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corbyn expresses no official position but tacitly approves, in line with british hard left old guard despising the eu, which is why labour didn’t campaign very hard for a stay vote most people in labour understand the damaging consequences of leaving but still want to go through with it for some reason, leading to poo poo like this “yeah we’re kind of against brexit but not really guys!”
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And should he do so it would, barring some incredible statesmanship/maneuvering on his part, almost certainly bring down any Labour government that had gotten into power. if may can say gently caress off to like three political gaffes that used to bring down prime ministers so can jeremy bloody corbyn
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Yeah, realistically the best you can hope for is a soft Brexit, which does seem to be what Labour is angling for.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:corbyn expresses no official position but tacitly approves, in line with british hard left old guard despising the eu, which is why labour didn’t campaign very hard for a stay vote is this some "liberal guy very mad that actually competent and realistic people are in charge"-tantrum or what?
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Cerebral Bore posted:is this some "liberal guy very mad that actually competent and realistic people are in charge"-tantrum or what? so you think labour have done everything in their power to prevent the worst referendum outcome possible for britain by far or what
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Oct 25, 2017 19:43
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:so you think labour have done everything in their power to prevent the worst referendum outcome possible for britain by far or what no, the blairites spent the year before the ref trying to stab Jezza
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Oct 25, 2017 19:46
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Cerebral Bore posted:no, the blairites spent the year before the ref trying to stab Jezza well maybe now that the blairites are not in power you can grow some balls and tell jezza brexit is bad
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Oct 25, 2017 19:48
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What would happen if whoever the ruling party is decided to stop Brexit? Would the EU exact some form of punishment on the UK in exchange for letting them stay? Would they try to kick them out anyway to make an example of them?
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alsothere posted:What would happen if whoever the ruling party is decided to stop Brexit? Would the EU exact some form of punishment on the UK in exchange for letting them stay? Would they try to kick them out anyway to make an example of them? Ideally? Nigel Farage would be hurled into a bog. No idea about the international reaction.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:well maybe now that the blairites are not in power you can grow some balls and tell jezza brexit is bad actually the first step is to ignore the opinions of your lot, so sorry, no can do
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Oct 25, 2017 20:49
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remember when chuka umunna said that britain had to leave the single market to end freedom of movement of people immediately after the referendum lol
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alsothere posted:What would happen if whoever the ruling party is decided to stop Brexit? Would the EU exact some form of punishment on the UK in exchange for letting them stay? Would they try to kick them out anyway to make an example of them? No one truly knows. Be assured that many people have Opinions.
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Oct 25, 2017 20:56
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getting rid of dacre and murdoch and the barclay brothers and desmond violently would be insanely ftw
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alsothere posted:What would happen if whoever the ruling party is decided to stop Brexit? Would the EU exact some form of punishment on the UK in exchange for letting them stay? Would they try to kick them out anyway to make an example of them? No one really knows tbh. I suspect that the EU wouldn't try to kick us out because they don't really want the UK to leave. maybe they'd extract some concessions from us for all the bother?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:so you think labour have done everything in their power to prevent the worst referendum outcome possible for britain by far or what I mean they haven't urged for a revolution from below to overthrow the Brexiteer capitalists so no, they haven't done everything they could have. Shame that but here we are. Jose posted:remember when chuka umunna said that britain had to leave the single market to end freedom of movement of people immediately after the referendum lol The bold pro EU leader Labour needs! A man of principles!
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I want to be extremely racist every time I post something about him
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The Stop Brexit At All Costs brand of liberals just need to be realistic and pragmatic right now, they do no favours to those of us who want to win the next election.
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While Chuka's fall from the British Obama to two-bit shitstirrer is extremely funny, he's still not at the very bottom of pond scum, which remains the domain of people like Hilary Benn and Jess Phillips and everybody who identifies as Blairite. Still should be deselected though.TomViolence posted:The Stop Brexit At All Costs brand of liberals just need to be realistic and pragmatic right now, they do no favours to those of us who want to win the next election. Actually following in the footsteps of the lib dems is sure to bring massive electoral dividends any day now.
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Yinlock posted:ok but what about when there are objectively no good guys(i,e tony blair parks his evil rear end in the good guy chair) That king of thinking got you david cameron, seven years of tories, and the brexit. You have to stick with your team through thick and thin not just through thick.
