labour into centre right territory but still), and Kennedy was one of the Lib Dem MPs most vigorously against the coalition deal behind the scenes. I still have a lot of fondness for Kennedy, as opposed to any other Lib Dem who I view with severe suspicion & contempt. thats disappointing their anti-iraq stance seemed like their best quality also isnt everyone here an alcoholic
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Oct 25, 2017 12:07
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Charles Kennedy was a good man.
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I voted lib dem in 2015 because I thought they would be able to prevent attacks on civil liberties in a coalition which I thought was guaranteed because nobody forecasted the con majority. It was my first election I could vote in and I didn't really understand things like the bedroom tax at the time. Also Milliband's policies seemed to just be slightly watered down versions of what the tories were offering. At the last election I voted labour in an SNP/LD marginal and have joined the party since.
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Oct 25, 2017 13:20
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forkboy84 posted:Under Charles Kennedy the Lib Dems were to the left of Labour (more an indictment of how Blair took Labour into centre right territory but still) And the impression that they were an actual left alternative to Labour outlasted Kennedy, even with an Orange Booker like Clegg in charge. I remember seeing a bunch of Lib Dem members (I think it was at their 2009 conference) asked to rank their party alongside Labour and the Tories from left to right, and they consistently put themselves far to the left of Labour lol
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Oct 25, 2017 13:36
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i've always lived in solid labour constituencies so my vote is meaningless anyway
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Oct 25, 2017 13:40
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whats an orange booker is that like the orange order 
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Oct 25, 2017 13:50
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Jose posted:i've always lived in solid labour constituencies so my vote is meaningless anyway Do you have a parachuted in Blairite
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Oct 25, 2017 14:18
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my mp is a tory it’s vfucjed up
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MikeCrotch posted:Do you have a parachuted in Blairite no originally it was a catholic who hates gay people and now its the chief whip who my mam hates so much shes said she wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire lol
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Oct 25, 2017 14:30
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bump_fn posted:whats an orange booker is that like the orange order Basically the more economically liberal wing of the lib dems. Based off this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book:_Reclaiming_Liberalism
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bump_fn posted:whats an orange booker is that like the orange order The orange book was a kind of pro-market manifesto from the economic liberals on the right of the party (it was formed as a merger of a social democratic and a liberal party) and Clegg and pals were contributors to it.
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Shikantaza posted:I voted lib dem in 2015 because I thought they would be able to prevent attacks on civil liberties in a coalition which I thought was guaranteed because nobody forecasted the con majority. It was my first election I could vote in and I didn't really understand things like the bedroom tax at the time. Also Milliband's policies seemed to just be slightly watered down versions of what the tories were offering. At the last election I voted labour in an SNP/LD marginal and have joined the party since. Suddenly I understand why people don't want 16 year olds to get the vote because how do you vote for the party that were in government, failed to moderate the Tories all that much, hosed the poor quite eagerly, and look at them like "hmmm yes, I can't vote for Labour as their leader is offering watered down versions of the Tory manifesto so I'll vote for the people who literally just spent 5 years doing what the Tories wanted? This is why I hate the Lib Dems every bit as much as Tories and possibly a little more.
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the harshest indictment of libdems is that jk rowling is one and supported them in the election
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so how about all those nasty old posts they found from that labour mp guy cant wait until a goon runs for office somewhere "the candidate, known online as Dong Jesus, reportedly responded to a post containing several gruesome photoshoped images of the 9/11 attacks with a single lol"
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Oct 25, 2017 16:48
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hakimashou posted:2010-2015 should be a memorable lesson in the deepest and most fundamental truth about politics: it is a team sport, and there is the good guys team and the bad guys team and that is it. lol gently caress off. Voting Lib Dem in 2010 when I could have voted SNP was a mistake, but I don’t regret abandoning Labour over Iraq. They deserved it. I might vote Labour again some day if they stop being pro Brexit. Barry Foster posted:Charles Kennedy was a good man. Also this.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:35
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i thought labour's position on brexit was that as democratic socialists they have to accept the will of the people as determined through a referendum like should they just ignore the referendum?
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bump_fn posted:i thought labour's position on brexit was that as democratic socialists they have to accept the will of the people as determined through a referendum That is their position (although Labour at the minute are not DemSocs by any stretch of the imagination) seriously the referendum should just be ignored though, it's a case of when/if that becomes politically viable that's the tricky part
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i voted lib dem in 2010 because my seat was safe labour and i figured a bigger vote share would put a little bit more weight behind voting reform lol
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bump_fn posted:i thought labour's position on brexit was that as democratic socialists they have to accept the will of the people as determined through a referendum Ideally. I can understand why that position is a good choice in terms of being electable, since the majority of voters are xenophobic idiots. But as much as I like Corbyn I can’t bring myself to vote for a party that won’t oppose Brexit, when I have the option to vote SNP instead. The SNP aren’t as left wing as I would like but they are anti-Brexit and anti-Tory.
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babypolis posted:so how about all those nasty old posts they found from that labour mp guy *points to exhibit 4-a, a picture of giant hulk hogan legdropping a tower*
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bump_fn posted:the harshest indictment of libdems is that jk rowling is one and supported them in the election i like how fast she changed her anti-tory tune when corbyn started rising
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Jose posted:i've always lived in solid labour constituencies so my vote is meaningless anyway this kind of thought is how the u.s got trump and you guys got brexit oh he'll never win, i don't have to vote oops
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Yinlock posted:this kind of thought is how the u.s got trump Our system of getting a prime minister is less stupid than theirs of getting a president even counting ours involves a monarch.
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Yinlock posted:this kind of thought is how the u.s got trump and you guys got brexit i did vote but the labour candidate got 67% of the vote here in the election this year and has had 1 non-labour MP since WW2
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Oct 25, 2017 18:02
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I voted lib dem in this election then TUSC in this one lol 
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Yinlock posted:this kind of thought is how the u.s got trump and you guys got brexit As a canadian, I'd have thought you would have understood how parliamentary systems and safe seats work.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:06
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half of britain voted against brexit and if labour came out against brexit they would see a massive boost but corbyn will never see this because he hates the eu lol
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prime minister tim farron
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So, wait. Corbyn is PRO-brexit? Can he just say "poo poo's dumb, we're not doing it" if he becomes PM?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So, wait. Corbyn is PRO-brexit? Can he just say "poo poo's dumb, we're not doing it" if he becomes PM? He respects the result of the referendum and is saying that the Tories are loving up the negotiations, which is the only politically sane position. Technically he could reverse it if he gets in before the deadline, but that seems kind of unlikely as of now.
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Cerebral Bore posted:He respects the result of the referendum and is saying that the Tories are loving up the negotiations, which is the only politically sane position. Technically he could reverse it if he gets in before the deadline, but that seems kind of unlikely as of now. And should he do so it would, barring some incredible statesmanship/maneuvering on his part, almost certainly bring down any Labour government that had gotten into power.
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