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The important thing is that we have to be super nice to poor white heroin addicts. And keep their supply coming while trying to fight their terrible addiction. As opposed to just busting down their doors with tanks.
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Shbobdb posted:The important thing is that we have to be super nice to poor white heroin addicts. And keep their supply coming while trying to fight their terrible addiction. Treating drug addiction like a criminal offense is counter productive and cruel. Yes I know what you're referring to and the crack crisis of the eighties was criminally mismanaged.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:11
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As much as it pains me to admit it seeing that I'm 35, anyone born from 1980 and up is considered a "millenial". So yeah death to all late millennials I guess?
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Oct 26, 2017 04:15
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Snowman_McK posted:This is it in a nutshell. There was a video addressing the idea that he's the 'warmonger' candidate, and it played brief clips of him saying 'Libya is a disaster' or 'Syria is a disaster' same with Iraq and, weirdly, the Balkans. The thing is, he doesn't give any indication of why. Are we not doing enough? Are we doing too much? Are we too ruthless? Too soft? Whatever you think the problem is, it lets you draw your own conclusion about what he is saying the solution is. This in particular isn't a Trump thing though. Pretty much every Republican criticism of Obama's foreign policy was to call it a disaster and then offer one of three alternatives: 1.) Bomb everything! 2.) Basically exactly what Obama was doing already but with more frowning and chest beating that will make things work somehow because it's now a big manly conservative doing it. 3. *crickets* Trump was absolutely on the party line, just being Trump when he actually offered one of the first two he sounded more like a RWM listener than a RWM host.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:17
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FizFashizzle posted:Treating drug addiction like a criminal offense is counter productive and cruel. Funny how we always learn those lessons when bad things happen to white people and then unlearn them again when brown people start having them.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:19
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Lol congratulate the president of China on his big win? He grabbed 5 more years of rule (that will no doubt be extended indefinitely) and solidified his position as dictator of the country via a rubber stamp Parliament or whatever the hell it's called in China. Of course Trump would consider that a big victory, he'd do the same thing if he could. Or at least he hasn't yet.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:21
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Charliegrs posted:Lol congratulate the president of China on his big win? He grabbed 5 more years of rule (that will no doubt be extended indefinitely) and solidified his position as dictator of the country via a rubber stamp Parliament or whatever the hell it's called in China. You incorrectly assume that Trump has even the slightest idea on how China's politics work. He thinks there were elections.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:22
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Charliegrs posted:Lol congratulate the president of China on his big win? He grabbed 5 more years of rule (that will no doubt be extended indefinitely) and solidified his position as dictator of the country via a rubber stamp Parliament or whatever the hell it's called in China. Do you know how China works?  Xi will step down in 5 years Dude, Clinton/Bush/Obama are totally going to grab power *this time!*
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Oct 26, 2017 04:23
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Oct 26, 2017 04:23
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Killer robot posted:This in particular isn't a Trump thing though. Pretty much every Republican criticism of Obama's foreign policy was to call it a disaster and then offer one of three alternatives: I know it's a general thing in politics, too. I mean, you need to sound good to the broadest possible number of people, and not everyone can do the Obama thing where he can actually completely switch modes between rooms, or even sentences. I just rarely saw it so blatantly as with Trump, where he never offered something that even sounded like a workable solution.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:24
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Charliegrs posted:Lol congratulate the president of China on his big win? He grabbed 5 more years of rule (that will no doubt be extended indefinitely) and solidified his position as dictator of the country via a rubber stamp Parliament or whatever the hell it's called in China. I though China appoints it's leaders based on whatever the urgent nation building thing is in the eyes of the Communist party. For example in the 80's it was engineers, now it's bankers and financial experts. I'm also pretty sure President isn't even his official title but General Secretary of Central Committee of the Communist Party of China aka the only legal party. Trump also seems ill equipped to handle the yoke of a virtually uncontested Xi and China. Like if he wants to start a trade war with them fine, but the United States is in loving chaos right now and I'm pretty sure Xi knows exactly what he wants to do and has the mandate for it. Kale fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Oct 26, 2017 04:27
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Data Graham posted:I don't know if it's more alarming that he thinks "the opioid" is because of Mexico, or that he thinks it has to do with why we pay so much more for prescription drugs in the US than in Canada. Prescription drugs = drugs drug cartel = drugs They are they same thing because Trump thinks literally.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:29
