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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Mind over Matter posted:

One hook character is already one too many.

Though I will admit that Roadhog would be interesting if only to try a hook character who isn't disgusting to have on screen.
Have you seen his belly button?

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Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

isn't the widowmaker nova skin basically just nova wearing a costume? why would any of the abilities change? widowmaker can't stealth or make clones and nova doesn't have a grappling hook. it still works.

it could just be stitches wearing a roadhog mask and raynor wearing the Grillmaster: 76 outfit and it would be perfectly fine

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
The only true Stitches theme is Sous Chef Stiches on a surfboard. :colbert:

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

No Wave posted:

It's certainly not that bad (in my experience). Just don't type anything ever that isn't like "boss then turn" and you'll be fine, the most common "toxic" thing about the game is people getting hyperdefensive and tilting immediately when you question their hero selection.
When I questioned a guy hovering zagara on Battlefield of Eternity when we already had a non-nazeebo specialist:

"lol he's been playing 4 months vs my 2 years and he's telling me how to play"
"And yet we're both gold 5, what's that say about you bro?"

Probably shouldn't have gone for his throat like that but he was asking for it.

Seebach
Jul 14, 2012

Kerrrrrrr posted:

isn't the widowmaker nova skin basically just nova wearing a costume? why would any of the abilities change? widowmaker can't stealth or make clones and nova doesn't have a grappling hook. it still works.

it could just be stitches wearing a roadhog mask and raynor wearing the Grillmaster: 76 outfit and it would be perfectly fine

Right. Giving them skins of those characters is okay.

They’re trying to justify that hog/76 don’t need to be in the game because they have overlapping characteristics gimmicks.

Morales should be reworked/removed because her caduceus reactor is just like muradins trait.

Zarya/Tassadar should be removed or reworked because they both have stream attacks and shield people.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Talmonis posted:

So just how toxic is Hero League? I've been playing QM since launch, and the occasional unranked, but I kinda want to go to the next level. My problem is if it's as bad as League of Legends where I'll be getting a constant rain of "UNINSTALL (insert racist/homophobic/antisemetic slur here)" I'll pass.

Just turn off allied chat unless you are playing with people you know

The draft screen has a draft chat to coordinate but in game you don't need to be typing, pings are enough

You will have a better mental game with chat off

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Seebach posted:

Right. Giving them skins of those characters is okay.

They’re trying to justify that hog/76 don’t need to be in the game because they have overlapping characteristics gimmicks.

Morales should be reworked/removed because her caduceus reactor is just like muradins trait.

Zarya/Tassadar should be removed or reworked because they both have stream attacks and shield people.

ah i see.

i don't know about morales/muradin or zarya/tassadar or even raynor/76 but i will agree that we probably don't need both roadhog and stitches in the same game. they're both descendants of the original Pudge archetype and i think one is enough.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Gobbeldygook posted:

When I questioned a guy hovering zagara on Battlefield of Eternity when we already had a non-nazeebo specialist:

"lol he's been playing 4 months vs my 2 years and he's telling me how to play"
"And yet we're both gold 5, what's that say about you bro?"

Probably shouldn't have gone for his throat like that but he was asking for it.

drat ya got him

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Seebach posted:

Morales should be reworked/removed because her caduceus reactor is just like muradins trait.

Yes please.

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Humanity's real enemy is me!
Hya hya foowah!
I just want Dreadlord, Warden, and Shadowhunter in this game so every Warcraft 3 hero is more-or-less represented

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Cephas posted:

I just want Dreadlord, Warden, and Shadowhunter in this game so every Warcraft 3 hero is more-or-less represented

You're missing Sea Witch and Pit Lord.

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



Nova shooting a sniper rifle: Ok
Widowmaker shooting a sniper rifle: Ok

Stitches healing by taking a bite out of an enemy: Ok
Stitches literally eating an enemy to take them out of the fight: Ok
Roadhog doing either of these things: what?

Kerrrrrrr posted:

isn't the widowmaker nova skin basically just nova wearing a costume? why would any of the abilities change? widowmaker can't stealth or make clones and nova doesn't have a grappling hook. it still works.

it could just be stitches wearing a roadhog mask and raynor wearing the Grillmaster: 76 outfit and it would be perfectly fine

I like this idea

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Doflamingo
Sep 20, 2006

It's totally fine to have some degree of overlap between heroes and even expected at this point I would say since we have over 70 of them with more on the way for a good long while. You don't see anyone bitching about Ken and Ryu in SF.

Doflamingo fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Oct 27, 2017

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

Doflamingo posted:

It's totally fine to have some degree of overlap between heroes and even expected at this point I would say since we have over 70 of them with more on the way for a good long while. You don't see anyone bitching about Ken and Ryu in SF.

Some degree of overlap is fine, but I'd rather new hero concepts explored than spend resources creating another raynor or stitches type hero just because it ticks off a "this is a character people like" checkbox.

unclenutzzy
Jun 6, 2007

Gobbeldygook posted:

When I questioned a guy hovering zagara on Battlefield of Eternity when we already had a non-nazeebo specialist:

"lol he's been playing 4 months vs my 2 years and he's telling me how to play"
"And yet we're both gold 5, what's that say about you bro?"