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Oct 25, 2017 21:52
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marktheando posted:lol gently caress off. Voting Lib Dem in 2010 when I could have voted SNP was a mistake, but I don’t regret abandoning Labour over Iraq. They deserved it. I might vote Labour again some day if they stop being pro Brexit. What about all the people whose lives the tories have ruined or made worse, do they deserve it too? Because thats what you vote for when you dont vote for labour.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:half of britain voted against brexit and if labour came out against brexit they would see a massive boost but corbyn will never see this because he hates the eu lol well its not like the eu is doing greece any favors
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:half of britain voted against brexit and if labour came out against brexit they would see a massive boost but corbyn will never see this because he hates the eu lol Well, I can see you're quite the expert on what the British electorate wants: Bulgogi Hoagie posted:corbyn is going to get rear end-hosed because he is an uncompromising marxist and it turns out you have to be flexible on a lot of issues to be liked by dozens of millions enough to be voted into power Oh here comes another brilliant political strategist: hakimashou posted:That king of thinking got you david cameron, seven years of tories, and the brexit. You have to stick with your team through thick and thin not just through thick. What a fascinating position. I see you've been advocating it consistently: hakimashou posted:He should have stepped down when David Cameron did, immediately after the brexit referendum went the way it did. As leaders, he and Cameron both had a responsibility to guide their people away from that decision, and failing to do it meant they had both failed as leaders. Helsing has issued a correction as of 22:10 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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hakimashou has learned that to really rile goons up you support genocide and people dying but also never post about israel or palestine because that gets you probated
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Oct 25, 2017 22:40
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hakimashou posted:What about all the people whose lives the tories have ruined or made worse, do they deserve it too? Because thats what you vote for when you dont vote for labour. That kind of thinking is how Blairism happens. And anyway when I don’t vote for Labour I vote SNP in a Labour/SNP marginal so either way the Tories aren’t helped.
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marktheando posted:That kind of thinking is how Blairism happens. People seemed pretty frightened that there would be a labour/SNP "coalition of chaos" where the separatist SNP held the balance of power in parliament in 2015. The SNP is another example of third parties being bad for the country. Your kind of thinking is how 2010-present happens, with all the tragic consequences it has brought. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 23:12 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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Helsing posted:Well, I can see you're quite the expert on what the British electorate wants: I don't get it, Labour can switch leaders and still be the Labour party can't it? It's happened many times before, no?
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hakimashou posted:People seemed pretty frightened that there would be a labour/SNP coalition where the SNP held the balance of power in parliament in 2015. The SNP is another example of third parties being bad for the country. An Ed Milliband labour government controlled by Nicola Sturgeon would be a good thing though.
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marktheando posted:An Ed Milliband labour government controlled by Nicola Sturgeon would be a good thing though. I’d quite like an Ed Miliband government controlled by Ed Miliband tbh.
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Oct 25, 2017 23:16
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On Her Majesty's Bacon Sandwich
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tarbrush posted:I’d quite like an Ed Miliband government controlled by Ed Miliband tbh. That would also be acceptable.
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marktheando posted:An Ed Milliband labour government controlled by Nicola Sturgeon would be a good thing though. An Ed government backed by Sturgeon would be milquetoast as gently caress. Better than May but hardly good.
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marktheando posted:An Ed Milliband labour government controlled by Nicola Sturgeon would be a good thing though. The brexit referendum failing would have been a good thing too but alas.
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hakimashou posted:I don't get it, Labour can switch leaders and still be the Labour party can't it? It's happened many times before, no? You don't seem to think Labour should care about its current membership either: hakimashou posted:One of the rhetorical tricks that corbynistas think is clever is to claim he's popular and a winner because he won the leadership elections. So when you advocate supporting the team, your definition of "the team" doesn't include what either the current leadership advocates or what the actual membership wants? Here are some more valuable insights that show what a smart and cagey political analyst you've been regarding what would actually appeal to the British electorate: hakimashou posted:J-corbz is seriously gonna lose I think. And he's been a serious liability for like a year now. hakimashou posted:
hakimashou posted:Under better leadership and with a more centrist orientation the Labour party has a chance of forming a government and holding a majority in parliament but the lib dems don't. hakimashou posted:Yeah miliband had a problem that was separate from any policy, his goofy gumpy looking face. I remember 2 years ago watching the leaders' debates and he would just stare directly into the camera with his eyes all big and googly to 'directly address the viewer' and it made your skin crawl.
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"T May on the other hand has a real visage. She looks like she should be prime minister. She always looks very alert and earnest and capable and formidable. "
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HUMILIATION FOR LOSER CLEGG
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