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It was loving bullshit when Bush started shifting money to faith based groups, but this is even bigger bullshit. Our separation of church and state has been hosed up for so long, and it's just getting worse.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:31
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Snowman_McK posted:I know it's a general thing in politics, too. I mean, you need to sound good to the broadest possible number of people, and not everyone can do the Obama thing where he can actually completely switch modes between rooms, or even sentences. I just rarely saw it so blatantly as with Trump, where he never offered something that even sounded like a workable solution. That's true. Also it was so noticeable with Trump because he did the same thing with all sorts of domestic policies where Republicans usually have a clear message. So you got earnest "Trump is totally gonna be for big infrastructure works, LGBT rights, and anti-corruption initiatives" things from people who would never have said that about Cruz or Jeb.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:32
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Data Graham posted:I don't know if it's more alarming that he thinks "the opioid" is because of Mexico, or that he thinks it has to do with why we pay so much more for prescription drugs in the US than in Canada. you're trying too hard to suss out a coherent narrative here. it's just free association. he starts talking about canadian prescription drugs. then somewhere in his brain mush "prescription drugs" connects to "opioid crisis," so he rambles on about that for a few sentences. and while he's talking about the bad drugs that naturally connects to mexico so might as well mention the wall.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:33
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Jaxyon posted:Trump didn't deliver unified anything. He was barely coherent within sentences. You're confusing his personal ability and speeches with the overarching strength of the unified messaging. MAGA is loving effective as a slogan when you're selling childhood dreams. Don't confuse policy or positions with narrative. Trump delivered a coherent narrative of a return to a mythical America and a rejection of American elites. He found enough people desperate with their lives who were willing to go with the man telling them their base desires can be true rather than the people shilling complex solutions to inexact problems. This is a narrative that aligns very well with the Republican base of assorted bigots and wannabe captains of industry so I'm not arguing that this specific narrative is key to victory, but instead that having this kind of narrative at all is critical to even beginning to make headway.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:35
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I got yelled out of the room multiple times by people like Trab for saying that if you have a choice between a con-man promising you things you want and someone seriously offering advocating things you know are bad, it makes sense to go for the con-man. Even if everything else is obviously on the con-man.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:37
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Shbobdb posted:I got yelled out of the room multiple times by people like Trab for saying that if you have a choice between a con-man promising you things you want and someone seriously offering advocating things you know are bad, it makes sense to go for the con-man. Even if everything else is obviously on the con-man. 
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Oct 26, 2017 04:38
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HappyHippo posted:you're trying too hard to suss out a coherent narrative here. it's just free association. he starts talking about canadian prescription drugs. then somewhere in his brain mush "prescription drugs" connects to "opioid crisis," so he rambles on about that for a few sentences. and while he's talking about the bad drugs that naturally connects to mexico so might as well mention the wall. Drug prices are high so people buy cheaper illegal drugs leading to an opioid crisis. It's a dumb idea and his broken brain mangles it further but that's the story he's trying to tell.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:39
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What? You were a real piece of poo poo during the election. A real shrill for hill. And that's OK. You seemed to have reformed. But I'm OK with calling it out during a struggle session.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:40
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Honest to God, as a Christian and someone who interned with a faith based organization, I have no idea how they think faith based orgs have the resources and funding to tackle such a massive problem alone. A huge problem within service based ministries is that they are solely driven by a 'calling' and emphasize above all else, the ministry and religious side of the organization. I've found that a common theme is struggling with the business and logistical side. I guarantee you that a lot of communities are going to fall through the cracks, due to lack of efficiency.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:43
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Hastings posted:I guarantee you that a lot of communities are going to fall through the cracks, due to lack of efficiency. Yeah, that's kind of the point.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:45
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You should leave your garbage faith or at the very least not be involved with super toxic faith-based organizations.