Probably shouldn't have gone for his throat like that but he was asking for it.

Who was the specialist that your team had picked?

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

I think comparing nova and widowmaker as both being snipers as analogous to Stitches and Roadhog both being notPudge is dumb. I think it's reasonable to ask whether having two hook characters makes sense, or if it would be annoying in a game that already has a lot of displacement.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

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I want to see Roadhog vore a tank or an orc, is that so much to ask.

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:

Bogart posted:

I want to see Roadhog vore a tank or an orc, is that so much to ask.

I hereby withdraw my desire to see Roadhog in game as of the above post.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

unclenutzzy posted:

Who was the specialist that your team had picked?
It was a while ago, so I'm not sure. It wasn't Sylv. I want to say it was Xul.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Fried Watermelon posted:

Just turn off allied chat unless you are playing with people you know

The draft screen has a draft chat to coordinate but in game you don't need to be typing, pings are enough

You will have a better mental game with chat off

If you play this game with chat off, you should go find a different game.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

I like hook mechanics but I think stitches is ugly and dumb. Where's the hero for me??

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
toshimo come to the appleby's in the next 20 minutes if you want an rear end kicking

Lawdog69
Nov 2, 2010
They should make reign of destructions 20 upgrade drop some infernos and poo poo instead of slowing, maybe then RoD would have a niche and the upgrade would be justifiable instead of it being reportable to pick it.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Ignite Memories posted:

I like hook mechanics but I think stitches is ugly and dumb. Where's the hero for me??

bikini stitches tho

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib

Ignite Memories posted:

I like hook mechanics but I think stitches is ugly and dumb. Where's the hero for me??

Sonya, you hook yourself towards people instead of the reverse.

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox
What are the general thoughts on Junkrat now that he's been out for a while? I think he could use a little tune-up. He's good at clearing minions, but if you're hitting minions you could be left low on frags if you have to do hero damage (and you're not getting quest stacks). He's squishy as hell but doesn't have the utility to make it worth it, or the escape mechanisms. I think Rocket Ride could be a little faster too so that you could actually chase people down with it, anyone with a dash ability can pretty easily get out of the way and leave you accomplishing nothing.

I dunno, it's weird because I feel like he's right on the verge of being good and sometimes I have games with him where I feel like a worthwhile addition to the team but I can't help feeling like he doesn't match up to similar characters.

tcjimbo
May 15, 2008

This is Jimbo!
Hey-hey, man!
We got this!
He's not bad. I got 100% outplayed in HL by a Junkrat. He was destroying my positioning with his mine whether it was to escape or to initiate a gank with someone else. I'm not going to buy him until he goes on sale but I think a good players could mop up with him.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Toshimo posted:

If you play this game with chat off, you should go find a different game.

no

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

They've already filled the sniper assassin class requirement to get 13 year old boys to play the game, no need for another one

Toshimo posted:

If you play this game with chat off, you should go find a different game.

nah

Seebach
Jul 14, 2012

Kerrrrrrr posted:

ah i see.

i don't know about morales/muradin or zarya/tassadar or even raynor/76 but i will agree that we probably don't need both roadhog and stitches in the same game. they're both descendants of the original Pudge archetype and i think one is enough.

and this is where you fall into the pit of objective wrongness.

Roadhog in HotS would be awesome.

Toshimo posted:

If you play this game with chat off, you should go find a different game.

I have it off because I have no desire to listen to a bunch of mouth breathers type at each other trying to lay blame at someone elses feet.

Seebach fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Oct 27, 2017

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Seebach posted:

and this is where you fall into the pit of objective wrongness.

Roadhog in HotS would be awesome.

hmmmmmmm

i'll admit you make a solid argument here

tcjimbo
May 15, 2008

This is Jimbo!
Hey-hey, man!
We got this!
People who don't play with chat/voice, please post your mmr.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

so this reminds of that time some guy playing Varian got really mad at me for being in his lane

it was on braxis, a two lane map, and i only went bot so that both lanes would have a ranged character




him and his pocket Morales were grouped, I can only assume that his relationship with his medic girlfriend (who never spoke) was in great peril from being in such close proximity with a sexy Valla

and this was in vs adept AI btw

most of the time the only chat in vs ai games is a :gg: at the end. but apparently even the :downs: games have salty chat once in a while

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

why on earth would anyone play vs ai?

tcjimbo posted:

People who don't play with chat/voice, please post your mmr.

nobody said anything about voice, pal

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

hawowanlawow posted:

why on earth would anyone play vs ai?


nobody said anything about voice, pal

This tells me all I need to know about you.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Toshimo posted:

This tells me all I need to know about you.

I think you may take this videogame too seriously, anime avatar guy

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
FWIW, belittling people who just want to chill and play AI games makes you a terrible garbage person nearly on the level of EdRush.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

I don't know who that is

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Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

hawowanlawow posted:

why on earth would anyone play vs ai?

cause it's fun :)

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