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Hastings posted:Honest to God, as a Christian and someone who interned with a faith based organization, I have no idea how they think faith based orgs have the resources and funding to tackle such a massive problem alone.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:47
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Oct 26, 2017 04:48
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TyroneGoldstein posted:The messaging has been such that there's a cohort of disaffected (overwhelmingly white) lefties that get angry now at any sort nuance being expressed by other lefties. Have you considered that the reason "nobody [in power] is willing to fix that ailment" has some relation to the fact that we keep putting people like Booker in power who are unwilling to fix that ailment? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Oct 26, 2017 04:48
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Young Freud posted:The fact that he thinks the opioid epidemic is because of Mexico means he doesn't understand enough to actually stop it. The NJ Fatass is going to try again, but this time the limo route is going to be crazy so they don't pass any Taco Bells or other mexican restaurants.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:49
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Office Pig posted:Yeah, that's kind of the point. Yes, I know the GOP actively wants to kill as many people as possible, but most faith based orgs actually do want to help others. This is going to burden them immensely. My hope is that the locals get pissed as hell, turn on those ministering, and then the believers/workers fight back against the GOP for loving up their jobs. I know it is a pipe dream, but if there is one thing Christian and Repubs can both hate, it is someone loving up their flow of money.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:50
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Shbobdb posted:Funny how we always learn those lessons when bad things happen to white people and then unlearn them again when brown people start having them. The idea that drug addiction is being treated better now that the crisis is gripping more white populations is really only true in terms of rhetoric. More police officers, legislators and DAs certainly use progressive language about (white) heroin addicts, but in reality they continue to ramp up the War on Drugs. More states are passing laws to make selling, giving or even telling a person where to buy drugs first degree murder if they later overdose. The private prison industry is also expanding into "treatment centers" where addicts who haven't been convicted of a crime (or even arrested in certain states) can be involuntary committed. The War on Drugs is too profitable for them to allow it to end just because more white people are getting crushed under the wheels.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:51
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pkay posted:Time to start a faith based organization? It's a patronage based system. Not easy to break in and graft the system. You need a backlog of right wing bona fides.
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VitalSigns posted:Have you considered that the reason "nobody [in power] is willing to fix that ailment" has some relation to the fact that we keep putting people like Booker in power? Or maybe we have a system in place that really only allows people like Booker to get in power? This is like asking, why are so many professional athletes taking PED? The answer is pretty obvious even at face value.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:53
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Oct 26, 2017 04:56
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Charliegrs posted:As much as it pains me to admit it seeing that I'm 35, anyone born from 1980 and up is considered a "millenial". So yeah death to all late millennials I guess? Ok, in the name of compromise we shift the cut-off to 37.
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Oct 26, 2017 04:59
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Just death to a whole lot of people, frankly.
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Oct 26, 2017 05:00
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Hastings posted:Yes, I know the GOP actively wants to kill as many people as possible, but most faith based orgs actually do want to help others. This is going to burden them immensely. My hope is that the locals get pissed as hell, turn on those ministering, and then the believers/workers fight back against the GOP for loving up their jobs. I know it is a pipe dream, but if there is one thing Christian and Repubs can both hate, it is someone loving up their flow of money. You think that faith based funding flows gonna go to people who want to help? It's the gop dude.
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pkay posted:Or maybe we have a system in place that really only allows people like Booker to get in power? This is like asking, why are so many professional athletes taking PED? The answer is pretty obvious even at face value. Convincing people to vote to change the system is necessarily going to involve criticizing the ideology of the people that support the system, such as Cory Booker, so it's bizarre to use this as an argument against leftists.
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Oct 26, 2017 05:03
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Data Graham posted:I don't know if it's more alarming that he thinks "the opioid" is because of Mexico, or that he thinks it has to do with why we pay so much more for prescription drugs in the US than in Canada. Protip: Don't try to assign any kind of traditional logic to the thoughts or words of Donald Trump. This way madness lies.
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VitalSigns posted:Convincing people to vote to change the system is necessarily going to involve criticizing the ideology of the people that support the system, such as Cory Booker, so it's bizarre to use this as an argument against leftists. I totally don't think you understood what I was saying. Basically what you just said is 'the system is broken, I know we will just use this broken system to fix the broken system!'
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Oct 26, 2017 05:13
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Also I know how to fix the police brutality problem. All we have to do is let the police investigate themselves!
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pkay posted:I totally don't think you understood what I was saying. Basically what you just said is 'the system is broken, I know we will just use this broken system to fix the broken system!' I mean okay, if you're a committed bomb-throwing anarchist I'm not going to stand in your way. The bomb-throwing anarchists might be right about this. However when the person making this argument is not a revolutionary, and instead of throwing bricks he's white-knighting Cory Booker on the internet, then it's just disingenuous concern trolling.
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